Please consider: Apartments to those that don't own a house first.

The purpose of the apartment system was to encourage those who didn't have a private space to be able to obtain one.

There should be a week long lock preventing those that currently own a FC house or a private residence from obtaining an apartment.

Otherwise, we will all be back at square one when this first started. Some people owning multiple properties, just because they can.

Please take this into consideration before 3.4 drops. Thank you.

The thing is, SE won't do such a thing. They did not do it for the last plot addition and we all saw what happened...and yet they decided to go on the same path and will probably keep going.
I think they do not realize that japaness community is pretty diffrent than NA and EU.
Japaness don't act like ***, they are respectfull, man they even do lines during events to provide the best game experience to every one xD

On the opposite, we tend to be more selfish and self-absorbed, thinking most of the time about "me myself and I" wich causes what we saw the last time, will see this time and all the future times...
As long a SE does not realize that, you can be sure they won't add such limit :/

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The thing is, SE won't do such a thing. They did not do it for the last plot addition and we all saw what happened...and yet they decided to go on the same path and will probably keep going.
I think they do not realize that japaness community is pretty diffrent than NA and EU.
Japaness don't act like ***, they are respectfull, man they even do lines during events to provide the best game experience to every one xD

On the opposite, we tend to be more selfish and self-absorbed, thinking most of the time about "me myself and I" wich causes what we saw the last time, will see this time and all the future times...
As long a SE does not realize that, you can be sure they won't add such limit :/

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The only server that messed up on the event like NA or EU is my server...

I might get a Lavender Beds apartment for the hell of it, despite having a personal Mist medium and a Goblet small. I'd probably save it for a friend or something.

Unfortunately, just like real life, if they have the money and want it, we can't stop them from getting it.

Also, quite a few servers on the NA and EU side formed lines for the mess at the Moonfire Faire, and trolls existed on the JP one.

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Also, quite a few servers on the NA and EU side formed lines for the mess at the Moonfire Faire, and trolls existed on the JP one.

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Saw queue on Odin during the event.. looked at the length of it and came back later when people had done it.

As for apartments, removing auto-demolish from housing could reduce the urge to purchase apartment as well.

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I think they do not realize that japaness community is pretty diffrent than NA and EU.
Japaness don't act like ***, they are respectfull, man they even do lines during events to provide the best game experience to every one xD

On the opposite, we tend to be more selfish and self-absorbed, thinking most of the time about "me myself and I" wich causes what we saw the last time, will see this time.... :/

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Because yeah, there totally isn't any trolls on the JP server who ruin things for them over there. There are shitty people in every country. Stop being a weeaboo and acting like Japan is the pinnacle of morality, because it isn't. And FYI, people formed Qs for the power rangers event* in NA servers too. There's a reason why a lot of Japanese youth try to imitate American culture, surely it can't be that bad?

The apartments are not subject to housing demolition, preventing house owners from getting one would be unfair.

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Because yeah, there totally isn't any trolls on the JP server who ruin things for them over there. There are shitty people in every country. Stop being a weeaboo and acting like Japan is the pinnacle of morality, because it isn't. And FYI, people formed Qs for the power rangers event* in NA servers too. There's a reason why a lot of Japanese youth try to imitate American culture, surely it can't be that bad?

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A cynical person might draw a connection here.

I am sure they will add more apartments to different areas (Ishguard, etc) in the future as well as increase current allocations of ones in the divisions we have now, as they get more players.

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Because yeah, there totally isn't any trolls on the JP server who ruin things for them over there. There are shitty people in every country. Stop being a weeaboo and acting like Japan is the pinnacle of morality, because it isn't. And FYI, people formed Qs for the power rangers event* in NA servers too. There's a reason why a lot of Japanese youth try to imitate American culture, surely it can't be that bad?

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I know that, just saying that, regarding education, they are differences that tend to make them more group focus (or society focus) even today than us, Westerners who are educated, again in general (yet there is exception of course) on a more personnal focus.
Again, some of us a good and well educated, some of them are bad and deserves a good spanking ^^", yet i've never had any problem with japaness players who i saw being nice, polite and helpfulf while i've been trolled several times by us Westerners with some thig like "boo stupid noob" "i'll *** your mother" and other....well....poetic language.

Don't trust me ? Come spend some time during the next event on Cerberus, i'm sure they will find a lot of poetic ideas regarding the idea of forming Qs to allow everyone to enjoy the content ^^" (or just come spend some time hunting S rank during "rush hours", you don't need to wait for event to see how it works ^^")

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I am sure they will add more apartments to different areas (Ishguard, etc) in the future as well as increase current allocations of ones in the divisions we have now, as they get more players.

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Not sure people want to wait, wich is understandable, new content, we all want to enjoy it. The thing is, they should imho, give priority on these to people who do not have a house, why ?
Because why is it so important to have an HLM (don't know the english equivalent, it's like those tiny flat where they put poor people preteding "it's ok to see through the walls and not have hot water" :/) if you already have a beautifull house ?
Give the "unlucky" the 1sts appartement, then when you open the new areas, give it to everyone ^^
(just so you know, i don't have a personnal house, just a FC house wich is enought for me and don't plan ATM on buying an appartement myself ^^")

One really simple thing they could do would fix housing pretty easily...

Make the game automatically generate new wards as they fill up. That way the pricing of the houses isn't artificially inflated through the roofs and the average player could actually get their hands on a house.

But I highly doubt they'll do that.

And these apartments kind of sound like a version of the FC Mansion Private Chambers... Except not tied to the existence of the FC and the Mansion and your membership... They won't serve all the points of housing, it'll mostly just be a customizable room.
Almost a case of "Might as well hang around in the Inns for free."

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Originally Posted by Celef

They did not do it for the last plot addition

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They effectively did, (and permanently rather than just the first week as Deceptus suggested). The last plot addition was regular plots, and there's already a rule that you can't have more than one. With the coming of apartments, the rule is being expanded to where you can have both a personal house and a personal apartment, so people with a home already are eligible to buy another (albeit smaller) one. (I don't actually know why you'd want both, though.)

I see nothing wrong in letting people without a house get first dibs.

If I was on a larger server I wouldn't even bother buying an apartment since I have a house. As I am not I fully intend to get one since I'm pretty sure they're adding more apartments than my servers population :(

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(I don't actually know why you'd want both, though.)

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Because not everyone has a mansion to stash all their trophies in, and even those with a mansion might need a space to put more trophies in. And I highly doubt the apartments have as much space as a mansion. At beast they might be 2/3's bigger than FC rooms.

Also the apartments not be subject to auto demolition makes them desirable because people have a tendency not to lose their hard earned trophies.

This is one of those avenues where the community is basically going to have to morality check itself:

Do you have an estate? If yes, do you need an apartment?

Let me be open and blunt in saying I own a small house, and I fully intend to get an apartment. Why? Well, I chose Goblet, almost none of my friends live there. I inherited an FC/mansion in Lavender Beds; not where I'd have chosen to be but I'm grateful anyways. And most importantly, depending on how the apartments pan out, I'm actually willing to give up my small house, not that I need to, as several wards on my small/shrinking server still have lots of space available.

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Again, some of us a good and well educated, some of them are bad and deserves a good spanking ^^", yet i've never had any problem with japaness players who i saw being nice, polite and helpfulf while i've been trolled several times by us Westerners with some thig like "boo stupid noob" "i'll *** your mother" and other....well....poetic

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I fully understand what we can be like but as someone who works with actual Japanese, Korean, Chinese and Thai students (I work for UAL university of arts london where every year students from Asia come and take short courses in English language and culture) They can be just as rude and impolite (especially the rich ones, jesus) as us. Stop putting them above everyone else whilst devaluing your own culture just because of the few supposedly Japanese players you met over the internet. Speak to actual Japanese people in real life to understand what it's really like.

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I fully understand what we can be like but as someone who works with actual Japanese, Korean, Chinese and Thai students (I work for UAL university of arts london where every year students from Asia come and take short courses in English language and culture) They can be just as rude and impolite (especially the rich ones, jesus) as us. Stop putting them above everyone else whilst devaluing your own culture just because of the few supposedly Japanese players you met over the internet. Speak to actual Japanese people in real life to understand what it's really like.

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Agreed not to mention the culture is extremely xenophobic and kinda racist.

On topic though I just bought and furnished my own FC rooom and was fully intending to buy an apartment before I did, now I feel no need to. Would be great if they did implement some measures so people who needed it got them first but I don't see it happening unfortunatly.

I fully intend to get an apartment too. Mainly, I just have no idea what can happen in the future and the apartment being not subject to auto-demolition is very attractive to me. I have a private cottage in LB, so I'd like to get an apartment in my ward.

I'm on Famfrit, so I don't anticipate that these will fill up very quickly (it took weeks for the new wards from 3.3 to fill).

You just never know when you're going to fall on hard times and have to cancel your sub. You never know if, during time away, you could get kicked out of your FC for reasons more than just inactivity (for example, FC-selling and the new owner does a member purge).

The desire for permanency is too hard to ignore.

And lastly, I just really love decorating ^.^

I actually lost my old FC room in much the same way.

I told them I was gonna need to be off for a few months. Come back to having lost about 2 mil worth of furniture since they booted me.

I have an FC room again, but that apartment looks so enticing... Too bad I'm broke.

It's really confusing as to how the dev team didn't foresee greed as a potential issue when it comes to this. What reason could they possibly have for allowing people with houses to buy up apartments too? I mean, like, with how badly they've been at thinking ahead while implementing housing up to this point I guess it's not surprising but still.

Yeah no, if you're on Balmung you're screwed either which way.
So I give up. Sorry, I can't be on at the brick of server dawn to catch a room.

@Atoli - No I'm on Balmung and have been for 2 years, 'alt' character.

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Yeah no, if you're on Balmung you're screwed either which way.
So I give up. Sorry, I can't be on at the brick of server dawn to catch a room.

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But..you are on Faerie? :0
Which is such a low-pop server that even if everyone bought one there still would be plenty left :x


As for my plans: I have a house in Lavender Beds but still plan on getting one. And I'd be pretty mad if they locked house-owners out from it.
First of all, I have severe storage problems because all the furniture is already done for when SE releases Ishgard housing but because it keeps getting delayed/not talked about anymore, I need a place to store all that stuff.

Second, I really really miss Limsa since our FC moved away from there. So I'd like to be able to switch between Lavender Beds and Limsa whenever I feel like it.

Third, I honestly think I'll be using it more than most of the people who make a ruckus about house owners buying one right now. At least I have already shown I actually USE the housing I buy.

And last, my house could get auto-demolished at any point for some stupid reason (internet not working after moving, ending up in a hospital, payments getting messed up by the bank, etc. etc.). Apartments are here to stay, so I want a place I will definitely 100% keep even if something happens at some point.

Spekaing of whuch, why ARE the apartments exempt from auto-demolitions anyway? I'm certain that RL apartments preform evictions

The long and short of it seems to be that apartments are running off a different set of coding. Perhaps as a means to use the community space for them that's connected to all the rooms.

It would explain why home owners can still get them and why auto-demo is off.

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Your signature is on point

I'll try to get one for a reason: Space. Too much furniture, not enough space to place it on my state and getting one more retainer on MogStation for that purpose is a no-no.

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Originally Posted by FearTheOldBlood

Your signature is on point

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Sorry I did not get the idea behind your sentence ^^" (english not mother tongue it might be too sbtil for me ^^")

Mayba at some point, if they see it's too messed up they'll add the auto demolition instead / with new appartement or during the period they work on new addition.

Yeah. Good point. You are!

Life happens and this means that someone may not be able to log in for 45 days. Its a very small window when you consider things like severe illness and/or hospitalisation; that moving houses will lead to loss of connection and many places take say it takes up to 30 days to reestablish; moving countries takes several months just for furniture to arrive, let alone worrying about a 45 day timer on a house.

But hey! They are just lazy!

Really - grow up. Life gets in the wayof gaming. As it should.

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Well of course things can happen in life but, if you can't connect for several month, why do you need to prevent someone for having fun if you can't either ?
If housing was not a limited ressource it would not be a problem but, on the other hand, you don't enjoy your house AND other should not, it's a little bit selfish ( hard word but i don't know the less hard words for what i'm trying to say) :/

This thread is literally asking for the water to not be wet. I hate to break it for all of you but it ain't gonna happen.

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Sorry I did not get the idea behind your sentence ^^" (english not mother tongue it might be too sbtil for me ^^")

Mayba at some point, if they see it's too messed up they'll add the auto demolition instead / with new appartement or during the period they work on new addition.

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Oh i just mean your signature is correct. A cash shop as big as the one we have in this game should not exist in a sub MMO. There should be in-game ways to obtain these items or they should be way less expensive. $25 for a moogle mount? That's half a new game...

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Yeah. Good point. You are!

Life happens and this means that someone may not be able to log in for 45 days. Its a very small window when you consider things like severe illness and/or hospitalisation; that moving houses will lead to loss of connection and many places take say it takes up to 30 days to reestablish; moving countries takes several months just for furniture to arrive, let alone worrying about a 45 day timer on a house.

But hey! They are just lazy!

Really - grow up. Life gets in the wayof gaming. As it should.

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What's always taken the piss for me is that your subscription dollars apparently aren't enough to guarantee place holding of this feature until you can get back online. Who CARES if someone is paying $15 a month to hog a virtual house they're not using? They'll either come back to the game at some point, or eventually unsub and lose it anyway; big whoop. (Spoilers: keeping my house on an auto-demolish stranglehold doesn't encourage me to login in and "use it", like people would like to believe - it just boosts SE's daily login count by 1 and irritates the pants off of me over how arbitrary it is.)

The playerbase is so quick to point fingers at one another instead of pointing them at SE, the braintrust of this current housing debacle. I'd almost rather they remove the feature altogether (with obvious refunds to those who own) until they can get it sorted out where there's enough for EVERYONE, even if someone wants one for each one of their three accounts with 8 alts apiece.

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True but what are people doing to make things easier for everyone for the time being? Abolutely nothing... They'll buy up as much property as they can get thier hands on for themselves and then look at the people without one saying "I'm totally innocent"... I say utter rubbish, this whole thing could've been made alot easier if some people were able to think of someone other than themselves for once.

Yes the system is a mess but blaming other players is also warrented imho. You don't take advantage of a wrong just because you can... It's like a cash machine giving out more money than it should, it's still wrong to take it dispite being the Banks fault.

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True but what are people doing to make things easier for everyone for the time being? Abolutely nothing... They'll buy up as much property as they can get thier hands on for themselves and then look at the people without one saying "I'm totally innocent"... I say utter rubbish, this whole thing could've been made alot easier if some people were able to think of someone other than themselves for once.

Yes the system is a mess but blaming other players is also warrented imho. You don't take advantage of a wrong just because you can... It's like a cash machine giving out more money than it should, it's still wrong to take it dispite being the Banks fault.

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It's like the old "you shouldn't roll Need for glamour if it's an upgrade for someone else" debate. There is no stringent moral code in an online game to which everyone is expected to adhere.

SE needs to fix housing, not the playerbase.

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Yes the system is a mess but blaming other players is also warrented imho. You don't take advantage of a wrong just because you can... It's like a cash machine giving out more money than it should, it's still wrong to take it dispite being the Banks fault.

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Because if that happened to you, you would totally leave that money there right ? C'mon now.

That's nothing but being opportunist. In case of housing ( not appartments ) people saw the broken system as an opportunty to make money and seized it. You can't really blame them for being smarter than the majority unless... You are on the other end.


I know few players on my server who did or are still occasionally selling plots to people. And honestly if i had the funds when housing came out, i would have done it too considering how much second hand plots are sold for.

If SE had implemented counter measures to that in the first place, it would never have happened. And also SE not removing the 45 days demolition thng is still contributing to the issue. Why do you think the players i've mentioned are still able to get houses to sell ?


I took a 4 months break not too long ago and i stayed subbed all that time for few reasons even if i wasn't playing at all, the demolition system being one of the major ones.

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It has happened to me.. I don't live on the moon, I took the extra inside was gonna come out of my balance anyway when they eventually found out :P

I'll think you will find I said an an earlier post I am very happy with my FC room so I don't want one.

Well I think the demolition system was as much to increase subs aswel as possibly opening up plots tbh.

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Oh i just mean your signature is correct. A cash shop as big as the one we have in this game should not exist in a sub MMO. There should be in-game ways to obtain these items or they should be way less expensive. $25 for a moogle mount? That's half a new game...

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And also entirely optional!

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It's like the old "you shouldn't roll Need for glamour if it's an upgrade for someone else" debate. There is no stringent moral code in an online game to which everyone is expected to adhere.

SE needs to fix housing, not the playerbase.

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Wrong there is a morals and saying being totally selfish is just as moral as people who arn't is an out and out lie.

I didn't say we should, but god forbid players try to ease a burden for the time being -_-

Why should the house owners be discriminated? By that logic we could also say that any member of FC that has a house should not be able to buy an apartment as well - because they have the option to buy the FC room...

I am not sure if you realize it, but you are trying to bring certain level of equality by discriminating noticeable portion of the player base without even considering why could a house owner want the apartment. In my opinion apartments are great way to socialize, you get a lot of neighbors - in comparison to empty wards etc.

Threads like this one are no good. The only thing you are going to achieve is that people who would otherwise ignore the apartments are going to buy few just because they disagree with your attitude.

The fact that the apartments are going to cost "lunch money" is making it even more likely...