Dueling Item Level Sync

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There’s no IL sync for this either. If we get a lot of requests, we can consider adding an IL sync later, please give us your feedback.

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http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post3853939


So... gonna go ahead and request that now. Why deviate from something that has been working well for every mode so far? Why go back to making equipment (and likely melds) a major factor to this?

Please iLevel Sync players in Wolves' Den to i150. It will also let people optimize gear easier.
Either this or at least give the option to level synch when you challenge others to a duel.

Why? This is a duel agreement between two consenting people, if you dont want to do the same ilevel, thats your choice.... right?

This is ridiculous and they may as well not even add dueling if they don't add iLvl Sync to match. Not syncing gear down for duels is the equivalent adding a raiding requirement that forces you to wear a full set of top-end PvP Gear to have a chance of competing in PvE content.

Getting a full set of PvP gear for dueling purposes isn't even sufficient because Morale doesn't work on Wolves Den Pier. Absolutely unbelievable.

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Originally Posted by Koltik

This is ridiculous and they may as well not even add dueling if they don't add iLvl Sync to match. Not syncing gear down for duels is the equivalent adding a raiding requirement that forces you to wear a full set of top-end PvP Gear to have a chance of competing in PvE content.

Getting a full set of PvP gear for dueling purposes isn't even sufficient because Morale doesn't work on Wolves Den Pier. Absolutely unbelievable.

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Sorry, guess you gotta raid now. ;^)

It needs to have a ilvl sync feature or this will be unbalanced, no idea what SE is thinking

No item level synch means customization of stats is thrown out the window.
The highest geared player will win.

There is no balance with this it just comes down to Gear > SKill

On a serious note, if this gets item level synced it will be a good thing because it'll let people know about it before getting into ranked Feast.

please do

An ilvl sync option would be great. Without such an option, ilvl will play a much bigger role than it should during a duel.

It's so obvious that even they noticed something wrong,
if not why was thay ask to us for it?! XD

Anyway it's nice that there is a unsynced version (I hope PvP materias will work atleast there) for a totally fun/dumb clash with your friends, BUT
The priority is about the synced matches, in order to really figure out how a player can pressure you in The Feast/Frotnline, considering that there isn't any unsynced pvp content
(maybe lv50 The Fold but... we all know that it's dead)

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Originally Posted by Geologo

considering that there isn't any unsynced pvp content
(maybe lv50 The Fold but... we all know that it's dead)

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Even the Fold is synced, actually. Literally all PvP in this game is sync'd. It makes no sense that Dueling wouldn't be as well.

Agreed. I like the dueling mode, but leaving it unsynced is not the greatest idea. I mean, I know that's how it works in other games, but all of our PvP revolves around level sync right now. In this form, it's more a thing for people to do when they get bored than any real tool for helping players test out things and improve. Then again, maybe that's exactly what they intended.

If anything, maybe there should be some way to have options for level sync: Unsynced, ilvl 80, ilvl 150. Theoretically it could work similar to the syncing function for FATEs, only it also affects item level as well.

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Definitely requesting this! Here's three good reasons right off the top of my head:

• 1. It would let new players know, RIGHT OFF THE BAT, that there is a level sync in PvP.
  
  This is essential, because new players just don't have a clue what they're getting into when they queue up for PvP, especially players who are fresh to 60. It's one thing to have an ilvl 200 + PvE set and queue up. It's another entirely to queue up with a ilvl 150 set that barely meets the entry requirement.
  
  
• 2. It allows us to train with the EXACT SAME CONDITIONS we are under in the arena.
  
  This is very important, because it creates a baseline for when we're training or teaching new players. How are new players supposed to know what to expect in the arena if they aren't dueling at the same level as they are competing? Better yet, how are we supposed to do accurate testing for gear stats and burst dmg if we're not conducting the tests within the same conditions we're competing? If we want an accurate training tool, then level sync is essential. Otherwise, duels between equal jobs will boil down to who has the better gear, rather than who actually knows what they're doing. I realize that duels aren't meant to be balanced in the first place, but there's no need for this. It completely underwrites the purpose of training.
  
  
• 3. Allows us to (finally) stat check and test our builds before getting into the arena.
  
  This is something I've kind of wanted for a while now, just for convenience. As things are, the only way to accurately view stat caps is to max a stat while under level sync is to actually go into a match and see where the caps are. Assuming you haven't memorized what each stat cap is for each specific job, you'll have to queue for real matches to test out your builds and see if they meet the caps. If dueling were synced, however, we would no longer have to go through this relatively annoying process every time we wanted to test out a new job in PvP. Instead, you could just request a duel, view your stat page, end the duel, make adjustments, then request a duel again. It would be much faster and easier. Once you got it the way you like it, you can actually test it out and see how the numbers stack up without any of the clutter or fuss of an actual match.

I'm sure there are more reasons than this, as well. I realize that SE is mostly putting duels in for fun and to give us something to do between queues, but there are some serious and practical applications to this feature that only work if level sync is in effect. It needs to happen.

add ilvl sync pls ty

Actually, this is bringing up another concern of mine that I almost forgot about. Does anyone know if statuses follow PvP rules or PvE rules within Wolves Den Pier? I remember that, back in the day, stuns didn't use the PvP timers on the training dummies in the WD pier area. It's not a big deal on the dummies, because most people only use them to test rotations, but it's a different story in duels. It would be seriously misleading to new players if statuses didn't work the same way in duels as they do in an actual match.

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Originally Posted by Aviars

Sorry, guess you gotta raid now. ;^)

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I've seen your post history and it only involves ruining other players fun and or suggestions, if you as a player can't say anything constructive why say anything at all. Difference of opinion is why we post on this forum; your post however, nothing can be salvaged from

It just throws to the window the whole testing and praticing expeculations many PvP players were waiting for.

All of the wolves den area should level sync, makes no sense why it doesn't already.

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Originally Posted by AegisKiddo

I've seen your post history and it only involves ruining other players fun and or suggestions, if you as a player can't say anything constructive why say anything at all. Difference of opinion is why we post on this forum; your post however, nothing can be salvaged from

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I think he was showing empathy, and was meant to further the common cause rather than disrupt it. Like, that he is sad SE is telling us PvPers we have to raid now to keep current.

He also has some good constructive posts on how to improve the brokenness that is feast. I suggest you read some of them again with a more open mind~

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There’s no IL sync for this either. If we get a lot of requests, we can consider adding an IL sync later, please give us your feedback.

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Time to make ourselves heard. If there was ever anything for the pvp community to come together for it is this.

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Originally Posted by Tieria

It needs to have a ilvl sync feature or this will be unbalanced, no idea what SE is thinking

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Implying 1vs1 was balanced in the first place. Every time that argument was brought up about dueling as such, people immediately admitted it isn't and isn't meant to be, but rather just "something" to pass the time.

Post 14 got the right of it - dueling sync isn't for balance, it's to allow it to function as tool in addition to mere entertainment.

Sync or no sync just want to have fun dueling

I want to one shot people with over powered moves and over powered gear >:) jk
Item level sync ^^;

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Originally Posted by Zojha

Implying 1vs1 was balanced in the first place. Every time that argument was brought up about dueling as such, people immediately admitted it isn't and isn't meant to be, but rather just "something" to pass the time.

Post 14 got the right of it - dueling sync isn't for balance, it's to allow it to function as tool in addition to mere entertainment.

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You are right, this is to pass the time and not even with ilvl sync duels will be balanced for some classes, there is no sync in duels in any other game but in this game pvp content is sync and people who asked for this are people who pvp and alot of them doesnt have endgame pve gear, you dont need it for pvp content. So if you want a fair 1v1 with the same lvl of gear and just test out your skills you would have to duel naked

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Originally Posted by Tieria

You are right, this is to pass the time and not even with ilvl sync duels will be balanced for some classes, there is no sync in duels in any other game but in this game pvp content is sync and people who asked for this are people who pvp and alot of them doesnt have endgame pve gear, you dont need it for pvp content. So if you want a fair 1v1 with the same lvl of gear and just test out your skills you would have to duel naked

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Am pretty confident that will be going on regardless lol

If the standard had been unsync'd in every mode of PvP, that would be one thing. Yes, dueling was always meant for fun, but this creates an additional hassle to what is supposed to be a convenient and fun way for PvP'ers to pass time. Now players are going to scramble their stuff to match in item levels, and even then not all gear slots are created equal.

Also, while I do intend on raiding in 3.4, I don't feel it earns me an advantage over people who do not.

I was super-hyped until I saw this, which is going to make it difficult to get newbies involved. Such as FC mates, non-PVP friends, etc.

Called something like this going wrong with 1v1 weeks ago. Hope they change it ASAP.

Would be nice to have no-instanced location for ilvl150 and ilvl80 sync in order to check equipment effects. Mebbe in your private chamber you could adjust ilvl?

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Originally Posted by Februs

Actually, this is bringing up another concern of mine that I almost forgot about. Does anyone know if statuses follow PvP rules or PvE rules within Wolves Den Pier? I remember that, back in the day, stuns didn't use the PvP timers on the training dummies in the WD pier area. It's not a big deal on the dummies, because most people only use them to test rotations, but it's a different story in duels. It would be seriously misleading to new players if statuses didn't work the same way in duels as they do in an actual match.

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There’s no IL sync for this either. If we get a lot of requests, we can consider adding an IL sync later, please give us your feedback.

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Originally Posted by Enlial

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Technically you are not PvPing in that screenshot, you're PvEing. Hopefully SE actually accounted for what you're showing in that screenshot, or they'll just be that much more of a joke.

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Originally Posted by Enlial

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Yup. I went there last night to check it out as well lol. I really hope that SE realizes that PvP status durations are inaccurate within WD pier and makes adjustments, because this would be terribly misleading for new people.

I guess they don't want to punish players for investing time to work on a better gear and feel like these efforts should be rewarded. However with current weekly lockout system it's impossible to gear all your jobs equally high so you'll be forced to stick with the best geared job for duels.

I can see naked dueling becoming a thing

or 180 pvp gear only, but thats less funny to think about

I think there's value in making the dueling area an ilvl synced zone, if only to maintain consistency between it and existing instanced PvP areas. Dueling is just a fun thing to do on the side after all, so another benefit would be being able to test things out in the same stat and gear environment you would be in the instanced modes.

I'm not sure how easy or hard it would be to do behind the scenes, but you could
1. Sync ilvls to 150 in the entire Wolves' Den zone,
2. Sync ilvls to 150 when crossing the line into the PvP area, or
3. Make it an option in the submenu when requesting a duel with a player, and syncing would occur at the end of the countdown.

It's not like 1v1 is a huge balance priority otherwise - and anyway I don't see any huge differences in how gameplay would play out at i150 vs i245, syncing dueling to i150 would have pure advantages in utility.

Obviously I have more stats at i245, but so does my opponent; if I can gib people in 3 GCDs in instanced PvP at i150, I don't see how that would play out any differently at i245. If anything, kills in a synced i150 environment will come faster because I have the advantage of using my specialty crit/det set there - while in a non-synced environment I have to put up with whatever acc or skillspeed is on my gear.

leave it unsync'd imo, the moment they sync it ppl will start to ask for 1v1 "balance" (quick tip: it doesn't exist unless your playing something like tekken.....sometimes :P) Saw WoW get gutted from their Devs trying to balance said game around their 1v1 and 2v2 scene don't wanna see that again. To me seems duels are namely there for some extra pvp fun and pastime, hence its lack of any actual competitive rewards. (on this note, never make pvp competitive content with less than the 4v4 formula SE!, hell even the unrestricted by class thing makes me think its a bad idea)

I don't see how there will be any difference between a synced and unsycned environment in practice. You hit like a truck in i245, but your opponent has i245 HP as well, and vice versa. I think they will play out exactly the same, with very minor differences in practice.

If anything, an unsynced environment is likely to cause more complaints, because a fresh 60 in i195 dungeon gear is going to get destroyed by a i245 person and forget that their gear is at fault. At least with a sync, the gear ceiling is very low so time-to-kill metrics will be standardized for most players.

That said, I also wouldn't be too worried about them caving to complaints and diverting resources to 1v1 balance (which I agree doesn't matter very much). Just look at PotD, it can be entered solo but they have gone on record to say deal with it if your class isn't as good as others for soloing. A WAR, SCH, or SMN have a much easier time soloing things than most of the pure dps classes for instance, but you don't see them wasting energy trying to fix that.

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Originally Posted by Myon88

I don't see how there will be any difference between a synced and unsycned environment in practice. You hit like a truck in i245, but your opponent has i245 HP as well, and vice versa. I think they will play out exactly the same, with very minor differences in practice.

If anything, an unsynced environment is likely to cause more complaints, because a fresh 60 in i195 dungeon gear is going to get destroyed by a i245 person and forget that their gear is at fault. At least with a sync, the gear ceiling is very low so time-to-kill metrics will be standardized for most players.

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Except for the fact that most players who are heavy PvPers do not raid and do not even have access to i245 gear. If they do not sync then they need to add i245 gear to PvP vendors, and all that would do is throw off PvE balance. 1v1 balance will already be bad enough, no need to throw huge iLvl differences into the mix to throw it off even more.

So, all the more reason to have an ilvl sync, which I am in favour of too.

That said, I don't see why they would need to add i245 gear to PvP vendors in the event that it isn't synced though. Dueling is consensual so you can just reject any requests from PvE geared people if you feel it's unfair, it's not like there are points to earn or scores to record.

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Originally Posted by Koltik

Technically you are not PvPing in that screenshot, you're PvEing. Hopefully SE actually accounted for what you're showing in that screenshot, or they'll just be that much more of a joke.

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I dont think it's that. Wolves den pier, as far as I can tell, was intended to be a "pvp area." And you could say the same thing about the ice in fields of glory. In fact, I'm certain the training dummies and the icebound tomeliths are actually cousins ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ The range penalty for bards/machinists is reflected by the training dummies, so I dont think its a technical limitation, either. My guess would be that its just an oversight.