Can someone elaborate on how community Greed only rules get established?

I just ran with a map party with friends and this question only occurred to me when one of them Needed on something before the rules were mentioned. Of course it was brushed off but I'm curious as to what this does for the given party.

I understand in dungeons and trials and raids Need is available only for gear that your current job or class can use. But then we get the oddball items: crafting items, mount whistles, minions, etc. Isn't the Need option available on all of these for everyone? DF rules are coded in the game, my question isn't about someone setting the DF rule to Greed only. My question goes more for duties like Aquapolis where the rule has to be established by the party. Here, all "Greed only" does is make it easy to spot someone that's breached this rule, despite, again, Need being available to everyone.

That being said... it's really late at night here and I may not be considering the cases where Need is not available to certain people on certain items in Aquapolis or treasure maps. Also, I'd like to stress that I'm just trying to ask about the logic behind such rules. Personally, I pass on 99% of the items that drop, and for items that I might want I ask about what I should roll.

Maybe it just late, but I reread this multiple times, and I'm not quite sure what you're asking.
Because the best I can gather is, you're asking "Is there an option to use Need?"
Which I'm going to assume isn't what you're asking.

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Originally Posted by Claire_Pendragon

Maybe it just late, but I reread this multiple times, and I'm not quite sure what you're asking.
Because the best I can gather is, you're asking "Is there an option to use Need?"
Which I'm going to assume isn't what you're asking.

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Same. I read it a few times and not entirely sure what is being asked. Maybe I'm just sleepy.

Well we had a system of all greed, although the map owner would get to need one item on the run. So they would let us know at each drop if we were to need or greed. Once map owner got the item they wanted then everyone would greed only.

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Originally Posted by Claire_Pendragon

Maybe it just late, but I reread this multiple times, and I'm not quite sure what you're asking.
Because the best I can gather is, you're asking "Is there an option to use Need?"
Which I'm going to assume isn't what you're asking.

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I think what he is asking is, if everyone can need why doesn't everyone just use need instead of greed.

Its terminology carryover from other games and content. Maps might mostly have stuff that can be "Need"ed by everyone, but the term "Greed Only" for "everyone has equal chance of getting the rewards" is older that the Treasure Map system.

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Originally Posted by Masekase_Hurricane

I think what he is asking is, if everyone can need why doesn't everyone just use need instead of greed.

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Ah, well the answer to the question then, is an example of my group tonight, which was that the owner wanted some items to be theirs only, so everyone had to either greed or pass.
The owner woudl also greed or pass, but the few items he really wanted, he would use Need. (and if no one else hit need, then he would be the only person to get the item, which was his way of telling us what items he actually needed, versus which items were free for everyone to roll on.)

yes the owner can just say, hey everyone, pass on this item!
But in most cases, someone always hits need, because the chat log filled up with ppl rolling on the gear or something, and missed the message.
Or someone accidentally hits Need, sees the message, and by the time they go to change it, everyone else alrdy passed, and it drops to them.

In short, making everyone use greed instead by default, helps avoid communication errors. (people will still make mistakes anyways)

There are also items that cannot be needed if you are of different gender, like those Thavnairian series that can only be needed by female.

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Originally Posted by Ninster

I just ran with a map party with friends and this question only occurred to me when one of them Needed on something before the rules were mentioned. Of course it was brushed off but I'm curious as to what this does for the given party.

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On maps there are items that are gender specific if you are not the correct gender then you would not be able to roll need on those. So people came up with the greed only so everyone has the same chance to get the opposite gender items.

State the rules before you start?

For aquapolis with randoms we usually do Owner need, Rest greed. That way you get the items you want from your map, if you dont want an item, pass and everyone else can have a chance to get it if they want it.

I know of some people doing groups that are a free for all but I only do those with my FC.

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Originally Posted by Neri

There are also items that cannot be needed if you are of different gender, like those Thavnairian series that can only be needed by female.

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Oh ok, thanks. All the Thav items I'd seen were unisex so I was wondering when/if the female gear would show up. So "Greed only" would indeed put everyone on the same playing field.

Thanks for the responses everyone, but Neri and Bixillarla hit on the one thing I hadn't thought of that makes this make sense to me.

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Originally Posted by Neri

There are also items that cannot be needed if you are of different gender, like those Thavnairian series that can only be needed by female.

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This is the primary reason for groups using 'greed only' instead of 'all need' in aquapolis.

Any other reason is just force of habit.