Vote Abandon should be removed

Or at least require a 75% (or higher) "Yes" vote to go through.

Why should half of the 24-man alliance be able to kick the other half out, thus making us wait 20+ minutes for another queue, on top of the 30+ minutes we spent in the raid anyways? If people don't like how things are going, they can leave, and be replaced.

With how people are still so bad at Weeping City, at least half of the groups I go in get Vote Abandoned, when people should of just left.

And in my experience, the people bringing up the Vote Abandon (or leaving because it didn't pass) are usually the problem, anyways.

While its not very useful in say, 24 man raids, It has its uses elsewhere, where its actually needed. The problem with weeping city is that people go in and do the bare minimum amount of work and that leads to problems when people fail to do mechanics or forget about them and cause wipes. Either way, it shouldn't be removed, and the required number of people shouldn't be increased, its fine as is, and will effect what its used for in other content to avoid getting penaltys.

This would just lead to a person being kicked so others can freely leave (which happens sometimes as is).

All I know is that it is luck of the draw but nowadays it seems that more and more people get in on WC runs that do not have a clue as to how it works and it is becoming a royal pain to find a good group anymore. And the vote system does require a certain percentage so if most people feel like it is time to bail then maybe it is a blessing, I would rather wait 20 more minutes than spend a real long and painful hour to just keep wiping and having ZERO fun

It would be nice to see who initiated it and who voted with yes or no.

Most of the time, there is only one person who wants to abandon it, while most other people still wants trying to clear it.

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Originally Posted by Risvertasashi

This would just lead to a person being kicked so others can freely leave (which happens sometimes as is).

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I am pretty sure if you kick someone, you still take the penalty if you leave. In fact, I am almost certain of it.

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Originally Posted by TheCurls

I am pretty sure if you kick someone, you still take the penalty if you leave. In fact, I am almost certain of it.

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No you won't. If you leave a group that is not full, you don't get a penalty, did this often enough.

And i don't think vote abandon should be removed because sometimes it is just not possible to clear something with the group that you have. But i agree with Cait that it would be nice to see who started the vote.

I'd rather they implement a fix to Vote Abandon spam similar to how they had to adjust Ready Check since it too was being spammed when it was first implemented.

Got in a Weeping City run last night/early this morning where aside from minor mishaps we were doing okay. But someone insisted on hitting Vote Abandon every time between fights. So yeah, there really needs to be a once-per-instance limit on it or something. I also remember one time someone had the gall to initiate it at the same time as a Ready Check was being done, attempting to fool people into hitting "Yes" on the abandon when they were going for "Yes" on the Ready Check.

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Originally Posted by Ninster

There really needs to be a once-per-instance limit on it or something.

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More like a once per 3-5 minutes is more like it, this way it can't be spammed, but it can keep its intended use.

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Originally Posted by Risvertasashi

This would just lead to a person being kicked so others can freely leave (which happens sometimes as is).

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Well what about this: Instead of having the vote to abandon run, we could have a vote to remove the leave penalty for few minutes.

We already have players waiting to be kicked sometimes, so with this we would be able to excuse them - or not :P

The initiator should be identified so that the lack of anonymity deters some trigger happy participants I think.

Agreed that rather than remove VA, it should be made less anonymous or put on a timer. It's useful in situations where the party comp simply cannot overcome the content.

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Originally Posted by Knahli

The initiator should be identified so that the lack of anonymity deters some trigger happy participants I think.

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The whole point of it being anonymous is so that people can't be heckled or kicked simply because they use the system to suggest abandoning the Duty. If they showed the person who initiated it then they might as well show who is voting for the kick and who is not while they're at it.

In terms of a timer, I've never seen someone actually do Vote Abandons back to back, they normally do it 5-8 minutes apart and after every wipe/pull if the party is having major problems.

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Originally Posted by The_Last_Dragoon

The whole point of it being anonymous is so that people can't be heckled or kicked simply because they use the system to suggest abandoning the Duty. If they showed the person who initiated it then they might as well show who is voting for the kick and who is not while they're at it.

In terms of a timer, I've never seen someone actually do Vote Abandons back to back, they normally do it 5-8 minutes apart and after every wipe/pull if the party is having major problems.

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Not to mention that people who WANT to be kicked would use vote abandon to get their name on display so they can get a pass to leave.

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Originally Posted by The_Last_Dragoon

The whole point of it being anonymous is so that people can't be heckled or kicked simply because they use the system to suggest abandoning the Duty. If they showed the person who initiated it then they might as well show who is voting for the kick and who is not while they're at it.

In terms of a timer, I've never seen someone actually do Vote Abandons back to back, they normally do it 5-8 minutes apart and after every wipe/pull if the party is having major problems.

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A kick being anonymous makes perfect sense because that will inevitably cause tension between the person who initiated it and the target/their friends regardless of whether it succeeds or not.

A vote to abandon affects the entire party and if you do not feel confident enough that it is a justified suggestion then you should not be doing it in the first place. If you have the audacity to force people out of a run who did not want to give up after one or two wipes then you should at least have the integrity to own your decision. Right now, people are free to cower behind the anonymous vote because they know they cannot be directly challenged or questioned about it.