As someone who loves pvp and loves final fantasy the whole franchise, I would like to give idea's on how you can make a fun addition to the game and not forced or feel forced upon people who don't enjoy pvp.
1. If world pvp is going to be added, please make a couple new servers/realms and do not convert any of the existing into pvp.
2. Lets keep "pvp gear" out of the game please, farming pvp sets is probably the most pointless thing any game can create. Not only that it causes a lot of drama when PvP gear is being used in PvE! We would prefer you to spend the money on something productive than making junk gear who most of the people will junk in days if its tier sets. It also takes away from being unique! We don't want to look and have the same stats as the other Gladiator next to us! Not only that but it gives the PvE community players a chance to actually compete and stand a chance. Trust me if you create pvp sets someone who has top PvE gear will not stand a chance against people fully geared in pvp gear that are skilled. Having PvP/PvE gear makes it too easy for hardcore PvPers to identify the players and will focus target anyone in PvE gear! The greatest thing I personally enjoyed in FFXI is killing end game to get better gear and compete (own it up :P) in ballista. Gave me the chance to enjoy and experience the whole game as well!
3. Please skill > gear! In FFXI it didn't matter if you had a relic, if you sucked you sucked and that's what I loved about it! The balance of FFXI was amazing, yes some classes/jobs had temporary advantages but they never lasted long.
4. Rewards extremely hard to obtain. Weather it be a tunic or a weapon (most preferably a weapon) the hardcore PvP community, like the hardcore PvE community, like things that set them some what apart from the crowd with items that show how they worked hard for something. As an example: Archer PvE Relic 100dmg 50agi. PvP Relic 95dmg 50eva. or 95-100dmg (plus 50agi to players only or in player vs player environments)
I'm going to close with saying again that PLEASE DON'T FORCE THIS ON PVE'ERS!!! We don't take pride in killing someone who isn't interested or trying. Save yourselves the QQ's! Thanks for your time, feel free to leave your comments and opinions.
PvP opinions from a PvPer
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11-11-2011, 09:18 PMNoblewarPvP opinions from a PvPer
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11-11-2011, 09:24 PMZenaku
I agree with everything beside first one the issue with that is i lost a lot of friends due to them wanting to go to PVP worlds and i want to be in PVE.
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11-11-2011, 09:27 PMBetelgeuzahMy contradiction senses are tingling.Quote:
2. Lets keep "pvp gear" out of the game please
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things that set them some what apart from the crowd with items that show how they worked hard for something. As an example: Archer PvE Relic 100dmg 50agi. PvP Relic 95dmg 50eva. or 95-100dmg (plus 50agi to players only or in player vs player environments)
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11-11-2011, 09:48 PMNoblewarI really doubt they will add world PvP unless they are really trying to lure in the PvP community. If it did happen they will have to change too much about the game. Like if your from town A will you still be able to go to town B/C? If your fighting for an area why will the opposite city welcome you etc. This is why I don't believe it'll happen and to be honest I don't want it to happen. World PvP is more for extra fun when your leveling, like hey look someone here questing too around my level! Hmm should I fight him/her? At capped level most PvPers focus on their own thing just like PvEers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zenaku
I'm all for fairness and if any type of forced world pvp is involved I think it should be areas where you get flagged and have timed events like ballista did, but most important not required to go through! Only reason you take that road is because you want to PvP or explore that area. I believe that it also adds some excitement exploring an area that's dangerous, not only because of PvE mobs but because others players lurking around the corner! -
11-12-2011, 07:51 AMEthir
There will be a lot of changing for PVP; like:
+ Class vs Class - only class's skill are useable
+ Same class VS - only class's skill are useable
+ Free For All. - everything goes
+ Group VS - everything goes.
I think the last 3 of your ideas are good; i would like to add some point. Reward for winning and penalty for losing and if a player 6 level higher than their opponent; they wont get reward for winning; however if they lose; they penalty will be higher than normal; and the reward for defeating a high level will higher. An interesting could be added is 1 vs many. -
11-12-2011, 09:59 AMirongripz
pvp servers plz ty. dont want to be stuck on realm with a bunch of pvp haters.
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11-12-2011, 11:00 AMZenakuThey wont be any pvp servers like someone said because pvp in ffxiv is just a sport game no like WoW where one side hate eachother and there in war even in ffxi it was not like that. Top of that they not going to allow open dual or PK so there no point in it.Quote:
Originally Posted by irongripz
People don't hate on pvp haters they just hate the idea to be force to do it and in ffxiv there no issue with that so don't matter. -
11-12-2011, 12:15 PMForerunnerCross-server instances! POW!Quote:
Originally Posted by irongripz
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11-12-2011, 12:31 PMZenakuYoshi-p said that cross server pvp wont even happen he want people to fight on there own world but if people request it enough he would try and add it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Forerunner
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11-12-2011, 01:05 PMirongripzwould be nice. I guess since the GD post above shot down my request, i can just hope and pray i get on server with lots of other pvpers. Maybe ill get lucky, get on A fenfir like realm. Where the pvp doesn't die, and people actually do it with out nagging me for shouting in town to get enough people to do it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Forerunner
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11-12-2011, 01:08 PMSephrick
I don't mind the idea of a Colosseum. Would bring back memories of VI!
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11-13-2011, 04:30 AMMistyMew
ff is not about pvp, i hope no pvp is ever added tbh.
the best reason not to play is have a bunch of anger issue kids just needing a fix to kill another....go to another game if thats what ya need in great amounts.
BUT if they ever do add any pvp and keep it 100% segregated from the rest of the server then thats fine. give the kids a place to duke it out and feel all bad somehow special if they need that, but in an arena of sorts only. -
11-13-2011, 10:15 AMirongripzQuote:
Originally Posted by Zenaku
seems like zenaku has been proven wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by MistyMew
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11-13-2011, 08:48 PMEthir
The problem isnt PvP the problem is PKs, it is alway has been PKs; as long as they're not allow opening fighting like others game, it should be fine.
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11-14-2011, 12:13 AMirongripzwell there will be 1 open pvp area but you don't have to go there unless you chose to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ethir
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11-16-2011, 01:48 AMNoblewarFrom a business perspective, PvP games sell in millions and personally I would prefer to lose one of you and gain ten of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by MistyMew
I love Final Fantasy and if anyone really cared for its wellness they wouldn't insult potential costumers with such immaturity! Most of the people I have met in the PvP community are nice helpful people who take their time to give advice on how to become a better player. In the PvE community there are more self centered people who judge others on their gear and not their skill and if they end up meeting someone who isn't skilled, do they take their time to teach them and help them improve? Hell no...
It's been proven in past MMO's that if you don't have the gear or skill you get labeled on the "Player sucks" list. Now before anyone says "they should take their time to research blah blah blah" all I have to say is go research skydiving and tell me if that makes you a pro skydiver. Also if you want someone who's researched their class, no one does it better than a PvPer, we bring the best out of our classes and we can prove it in both PvP and PvE.
I'm going to end it by saying this to everyone, if you love Final Fantasy don't close the doors on any subject or ideas that have potential of improving its numbers. Bigger numbers here would mean bigger opportunities to increase its success and with that we get bigger rewards, weather they are items, expansions, better patches etc. -
11-16-2011, 07:39 AMEthirThat's depend; your case i believe that the game you play are mostly challenge PvP, 1 vs 1; in other words fair play. However in such game that allow you to attack others players, we really really hate being there; cause a sneak attack from some idiot would cost you your exp, your time to run there etc.... . If they really care about this game they should only stick to Arena PvP and do not; i do really mean do not allow freely PvP even in some area only. Bigger number only good for the devs, not for the players, specially the type of player for FF, since many of us are RPG not competitor type. Example ? Silkroad online; Lineage II; a lot of players but 80% are trash.Quote:
Originally Posted by Noblewar
p/s: PvE are usually the one bring out the best in their class; cause they're not only fight 1 on 1 but usually 1 against groups, combination of skill and tech or trick to help them survive. Of course if you only level up by sticking with your party and fast level then you wont know anything -
11-16-2011, 07:50 AMirongripzthis makes me just lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Ethir
i hear pve is hard lol -
11-16-2011, 07:29 PMEthirWell of course for you it's not hard cause the way you play is different from us. You stick to your party and level up; i do every thing alone. I doubt you could find a safe passage to Mor Dhona without relying on your friend but i could and i do it alone. There are alway 2 type in everything; the type playing in group so regardless of the skill they can level fast and win battle; the other are the type playing alone, they have to rely on their skill and trick to win.Quote:
Originally Posted by irongripz
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11-16-2011, 10:57 PMirongripzlolQuote:
Originally Posted by Ethir
AI= repetition
NI=learn to play
nothing in this game is hard. nothing at all. there are two types of players. those who think video games are hard, and those who don't. -
11-16-2011, 11:26 PMAtoli
Is any of you even reading interviews/watched the liveletter?:rolleyes:
It's no longer a question of IF, it's not even a question of HOW anymore.
There will be PvP, but in a colloseum in Limsa Lominsa, no open world PvP, so everyone who does not like it can stay away from it.
They are thinking of rewarding certain PvP only items/skills, so the rewards have no influence on normal gameplay.
There will be no PvP servers either.
That's how it is going to be implemented, get over it. -
11-17-2011, 12:25 PMirongripzAnd thats the bottom line because atoli said so, no more request allowedQuote:
Originally Posted by Atoli
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11-17-2011, 12:36 PMAtoliIt appeared to me that this thread was not supposed to be a request but a suggestion thread, with all the suggestions actually being stuff the dev team already said that's how it's going to be done.Quote:
Originally Posted by irongripz
There was actually really a request, for not having PvP at all, which is not making sense anymore because we are definitely getting PvP in one way or another.
Well, as quoted by you, more like one certain way than another.