BLM Nerfs

I didn't find a recent thread about this, so I thought I'd just make a new one.

To start things off, I do think that BLM needed a nerf but I don't really agree with how SE went about it. The control and pressure a really good BLM, although incredibly rare, could have was definitely nuts at times - even more so in a team setting but with full party ranked being such a dead mode that's not the main point here - but I believe these changes to be overkill.

The 4 second baseline nerf of both Sleep and Night Wing as well as making Sleep single target is a huge deal and that's not even mentioning the Blizzard & Freeze nerf. On top of that they didn't even compensate, like buffing Manawall (PvP only) or Equanimity for example.
Altogether this seems like way too much of a hit to me; then again I don't play BLM so I could be wrong, which is the main reason for making this thread.

How are you guys feeling about the nerfs? Especially you BLM mains out there.

Screwing with an already dead body comes to mind. (Neckro-I-feelyaz-something?) Blm lost its soul when Flare was gimped (still best BOOM spell in game hands down) Aside from annoying sleeps, it has nothing..NOTHING..that another ranged class burst/aoe-wise cant do better. Aaah well...as with drk..it gets a slot filled so the match will pop and boredom will end. Wait..theres now 8 vs 8- no role pvp? O_O

I play BLM in Frontlines and the changes are quite interesting. They homogenised the duration of Sleep and Night Wing to be on par with WHM Repose and reduced heavy durations across the board. Sleep being single target only makes the windows of vulnerability longer in Frontlines due to the amount of people that are present in games. If you have two or three melee (or more) on you at a time, your only form of meaningful CC on them is Night Wing or Blizzard II and even then they might Fetter Ward it, wasting your cooldown in terms of the former.

You also can't chain Swiftcast -> Sleep into Cometeor stacking kills anymore with the nerf, you HAVE to use Night Wing for it.

It's probably a good thing in the Feast that the Sleep is single target now, as you don't make multiple enemies resistant to sleep and can use it more tactically. Night Wing is still there for multi-sleep.

SE stated that the nerf was due to the BLMs victory rate in the Feast, but, maybe I'm wrong, in theEU server they are quite rare.
I played some few matches in a JAP datacenter (only FL), they act very different from what I'm used to see.

Even during a Slaughter match and even if 2 GC was clashing among each other in the middle part of the arena, the 3rd one didn't start any sandwitch action,
just waited back and re-apply stoneskin ._.

It seemed that they was waiting for the LB any time to attack, and use them all together.
No one was battle high at the end of the match xD

So if they are very focused on LB people I think that the Sleep nerf was due to it, but with our pattern x.x
I will really miss it even because Freeze suck even compared to Tri-bind :/

Most of the top ten on JP Mana Datacenter are BLM's, they all have incredible skill, timing, and control the flow of the matches. I'm looking forward to tomorrow where my small buffs, and their nerf might actually help me secure a spot in the top 100. =)

Accelerator XIV is also on Masamune world, and I had the pleasure of playing with and against him many times. <3

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Originally Posted by Geologo

I played some few matches in a JAP datacenter (only FL), they act very different from what I'm used to see.

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Mhm, JP frontlines and NA/EU frontlines are completely different.

Hardly any people get battle high in JP frontlines and when they do, they get focused hard.

The ice tomelith magic resist was mostly the JP meta's fault when people stacked Cometeors on people and ice.

I'll share a screenshot of an old Seal Rock party list on the Elemental data centre.
This is before Summoner nerfs that happened ages ago.

Nerfs need to happen to keep the game competitive and sadly (for me anyway) they targeted BLM Sleep this time round.

Sure they do! Lately adders smn's are running around with highs and fevers, I think they are a premade XD

what data center you guys talking about? Mana is where it's at. Been doing tons of Glory over here, super fun times.

Its nerfed to the point of it being not fun to play night wing nerf too really :@

How am I feeling about the nerfs? I love it, because I was the one who asked for it.

Nightwing isn't the only way to get your LB off. Why does every BLM player forget that Freeze is a 1.5 second cast if you have AF3 lol.

I personally don't mind the aoe sleep nerf in the context of Feast. Haven't had any experience in frontlines, however. In Feast, occasionally I play blm when I'm sick of healing, and sometimes I wish I hadn't slept someone who was too close to the target I intended to sleep (which is normally the healer), thus placing unnecessary sleep dr. In NA, Primal more specifically, I only know of 2-3 really good blms, so seeing a blm in Feast is really rare compared to the JP servers. And since there were so few of us, a lot of people didn't know how to deal with a good blm and thus the "frustrations" brought upon them. Blm are scary when allowed to freecast, but unless you've actually played blm (in Feast) you will know how easy you are locked down, or conversely how easy it is to kill when you are not. Now I have to use Nightwing sparingly since it is our only aoe sleep. But like Miyu said, we still have freeze to immobilize multiple targets.

Blm is not an easy class to play in pvp imo, probably harder than all the other ranged, i dont mind the cc nerf but the thing is there was already alot of things people could do to counter blm cc (purify rotation on healer, stuns silence, knockbacks, focus blm) Blm played at full potential can be very scary but it also requires a high amount of skill and cooperation with the team, a team who doesnt listen to blm or a blm who doesnt tell the team what he is doing is a fail. So for this blm needs to keep an eye on CC DRs, call out when sleep is ready, watch the healer for peels, kite the meles plus what everyone does (adrenalines, boxes, medals, flow of battle). After the nerfs they made blm to depend even more on his teamates for kills, peels are weaker, dps will still train/LoS the blm so he cant do dmg, blm still will need to wear 2+ vit accesories to survive

The class is still ok but compared to a MCH right now, well i guess there are not so many top MCH in JP to make SE nerf them

JP plays as a team, which is why their blms are strong. NA plays YOLO, which is why mch is so strong.

The nerf was needed. In high level feast matches against a blm, the whole team needed to hold purify for their healer (which is about the most powerful thing possible, saying otherwise is ludicrous).

Blm still seems stronger than brd or smn played at a high level. Mch is definitely still going to be the NA soloq champ though. I think they are in a good place, mch is just a bit too powerful (can 2 shot someone and still have burst leftover to kill another person).

The main problem I had with Blm's before this patch was that the vast majority of them seemed incapable of balancing their CC with their Dps.

I don't play the job myself, so it's hard to criticize, but the thing I saw most often was Blm's who would openly sacrifice their dps for unnecessary CC. The healer would already be stunned or dead, but they'd be throwing pillows at people instead of trying to score kills. I get that they have (had?) an excellent CC tool at their disposal, but what good is it if it prevents the team from doing enough dmg to score points? I imagine War players might see this differently, as they can (somewhat) compensate for the diminished dps output of a sleep happy Blm, but I've seen too many sub-par dps numbers to give blm's the benefit of the doubt here. Normally, I'm opposed to most job nerfs, but I am honestly curious how this one will play out in the arena. Personally, I'm hoping to see higher dps outputs and more killing, but I'll reserve judgement until I see it in the arena ... that is, if/when queues pick back up again.

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Originally Posted by Chaelyn

Nightwing isn't the only way to get your LB off. Why does every BLM player forget that Freeze is a 1.5 second cast if you have AF3 lol.

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Shhhhhhhh or the crybaby's will get it nerfed too