In FFXI she had a big personality and a particular manner of speech. I know it's a completely different character in XIV (despite being the same model) ... but she just seems so....boring.
Anyone else bored by Cait Sith?
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08-10-2016, 01:06 PMJonnycbadAnyone else bored by Cait Sith?
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08-10-2016, 03:35 PMCilia
Pretty sure Cait Sith is a dude... assuming Cait Sith has a sexual identity.
... and no, it's not going to be like XI Cait Sith because this isn't XI. -
08-10-2016, 04:51 PMRocl
In FFXIV, Cait Sith is a he, in XI Cait Sith was a she. I can see the confusion.
One was a living deus ex machina and the other is a particularly long-lived magical familiar, but yea I don't see the point in comparing. Cait Sith was a major character in a XI expansion (whose storyline was delayed and drawn out over the course of what felt like ninety years), here he's a major character in one quest line. It's trying to compare Nidhoggs--you shouldn't because while they have the same name and outward appearance, they're totally different things. -
08-10-2016, 11:28 PMLineageRazor
Cait Sith in FFXI had certain peculiarities. Mannerisms. Quirks. Short phrases and redundancies, much in the way of Kobolds did she speak. She was also one in many. Many in one. Legion. Not all were in accord, and not all were good. No, no, some were not good at all. Cruel. Treacherous. A very unique personality, yes. Or personalities. A most intriguing individual. Or dividual.
It's true that Cait Sith in this game so far is pretty bland - though, to be fair, right now we only have Cait's own word that he's on the up-and-up. It's entirely possible that he has some angle that he hasn't revealed yet. It'd be interesting if he was trying to fulfill some Mhachi agenda left to him by his master that will cause him to turn on us at some point. While his master was supposedly a great pacifist as far as Mhachi sorcerers went, it was Cait Sith himself that told us that, so who's to say for sure? -
08-10-2016, 11:48 PMMimiluThe OP isn't asking for Cait Sith to be a clone of their XI counterpart, the OP is asking for Cait Sith to have a more interesting personality like they think the XI one does.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cilia
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08-11-2016, 02:03 AMCiliaGiven XI veterans' proclivity towards wanting things in XIV to be like they were in XI, it may be an assumption but it's not an entirely unfair one, especially given there are other Cait Siths in the franchise but XI's was specifically called out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mimilu
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08-11-2016, 02:07 AMHeliantheaeWHAT!? But those eyelashes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rocl
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08-11-2016, 04:36 AMFenral
'E doe'n't 'ave 'n ootrageous Sco'ish accent like 'e did in FF7 neither.
Wasted potential, considering the Celtic influences all over the Mhachi lore. -
08-11-2016, 06:36 AMRoclAye!Quote:
Originally Posted by Heliantheae
I have to agree, the lack of Scottish accents in the Mhach arc is pretty disappointing. I hope Scathach comes out her tomb with a right doozy of an accent to make up for it.Quote:
Stacia: Cait Sith has his furry little head buried in that book, learnin' as much as he can about the Nullstone. I think I'll use this time to do some studyin' of my own─“know thine enemy,” and all that.
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08-11-2016, 01:15 PMLaili
If Cait Sith survives the Mhach happenings I want him to be involved in the 60-70 BLM quests (assuming 4.0 follows the same class leveling structure of course). Seems like a pretty good character to be learning new BLM disciplines from.
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08-11-2016, 09:29 PMFenral
I'd like Shadow of Mhach to be the raid that proves that "status quo" doesn't have to mean "kill 'em all." I think between Crystal Tower and Heavensward, they've pretty much run out of heroic sacrifice cards to play, so hopefully Cait Sith will get a "see you next time" sort of resolution and not "goodbye forever." Mhach isn't Allag, after all, so there's no risk to the MSQ.
But not holding my breath. -
08-12-2016, 05:03 AMenthauptet
Cait sith is going to jump into the robot suit again and blast off into the FF7 remake lol. There's the new event tie-in.
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08-12-2016, 06:04 PMAlice_89thI am kind of hoping he will stick around with the sky pirates.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenral
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08-14-2016, 11:37 PMChandraNoctis
I don't trust Cait Sith in FFXIV. He's too convienient.
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08-15-2016, 01:28 AMCilia
I'm expecting Cait Sith to die from inexperience with the Nullstone; he'll have to overload it to banish Scathach and, being an unexperienced magical familiar, the power will be too much for him to handle and he'll finally... be unmade.
... you know, even if Cait Sith is just a magical familiar without much characterization, I hope SE does betray my expectations on this... -
08-15-2016, 01:40 AMFenral
But how else will we understand the cost of our battle? /dramaticswoon
Seriously though, it's hard to fault people in Eorzea for not doing the right thing more often when the "right thing" is almost invariably depicted as altruistic suicide.
We can all benefit from building a better world. Enlightened self-interest, it's a thing. -
08-15-2016, 01:43 AMNalien
Perhaps it's just because Wings of the Goddess had an absolutely horrendous timetable for story quests, but I don't really recall Cait Sith being particularly interesting at all... Mysterious cat with some clones, only really entertaining when playing off Lilisette (which reminds me, why is human/elf cross-breed the only thing SE does?)... Naturally though, XIs should be more interesting that XIVs just because XIs was effectively a main story character, XIVs is a side story character... I find XIVs more interesting though, just because he is effectively the sole survivor of Mhach (more interesting than "Altana is a mad cat lady", IMO) and actually accompanying us through the raid was an easy way to skyrocket my opinion of the little furball... Those little comments throughout the raid provide far more character than some obnoxious speech quirk, IMO...
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08-15-2016, 01:44 AMKeramory
Yeah I get they're different sith (ha...sith) but this one, FFXI or not, is boring. We already have a few bland nerd characters as it is, having some fault or character would have gone a long way.
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08-15-2016, 04:53 AMCilia
For the repeated heroic sacrifices, I'm chalking it up to the fact this is a Japanese game. Even though the setting is quite Western (I think? Ul'dah definitely is... and Ishgard is quite English... the other two I'm not too sure), the collectivist social attitude will still bleed through by virtue of this and as such heroic characters will never put their own interests ahead of the collective (a.k.a. greater) good.
Nearly every hero that has died has done so in defense of the greater, collective good. "Look to those who walked before to lead those who walk after," after all. No sacrifice is too great in the name of the greater good... even though "sacrifice" is often tantamount to suicide and the repeated sacrifices are slowly shredding up the hearts of those who still live. The WoL's PTSD is borderline canon at this point... even though we managed to save Estinien, there's no telling how long that brighter mood will last if 4.0 is going to be war for Ala Mhigo's liberation.
The one exception to this may be Haurchefant, who seems to have taken the bullet for you out of personal affection and nothing more, and his death was completely senseless. No doubt why it had such a bigger impact on me compared to the others...
As for why half-elves (human / elf) are the only biracial... race? Characters? Ahh, whatever... half-elves show up instead of anything else because they're the easiest to model. Take elf ears or pointy human ears and stick them on a human model. That's all they did for Hilda - besides the pseudo-elezen ears, she's got a normal Midlander Hyur female model. And that's assuming they bother with a unique model for half-elves at all - Arator the Redeemer, the half-elf son of Turalyon and Alleria from World of Warcraft, just uses a normal elf model. It should also be noted that half-elves are a Dungeons and Dragons staple, from which a lot of fantasy games draw inspiration, so there is precedent for it. (Half-elves make great spoony bards!)
A biracial character from most any other coupling would require either a unique model or genetics to be handwaved and just saying "[Race A] x [Race B] always produces [Race (A/B)]," i.e. "Roegadyn x Lalafell always produces Lalafell." -
08-15-2016, 05:23 AMFenralI thought that. For a long time, actually. Maybe nearly drove myself crazy turning the idea over in my head and asking myself if the problem is just that I'm too naive and selfish to understand the nobility of it all. As it turns out, for all the value Japanese media tends to place on sacrifice, there's also a goodly amount of criticism and deconstruction of that psychology going on as well (Yuki Yuna and Rampo Kitan come to mind, plus basically anything else directed by Seiji Kishi, including the latest Danganronpa anime). There's really no other country on the planet that has seen both sides of that coin in the same way Japan has.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cilia
But hoo, boy did we take that in a dark direction. Cait Sith will be fine. I'm actually hoping he pulls a Reeve out of his proverbial hat and fakes us out with a, "You didn't think that was my main body, did you?" gag. -
08-15-2016, 12:56 PMSuperFlorinjinPretty sure Ishgard is actually more French than English.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cilia
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08-15-2016, 03:00 PMCiliaI could go on, but to keep it concise: having works that criticize and question social issues doesn't mean they aren't present (or: American works often criticize our materialism, yet it remains almost blatantly obvious).Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenral
Like I said earlier, I'm holding my breath with Cait Sith. I expect him to die, but I will be pleasantly surprised if that expectation is betrayed.
Kind of beside the point...Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperFlorinjin
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08-15-2016, 10:44 PMFenralThere's... a desire for change there, is all I meant. I keep clinging on to the moments in FFXIV that trigger my "Isn't this actually pretty [kupo]ed up?" alarms hoping that the director is just playing the long game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cilia
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08-15-2016, 11:37 PMRocl
What other NPCs have actually traversed dungeons with us outside of Cait Sith? Surito Carlito? Cid? Cait Sith deserves a lot more respect than y'all give him, for real.
Alphinaud and Aymeric also took part in the Sohr Khai trial but like, we didn't see them. Cait Sith walking around giving us a sightseeing tour, man. -
08-16-2016, 09:47 AMMonochromeMadame
I like her character model in this one.
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08-16-2016, 08:17 PMAillith
I'm really hoping for a plot twist to cait.
A betrayal of some type is typically what i expect. Perhaps it could be a betrayal for a well meaning cause?
Perhaps he has someone trapped in the void he intends to save and needed us to get the nullstone so he could do it? -
08-16-2016, 09:07 PMNalienHe doesn't (yet), but we sure as hell do... Why we're not busting open Crystal Tower, ignoring G'hara, and jumping back into the World of Darkness to save Unei by Nullstone-blasting Cloud of Dankness, I'm not quite sure...Quote:
Originally Posted by Aillith
I guess that's pretty much why something bad is going to have to happen... No way is the Nullstone just going to happily remain in our possession after the Shadow of Mhach is finished up... Either it, or its wielder, will be gone by the end... -
08-16-2016, 09:23 PMAlaltusIf Ishgard are the french then Dravania are the english. =PQuote:
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08-16-2016, 09:40 PMFenralCan this please end with Nero finding the Nullstone, setting up an arc for him about reclaiming the Crystal Tower, chastising G'raha, and pulling Unei (plus Doga) out of the Void in 4.0? Pretty please?Quote:
Originally Posted by Nalien
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08-21-2016, 10:20 AMKotemonIt depends on the writing. Was a male controlling a robot FF7. In XI I'm almost certain that each one of the individual variants of Cait Sith was their own gender with overlapping mannerisms. Until one big Cait Sith climbed out of Atomos after swallowing the remaining ones.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rocl
In XIV, I can't quite tell because it is a very updated version of the model used in XI. Hence why the eyelashes, throw me off because the minion does look more girly with them. While the NPC is about as ambiguous as the models used for dragons and other beast races. Although to be honest I'm hoping they don't do a twist ending and have the cat being a voidsent in disguise the whole time. With this being a power play among the voidsent, she/he is wearing a crown. Otherwise I hope Cait Sith is still around after the story. That Lalafell may still need something to bear hug every now and then. -
08-23-2016, 04:12 PMChocoFeru
From Cait Sith I expected more 1.0 info about the voidsent and Atomos etc, yet he/she doesn't talk about it, so I guess we won't get a clear explanation about why Atomos showed up in 1.0 and invaded with voidsents.
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08-24-2016, 04:21 AMMilesSaintboroguhWhatever 1.0 stuff that is talked about seems to be only from the Coil. The devs really want to leave 1.0 behind.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChocoFeru