Put the latest primal ex back to DF

So im going to help my friend clear Thordan ex, Sephirot ex and Niddhog ex...
for some reason since update 3.4 that duties is moving to Raid Finder which is we must looking for ppls with same progression.
and god... it taking so long to queue.
so i pretty please ask please put them back to duty finder again.
its okay to put new primal like Sophia ex to RF but put other new primal on RF too is a bit inconvenience

thanks,


NB: my english is not good enough sorry >.<

Honestly no. I hope it doesn't change.

The ability to select ppl who have cleared the content over ppl who are still looking to clear is amazing. I've cleared Sophia 17 times through raid finder being able to weed out bonus peeps and peeps who've cleared it.

I would just like to a be able to queue multiple extreme raids at once.

When I'm bored, I'll like to select 5 extremes/raids and simulate my own duty roulette. With raid finder allowing only 1 queue at a time, I can no longer do that. ;;

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Originally Posted by heynowjose

Honestly no. I hope it doesn't change.

The ability to select ppl who have cleared the content over ppl who are still looking to clear is amazing. I've cleared Sophia 17 times through raid finder being able to weed out bonus peeps and peeps who've cleared it.

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Yup.. raid finder is always a one shot usually on sophia ex. I had some people join my thordan farm under duty complete and we couldn't start because someone had bonus. Now you can just lure them out with no problem.

The only problem I forsee with it being in Raid Finder is that eventually newbies wont have enough folks to queue with and queues will take forever and it will sit in Raid Finder until SE brings out the new hotness and THEN months too late it will go back into DF where all the newbies will flock to it and the people who have done it a million times will b*tch because they cant clear it anymore because too many new people.

Either way there's always going to be some one put out by the way its handled. I'd rather take it the way it is now though. Less yelling and screaming before even attempting it because someone tried to fly under the radar..

there is no reason for content as old as thordan to be in the raid finder, it seems silly. Nidhogg and Seph and Sophia ok fine.. they're a lot newer.

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Originally Posted by Youkulm

there is no reason for content as old as thordan to be in the raid finder, it seems silly. Nidhogg and Seph and Sophia ok fine.. they're a lot newer.

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It's probably because Thordan is the hardest primal this expansion by a great landslide. Even with echo nerfs, people can barely clear.

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Originally Posted by Aquaslash

It's probably because Thordan is the hardest primal this expansion by a great landslide. Even with echo nerfs, people can barely clear.

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This. Even in 240 gear, Thordan EX can easily wreck an inexperienced group with the sheer number of mechanics he throws at you.

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Originally Posted by Aquaslash

It's probably because Thordan is the hardest primal this expansion by a great landslide. Even with echo nerfs, people can barely clear.

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Ya, Thordan difficulty is the same as ultima

Here is the thing though, people are ONLY using the Raid Finder for Sophia Ex and no other primal. I have qued for Nidhogg (Duty Complete) repeatedly and no one even enters que. I feel they should put every Ex EXCEPT the current EX back into Duty Finder.

You can always make a PF and enter with a full group. No wait.

SE should just put them into DF and RF and everyone is happy srsly how hard can that be?

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Originally Posted by Airget

Ya, Thordan difficulty is the same as ultima

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Much harder, in my opinion. Ultima doesn't have many mechanics where you can kill each other, and the fight isn't nearly as long (I'm relating back to when it first came out, of course).

Raid Finder is the perfect place for this stuff, but I'll agree that having a way to queue for multiple duties in it would be a nice addition.

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Originally Posted by Sparktacus

Here is the thing though, people are ONLY using the Raid Finder for Sophia Ex and no other primal. I have qued for Nidhogg (Duty Complete) repeatedly and no one even enters que. I feel they should put every Ex EXCEPT the current EX back into Duty Finder.

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Agreed. There just aren't enough people queuing for the old primals to make it worth splitting players up like the Raid Finder does.
I'd rather have a bigger pool of players to draw from to get more runs in.

I myself got my Thordan bird from a DF run where four other players got their first clear. The DF worked just fine for outdated stuff.

Thordan was designed for people on A3S. For all intended purposes he's much closer to a raid turn than a primal gate.

The old raids (Gordias Savage and Midas Savage) have been moved to DF with only the current raid (Creator Savage) being in Raid Finder.
It is very old that the Ex Trials aren't following the same pattern.

I have waaaaay more trouble with sophia EX than any other EX fight, and found Thoradan/Ultima rather easy on their release.
Kinda interesting to see people here find it the reverse.

No. Use Party Finder.

From my experience i'm having no luck finding a nidhogg rage party on a system that is supposed to be designed to help me find one. I was hoping to try out and see what the practice thing was too. My overall thought process is that it can only be used for the most relevent content and only if you cleared it allready. The raid finder has not helped me at all to find people to learn these instances with. Midan savage and now nidhogg have all produced a timer of more than 30 min where as with df i at least got in to thordan and sephirot and overall cleared in the df cause i could actually get in. If this basically stays this way i'll have to use a different system to basically get in so i can actually experience the intended way it was designed and not the unsynched faceroll version. I overall agree with this post though idk how i can slove this issue as the experiences can be varied though.

If anything, they should put Ravana and Bismarck EX on RF as well. Wait until the Level cap riases and then put everything in DF while the new EXs and Raids get put on RF, rinse, repeat.

Absolutely no one uses the RF for the old Primals, literally only for Sophia.
I've queued up for the older Primals until RF hit the limit (999:59) and it was at 1/8 the entire time several times now.

Meanwhile, Ravana and Bismarck EX that are still in DF are frequently available.
So I stongly support having only the most recent Primal in RF and the others in DF.

Yes please. I had been farming Thordan and Sephirot EX before 3.4 and queues were pretty fast on DF, Sephirot more so than Thordan. I got my Thordan Lanner shortly before 3.4 and now I've tried multiple times to get into Sephirot EX and no dice. I've never been able to get into Seph since 3.4. Sophia has very fast queues though, but mostly for the duty completed. Practice parties in RF still has pretty long queues.

Well I think its less about those older trials being in RF and more of Sophia EX being instantly solo queue-able, remember we usually had to wait a while before the newest EX trails were even added for solo queues and only way was to PF a full party for it, this time however the EX trial was instantly added to "DF" aka RF so tons of people have been getting that down and almost completely ignoring the older trials. I think things will normal out by 3.5 especially when the bird collection mount comes out and/or they add the 99x tokens thing to rest of the bird mounts.

Using Raid FIdenr for first time is not ok. Using Party finder neithher.
YOu can see a lot of party fiders for Ex primals/Nidhoog, but all of them with the tag "No bonus or kick". That thing that this community loves a lot.

Right now, there is a heavy discrimination agains newies. And community in general is suporting this behaviour. I didn't see in ages a old ex trial down party (or even training). All of them with the damn "No bonus" thing.

If you try to make a party Fider to train/down by your own you will found no one will join. Birds and ponies were added to keep the primals relevant and let poeple join and still progress on them. But the community decides to get the damn "No bonus thing", and that's not the prupose. The purpose was make the content relevant for those who come later. But people is letting newies behind on purpose and didn't let them join for a clear.

Sorry, but the community is astill very selfish on this. And Yoshi.-P give them a "gun", the Raid Finder with possibility of filter people. I think should be removed. To the OP, you're asking changing the mentality of a selfish community. I wish you find a way to do it. Sorry if I am agressive with this, but is a thing that annoys me a lot.

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Originally Posted by Atoli

Absolutely no one uses the RF for the old Primals, literally only for Sophia.
I've queued up for the older Primals until RF hit the limit (999:59) and it was at 1/8 the entire time several times now.

Meanwhile, Ravana and Bismarck EX that are still in DF are frequently available.
So I stongly support having only the most recent Primal in RF and the others in DF.

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There's a reason Ravana and Bismarck are still popular right now. I'll give you a hint - it's not because they're in the Duty Finder.