Please remove the hidden "/wait 1" between macro lines...

For those that are unaware, there is a 1 second wait between each macro line. This is why gear swap macros take forever. It's not because the game doesn't support swapping multiple pieces of gear at once. (If you spam your gear macro you'll notice you change gear much quicker. Also, when changing to a class that cannot equip your current gear, it all gets removed at once.)

Please remove this. I can understand why it was made this way, but it's really worse than having to put /wait # between each line. I'd really like instant gear swaps back :(

Yeah, the automatic "/wait 1" doesn't work for multiple spells anyway so it's pretty useless.

I agree strongly with this, I was fairly disappointed when I started leveling conj and tried setting up some gear swapping marcos for buffs/debuffs/nukes for when I hit 50 (I was a RDM/BLM/PLD/DRK in ffxi, I had gear swaps for everything, even enf/dark/mag acc /fast cast gear for DRK drains and stuns). I figured I was just doing something wrong and just set it aside for later, but if there isn't a way to only hit one macro and swap gear all at once then this game just got a lot less fun for me, collecting all the best gear for buffs/debuffs/nukes/abilitys/etc. was a huge hobby of mine in ffxi. It was also one of the big differences between more knowledgeable player and the standard one gear set for everything players.

If me and the OP are missing something, please enlighten us.

that work with regular spell thou, so if you have a macro using in sequence raging strike, hawk eye, ferocity and blindside, you'll have to put manually a /wait between every line.
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@arumat: this game it's strongly against gear swap, so i don't understand your point.

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Originally Posted by Arumat

I agree strongly with this, I was fairly disappointed when I started leveling conj and tried setting up some gear swapping marcos for buffs/debuffs/nukes for when I hit 50 (I was a RDM/BLM/PLD/DRK in ffxi, I had gear swaps for everything, even enf/dark/mag acc /fast cast gear for DRK drains and stuns). I figured I was just doing something wrong and just set it aside for later, but if there isn't a way to only hit one macro and swap gear all at once then this game just got a lot less fun for me, collecting all the best gear for buffs/debuffs/nukes/abilitys/etc. was a huge hobby of mine in ffxi. It was also one of the big differences between more knowledgeable player and the standard one gear set for everything players.

If me and the OP are missing something, please enlighten us.

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There is no point in changing gear mid fight in this game as the stats on the changed gear are not used until after the enemy/enemies is dead. It was made as such so you dont change gear during the fight

His point is that since we probably need different sets for each of the specific settings, like, when we're going to use Cure spells, we might want to boost heal potency / mind to the maximum, but then when we're using attack spells, we might want to re-equip gear to maximize offensive spell potency instead.

Then his question was, is there a way to make that happen in practice? (Currently using gear swap macro is so slow if you're swapping more than 1 piece of gear, so it's not quite practical especially in battle situation.)

Yeah I remember back when I was playing mage in FFXI, we have to carry 8 elemental staves and swap the staff to the corresponding element to help with our spell damage. Unlike here, all gear were changed instantly when we hit the macro.


By the way, I thought we get stat penalty when we change gear mid-fight. Also, we can't change gear while engaged, I thought. Or is that because I'm melee and am always in active mode? (And yeah his question was about mages.)

My concern for gear swapping is how your character has to reload every time you make a switch, making your character invisible. If you make switching your entire gear set instant, people will use it like they did in FFXI, which is to say, before every action they take and after said action is complete.

In FFXI, this created a problem for console players because they could neither switch as much gear as PC users and it made targeting characters who were constantly gear swapping very difficult (which could mean messing up a life saving spell as a healer job). The PC had hacks that helped you deal with these problems, but console players were screwed.

If you expect the PS3 version to save 14's bacon, you really can't implement features that put them at a serious disadvantage to PC users, or ones that make gameplay awkward, such as a party full of untargetable, constantly reloading characters from all the gear swapping they're doing .

If they could make gear swapping work in a way that works equally smooth for PC and console users alike, then I have no problem with it. But I really think there are better ways to improve your character's performance than a Sailor Moon routine before every nuke and Provoke.

@yukikaza: I'm not 100% sure what you mean by that, but I take it you mean that they have said/insinuated before that they are against gear swapping? If so, I missed it, and my point is mute I guess. Will just be one of those things I will miss from an old game.

Edit: Just saw the rest of the posts responding to me.

Swapping gear shouldn't affect the players visibility anyway. I'd go as far as calling this a bug. But currently the game has serious problems with invisible or misplaced characters anyway :P
And I don't think we need or want any mid-fight gearswapping. More like between fights to change from water to fire gear or from aoe dd to single target dd.

Just to clarify, I'm not asking for gear swap support during battle. Although I loved it in FFXI, this is a different game and is not designed to play the same way. As Eruantien already stated, changes in gear stats do not take effect until all claimed mobs are killed, if you change gear mid-fight.

I'm simply asking for instant gear changes between classes or, for example, swapping different gear sets in the middle of a dungeon (not while engaged or incurring enmity). At the moment it can take upwards of 10-15 seconds just to change from one class to another. This may seem like a short time, but when you're bound to one spot for that long just to change classes it can be pretty annoying.

Forgot about that penalty they had a long time ago, haven't heard anything about is sense I played during beta and it slipped my mind. I played FFXI on ps2 for 4ish years I think before switching over to a new computer and don't remember ever having problems with gear changing speeds, then again it was a long time ago. On my computer I never used the 3rd party programs that swapped all your gear on a single macro, I had 2-3 macros for some spells on RDM and BLM just for a single cast, would hit the main gear macros then have the staff/grip/waist on the spell macro. Kept my fingers moving and gave me a rushing feel while playing mage jobs, was always hitting something on my keyboard.

Sorry I derailed your thread a tad bit Meowy, I would have to agree that it would be nice not have to blink for 10-15 sec to change classes.

Yoshi has already said he did NOT want the ability to swap gear in battle like n XI to be available. It was an absolute ridiculous concept anyway! "I'm about to go HADUKEN on his ass, but wait, I must change my pants!".

I agree the 1sec wait can be annoying as is the forced character standstill while runnong and changing gear. But please no pant change battles!

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Originally Posted by Terabyt3

"I'm about to go HADUKEN on his ass, but wait, I must change my pants!".

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That kind of perspective can be said about almost everything in the game lol

The delay has absolute nothing to do with gear swapping restrictions anyway due to the stat debuff you get from changing during battle. So it has to do with something else, maybe they dont want spamming, idk?

i assume the delay was intended so multiple action commands worked, but since you cant queue abilities anymore it makes it a bit mute.

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Originally Posted by Eruantien

i assume the delay was intended so multiple action commands worked, but since you cant queue abilities anymore it makes it a bit mute.

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It's moot (which means deprived of practical significance), not mute (which means unable to speak).

Actually there is not a /wait in between macro lines. What's taking so long is that engine has to redraw your character in-between each piece of gear that is swapped and during that redraw you can not equip another piece of gear. That is why if you make a macro with all your gear swaps but without waits, you will get many pieces that will not equip. To actually make a gear macro fully function you have to include /wait in-between each line.

To test if there is a /wait in-between each line try making a macro that is:
/echo line1
/echo line2

They will both go off instantly...

I made all my class change macro with following equipment swap lines consecutively without manual /wait. It works all the time.

But the /echo lines do show up one by one very quickly, not seeming like there's a hidden 1 second between.

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Originally Posted by Terabyt3

It was an absolute ridiculous concept anyway! "I'm about to go HADUKEN on his ass, but wait, I must change my pants!"

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So is the ability to change classes just by switching my weapon.

"Oh you need me as a gladiator? K, lemme drop my axe and pick up a sword which will somehow give me ungodly prowess in the art of swordplay!"

The main problem is the fact the interface is serverside, so there's always going to be an innate delay, which is why this "hidden 1 second" exists, to allow the server to properly register it.

There definately is a wait between commands. But the macro system is broken and the wait is always different even if you manually set it. Changing the gear with the gear menu has no such delays.

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Originally Posted by Jennestia

So is the ability to change classes just by switching my weapon.

"Oh you need me as a gladiator? K, lemme drop my axe and pick up a sword which will somehow give me ungodly prowess in the art of swordplay!"

The main problem is the fact the interface is serverside, so there's always going to be an innate delay, which is why this "hidden 1 second" exists, to allow the server to properly register it.

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Well you're hardly going to get "ungodly swordplay" with an axe are you?


Edit: Also you cannot change weapons/class in fight. It's not entirely ridiculous that if you change to using a sword from axe and you have previous experience you're gonna know how to ruddy use the thing.

Anyway the arguement is about changing equips mid-battle. which you can't, which you shouldnt, it's ridiculous

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Originally Posted by Jennestia

So is the ability to change classes just by switching my weapon.

"Oh you need me as a gladiator? K, lemme drop my axe and pick up a sword which will somehow give me ungodly prowess in the art of swordplay!"

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Because as we've seen in real life, a gold-medal Olympic fencer is always the best at boxing as soon as they drop their sword put the gloves on. No need to practice, or anything! :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by AmyRae

Because as we've seen in real life, a gold-medal Olympic fencer is always the best at boxing as soon as they drop their sword put the gloves on. No need to practice, or anything! :rolleyes:

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I think the analogy is more apt when comparing a fencer trying to box with their foil. If the gold medal fencer is also an olympian boxer due to years of training (FFXIV equivalent of levelling-up), then yes, it is entirely feasible that by dropping a foil and picking up boxing gloves they will be quite formidable at boxing.

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Originally Posted by OriginalHungerforce

Actually there is not a /wait in between macro lines. What's taking so long is that engine has to redraw your character in-between each piece of gear that is swapped and during that redraw you can not equip another piece of gear. That is why if you make a macro with all your gear swaps but without waits, you will get many pieces that will not equip. To actually make a gear macro fully function you have to include /wait in-between each line.

To test if there is a /wait in-between each line try making a macro that is:
/echo line1
/echo line2

They will both go off instantly...

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This seems to be true for any type of chat, but as far as ability use and gear swapping goes, there is a wait between them.

You can change your gear faster by spamming your macro instead of hitting it just once. And when changing to a class that cant be your current gear, it all gets removed at once. It has nothing to do with the game needing to draw each piece before equipping the next (keep i mind the game has to draw "no gear" as well).

Whatever is causing it, I hope they fix/remove it.

I just wanted to stop by in here to let you know that in 2.0 you will be able to save equipment sets for each class instead of having to create equipment changing macros. :)

And to add to MeowyWowie’s post, we are also looking into increasing the speed of executing macros. Thanks for your feedback in regards to this!

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Originally Posted by Rukkirii

I just wanted to stop by in here to let you know that in 2.0 you will be able to save equipment sets for each class instead of having to create equipment changing macros. :)

And to add to MeowyWowie’s post, we are also looking into increasing the speed of executing macros. Thanks for your feedback in regards to this!

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Equipment sets would be very nice.

2.0 is so long away, though...I hope it can be put in earlier than that.

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Originally Posted by Rukkirii

I just wanted to stop by in here to let you know that in 2.0 you will be able to save equipment sets for each class instead of having to create equipment changing macros. :)

And to add to MeowyWowie’s post, we are also looking into increasing the speed of executing macros. Thanks for your feedback in regards to this!

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Awesome, Thank you!

Yeah, YoshiP mention this. Something about mannequin.

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Originally Posted by Arumat

@yukikaza: I'm not 100% sure what you mean by that, but I take it you mean that they have said/insinuated before that they are against gear swapping? If so, I missed it, and my point is mute I guess. Will just be one of those things I will miss from an old game.

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Answer to the "I missed it"

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Originally Posted by Bayohne

Spoke with Battle Master Matsui to get the lowdown on the whole gear swapping question that's got you all buzzin'. In regards to swapping gear while in battle, since changing certain gear while in battle will change your class in FFXIV, we're not planning to make it possible to swap gear in battle. This direction will not change in the future.

We are focusing instead on making adjustments with the battle-related fixes to ensure that you can battle to your utmost ability without having to rely on changing gear multiple times mid-fight.

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Originally Posted by AmyRae

It's moot (which means deprived of practical significance), not mute (which means unable to speak).

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Actually it's moo.