[MCH Request] Premature Wildfire Trigger

Hello,

I really think it would be awesome if there would be a way to detonate Wildfire prematurely for fights where enemies become invulnerable or they're about to die before the timer expires. It could be the same button, so press once to apply, press again to detonate prematurely if needed.

Hope this reaches you guys!

Speak up MCHs. We got to hide the Gauss Barrel by speaking up about it.

I fully support this idea.

Signed. Completely useless in Deep Dungeon as everything dies so fast in a party that Wildfire never triggers.

Sound very good to me :D
/liked and signed

Fei, you're a genius! Yes, please!

Or extend it on a 2-3 min CD.

Btw

I sign too.

i hope they hear us out and do something for us!

Nice idea! They just should make press wildfire again detonate it.

That's a great idea !!! Please, SE, fulfill our MCH dream !
We all get so disappointed when our WF doesnt trigger...

Why bother with a button press? Just have a condition that automatically triggers Wildfire if the mob's health decreases below the stored damage. You'll never want to detonate prematurely in any other case.

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Originally Posted by DarthVella

Why bother with a button press? Just have a condition that automatically triggers Wildfire if the mob's health decreases below the stored damage. You'll never want to detonate prematurely in any other case.

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Except for how there's many many many bosses who change phases and go invulnerable.

I agree with this. It would be a wonderful addition.

Signed.

This has been brought up before but didn't catch any traction.
A detonate option for wildfire should definitely be added. I think it can prevent people from goin mch in progression because wildfire can be so unforgiving. What If smn couldn't end dwt early with a deathflare because they had to wait the full 15 seconds. Missing out on that finisher is so depressing lol :(

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Originally Posted by Greedalox

Except for how there's many many many bosses who change phases and go invulnerable.

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I apologise. Somehow I missed that part of the original post.

Taking that into consideration, Wildfire would either need to go off the instant a boss goes invulnerable, and potentially miss some uptime it could have afterwards; or delay itself until a boss is no longer invulnerable, which seems kinda like cheating, given that other classes don't have an option to keep their buffs up during down phases.

Quite right. A manual detonation option is the best solution.

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Originally Posted by TomShane

This has been brought up before but didn't catch any traction.
A detonate option for wildfire should definitely be added. I think it can prevent people from goin mch in progression because wildfire can be so unforgiving. What If smn couldn't end dwt early with a deathflare because they had to wait the full 15 seconds. Missing out on that finisher is so depressing lol :(

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i hope this time we catch someones attention regarding this, like any answer is ok, if they even say that its designed like what it is currently or looking into it, like any answer at least we get someone looking into it.

also yeah, that smn point is spot on, exactly the same thing, imagine them having to go through with deathflare on a 15 seconds waiting time before it actually go off.

Manual detonation might seem like a good idea, but MCH will still be suffering a large DPS loss with manual detonation. The SMN Deathflare example just means SMN is only losing out on Ruin III's. Prematurely detonating Wildfire is a much larger loss.

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Originally Posted by lulunami

Manual detonation might seem like a good idea, but MCH will still be suffering a large DPS loss with manual detonation. The SMN Deathflare example just means SMN is only losing out on Ruin III's. Prematurely detonating Wildfire is a much larger loss.

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You know what's a bigger DPS loss than manual detonation? Wildfire not detonating.

Surely this is only an issue if you don't know the fight? Why apply wildfire if the boss is going to phase change soon? I've never heard any of the MCH I've played with complain about this.

Yes please. Same button be default, please. (Maybe a 3s safety or whatever to keep people from accidentally double-hitting it and blowing it instantly.)

Would also love to see the cancel be the default for a second press on a few other skills, like Blood for Blood, if we need an excuse for a MCH QoL change...

(Also, looking at you ammo. At worst case, grant 5 stacks of ammo and have the reload CD start at 30 seconds remaining and the Quick Reload at its full cooldown automatically at match start in PvP.)

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Originally Posted by NovaLevossida

You know what's a bigger DPS loss than manual detonation? Wildfire not detonating.

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Or it detonating while the target is invulnerable. >w>

I agree, I've suggested this in other threads before. It's the one thing I really just don't like about Machinist is the lack of control over Wildfire given that it is such a key element to damage output.

Well, that's the kind of thing that is corrected by fight knowledge. It's not really that different than using a buff right before a phase change where the boss becomes untargetable/invulnerable.

I think this could be saved for a future expansion.

Machinists could be given a new attack that, if used during wildfire, gets a big potency boost and detonates Wildfire instantly.

Manual detonation? Yes, please. To many cases where Wildfire was wasted T_T

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Originally Posted by DarkerOrange

Surely this is only an issue if you don't know the fight? Why apply wildfire if the boss is going to phase change soon? I've never heard any of the MCH I've played with complain about this.

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this is most likely true except in cases where you may have been able to fit another wildfire in the fight if you don't hold it.

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Originally Posted by AxelDH

I think this could be saved for a future expansion.

Machinists could be given a new attack that, if used during wildfire, gets a big potency boost and detonates Wildfire instantly.

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That seems an awfully button-bloated way to fix an oversight. Not to mention that it'd then be an awful lot like Deathflare, but with a slightly different sense of compromise.

The easiest fix, if anything, is to just store a Deathblow mechanic. If the mob's HP falls under the stored Wildfire value, the Wildfire (is instantly consumed and) the mob instantly dies. It doesn't have the same element of control to push a phase, whenever that might still be relevant, but it fixes issues against quick-dying mobs perfectly.

MCH needs anything they can get in their state..

I would love this! I rarely play anything but WHM these days, but I have been keeping my MCH geared

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Originally Posted by Norleas

in their state..

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What state? MCH is still a very powerfull class, when played right.

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Originally Posted by KarstenS

What state? MCH is still a very powerfull class, when played right.

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The state that puts you on the bottom of the dps board and being the least played class. Yeah, that state...

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Originally Posted by Norleas

The state that puts you on the bottom of the dps board and being the least played class. Yeah, that state...

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Looking at the statistics on fflogs, Machinists tend to perform better than most DPS classes on A5 and A7, and are actually the highest performers on A6 on average. Their average DPS on A8 is on the lower end of the scale though, roughly tied with Bards.

Based on the number of recorded logs for each class over this entire raid tier, Summoners seem to be the least played DPS class, followed by Machinists.

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Originally Posted by AxelDH

Looking at the statistics on fflogs, Machinists tend to perform better than most DPS classes on A5 and A7, and are actually the highest performers on A6 on average. Their average DPS on A8 is on the lower end of the scale though, roughly tied with Bards.

Based on the number of recorded logs for each class over this entire raid tier, Summoners seem to be the least played DPS class, followed by Machinists.

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From personal experience, I see summoners a bit more than once a week in duties, and MCHs not so much. Maybe I underestimated MCHs a bit, but I still hardly ever see any (of course I see some here and there though). I personally cannot find a way to make MCH dps good with Gauss barrel, except for the initial wildfire burst.

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Originally Posted by Norleas

From personal experience, I see summoners a bit more than once a week in duties, and MCHs not so much.

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There is more than just 4 man instances.

Then alot of people, like me, do not run them anymore, as there is no need for more tomes.

And then is your experience very limited. Your MCH is not 60. You don't know how to play MCH, as you said yourself. You have not done Midas normal very often. You have not finished welping City at all. No Thordan Ex. No Sephi Ex. No Nidhogg Ex. No Savage.

So where is your "relevant" experience to say they are "on the bottom of the dps board"?

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Originally Posted by Norleas

The state that puts you on the bottom of the dps board and being the least played class. Yeah, that state...

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You have clearly no idea what you're talking about. MCH is in a REALLY good place at the moment and outperforms BRD by a significant amount, and even some of the other jobs in certain duties.

I don't really play machinist but a raid mate dies and I think this would be a great idea.