this is really fustrating,
playing away minding my own business when i get booted off the server, then when i try toget back on my login que possition is 59.
when you make a character and select a server it should warn you when its at full capacity.
and it DEFINATLY shouldnt kick people off then shove them in a que, kick those people who are just standing there afk for more than an hour to make room for players!
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11-13-2011, 08:23 PMSecret_Reevelog in ques
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11-13-2011, 08:24 PMSecret_Reeve
my point being
the server should take into account players who afk for more than an hour and kick them from the server to make room for players who wish to get on and play. -
11-13-2011, 08:30 PMZenaku
It does there little chocobo on it :) the kicking thing wont work out what about people who sell while there AFK?
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11-13-2011, 08:32 PMAnswa
I'm assuming you mean queues. Two hours and maybe I'll consider it. But how do you determine who's actually afk? What if somebody is just staring at the /sh log, waiting for something interesting? You can't really distinguish between who's afk or not. But I get your frustration, even though I haven't lived it.
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11-13-2011, 08:39 PMyukikaze_yanagi
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11-13-2011, 08:42 PMZenakuThat one pretty cool but took to long for the end lolQuote:
Originally Posted by yukikaze_yanagi
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11-14-2011, 12:23 AMSecret_Reevemovement, chat log entries and menu interaction. if you dont engage in any of these 3 things the server should pick up on you being afk and boot you off after an hour.Quote:
Originally Posted by Answa
as for selling while afk, thats why you have retainers! they're full? tough, wait for something to sell or re-organise your retainer bazaar.
people standing there afk for hours upon hours during prime times forces players into log in queues which wouldnt be needed if people had a little common decency and logged out when not playing. -
11-14-2011, 12:27 AMAenarion
I didn't realize FF14 has log-in queues, or enough players to trigger it o_o
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11-14-2011, 12:35 AMVaer
The concept of retainers was probably developed from what they learned from XI. Many people would AFK in Rolanberry and get killed by a trained Simurgh, (lulz) and later on they would AFK in a part of Jeuno depending on server. They also realized that people have a ton of mules so they made them cost $1 each, (Same as an extra character in XI.) instead of the $3 per new character for XIV.
AFK detection is rather simple. Flag someone with the away icon if they are idle and don't do anything for about 10 minutes. All you have to do to remove the flag is move a little. If the away flag stays on for more than 15 minutes, boot them off. -
11-14-2011, 12:43 AMAenarionYes, because everyone wants to relog back in everytime after they take a shower, make some food, go out to the corner store/gas station, or any of the countless myriad of things that may take them away from the pc for 10-30 min.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vaer
yup, gonna be a really popular feature I bet. -
11-14-2011, 12:50 AMVaerYep, many other games have this same system, real popular.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aenarion
Another way to remove this problem, is to make the server code not awful. Btw, math indicates it will boot you off after 25 min in my example.
That's not to say I actually want a system like this in XIV, just one way it could be done if server queues become a problem. -
11-14-2011, 01:01 AMJennestiaThe server can't differentiate between someone who has no log interaction and someone who's just giving time for responses to what they said, for example if someone /shouts a party in forming or wanting to join, how would the game know the person is just waiting for replies or went afk? Logs are stored on your PC as well as the server, therefore there's always log interaction happening.Quote:
Originally Posted by Secret_Reeve
Same with movement, how do you know if someone decides to just stand/sit in one spot while /shouting versus someone who went afk?
That's the problem with kicking "afk" people from the game and why no MMO does it by default. FFXI had 10-30 minute threshold settable for when you're booted from game, but sometimes you have to afk for 10 minutes to do something around the house, why should the game kick you then and potentially prevent you from logging back in? -
11-14-2011, 01:04 AMDelsusDC Universe has this and its the most anoying part of the game, I go to the store, have to relog, I have some food, I hate to relog, I hate it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vaer
The problem will prolly go away with 2.0 when they have the new servers, I would say its a capacity issue on the popular servers like Besaid, Mysidia and Selb (i think there the biggest) -
11-14-2011, 01:14 AMUriko
Meanwhile on Saronia...
(I genuinely didn't know there were login queues until I saw this) -
11-14-2011, 01:16 AMJennestiaYep, it was more shown during Alpha and late beta phases and very early on (sept-oct).Quote:
Originally Posted by Uriko
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11-14-2011, 02:24 AMSecret_Reeve
if your not at your computer then you shouldnt be logged in, its relatively simple.
with the exception of making a snack/food/toilet ect. hence why i said for like an hour.
and the server can easily detect if your sending messages in chat/ls/shout/tell ect. if you dont move, dont sent a message or use your menu for an hour then you should be removed from the game PERIOD!
so you'd have to log back in, tough. staying logged in while your asleep isnt fair to players in different time zones who are forced to wait because the server is full.
if it was full of people who was actually playing then its a different story, but the server shouldnt have 5/10/15% of its capacity taken up by inactive players.
its a feature in games i appreciate because it means i can actually play in my own timezone.
as for limiting the new character creation on servers which can hit full capacity, the problem with that is you would end up with times of the day/night when the server population is so low that you cant do any of the party required content. -
11-14-2011, 03:59 AMDelsusWell FFXI didnt need this feature, people were logged in all day every day and there werent queues, it is a step back for every MMO that uses it, its not needed all they need is enough capacity and bandwidth for everyone, which is easy to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Secret_Reeve
No MMO needs this feature they need servers that can serve the amount of users that play. All the servers that have this feature, if every subscriber logged on at once they would blow up cos they cant cope. -
11-14-2011, 05:57 AMMuruganWe have multiple servers because not everyone can fit on one server for various reasons beyond even just the technical ones. So making them so "everyone can fit on one server" is not easy or really possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Delsus
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11-14-2011, 06:00 AMDelsusNever sugested everyone on one server, I was replying to the 15mins or gtfo our servers "feature"Quote:
Originally Posted by Murugan
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11-14-2011, 06:04 AMMuruganIf not everyone can fit on one server, obviously there is a limited number of people that can comfortably be on the same server. There is no 24/7 hour queue for Mysidia or Selbina. Every once and a while there is a queue because so many new people (and people from other servers) are creating characters on Selbina.Quote:
Originally Posted by Delsus
The queue encourages mostly brand new people to go to other servers, for the rest of the people it is a rare minor annoyance. I'd rather have it than lag everytime I go do anything not instanced. -
11-14-2011, 06:25 AMindira
they should kick people with no activity after a so much time has passed.
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11-14-2011, 07:51 AMAramyth
Kicking people from the server is annoying. If I want to afk, let me afk.
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11-14-2011, 09:34 AMviion
Ya kicking for AFK is just retarded. There are many reasons to AFK or why someone would be AFK.
Plus the server should be able to handle this, atm it doesnt because the servers suck but they will in future.
As for retainers, sure I will use one if I could spawn the fucking thing in any of the wards but nope half of them are full of retainers selling nothing.
As for queues, I'm on Besaid, its pretty popular, not once since release have I ever been in a queue.
If you get DC's and you log on and in a queue, it is likely the server crashed and everyone else got kicked too and now you are all rushing to get back on, but you are the only crying baby out of the other 58 people to come and bitch about it.
Ciao.