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07-20-2016, 05:06 AM
heynowjose

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Never has an on screen message encapsulated how disappointed I am.

Palace of the Dead is a grind, and what a grind it is. And for what?

My biggest problem is that the "rewards" are lame. And that they're locked behind a ridiculously boring grind. It's not even that long just boring.

The fact that your odds of having your aetherpool arm and armor increase are soooo low once you've reached the halfway point is just not worth it. You have to run the first 40 floors again and again with no reward whatsoever to get to floors 40-50 to then have better odds of increaing your aetherpool stuff. Maybe it's just me but I guess I'm good. Before the SE stans come for me I just wont be doing PotD
07-20-2016, 05:14 AM
AlphaFox

Might just be their way of trying to pad it out till the remaining floors are brought out but I admit, if this is true (working, sadly cant try it much) then I can imagine a lot of people disliking this =/
07-20-2016, 05:14 AM
StrejdaTom

Two words: Vertical progression.
How can you get worthwhile rewards when there are only a few stat setups on each gear? 235 weapon? Cool. Already have 240 or 235 weapons even for jobs that I don't have leveled, untill we get horizontal progression with gear that also has special passive abilities so we get the motivation to get gear from many different zones, I am just doing it for the lolz and thanks god I am still getting the lolz, not sure for how long though. :)

Basically there is no worthwhile reward as you can already get your weapon from multiple sources (a few exceptions can be found with bad stat assignment) untill something changes with itemization.
07-20-2016, 05:15 AM
CGMidlander

Are you upset that SE designed this content to last for probably more than one day?
07-20-2016, 05:31 AM
heynowjose

no.I'm upset that Se design this context to essentially be a super easy boring dungeon that takes about 4 hours to complete from floor 1 to 50 with rewards that aren't worth those 4 hours.
If it at least wasn't boring I'd be into it. But man is it boring
07-20-2016, 05:33 AM
Felis

I'm dissapointed to see many threads of the same theme on page 1 again
07-20-2016, 05:37 AM
Skivvy

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Originally Posted by Felis

I'm dissapointed to see many threads of the same theme on page 1 again

Welcome to day after patch. Enjoy!
07-20-2016, 06:36 AM
Genaxx

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When enhancing gear, there is a chance of failure that varies depending on the current level of your gear and the floor where the silver coffer is found.

This was probably put in to stop people running 1-10 over and over to gear up. Do higher levels.
07-20-2016, 06:46 AM
hobostew

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Originally Posted by Genaxx

This was probably put in to stop people running 1-10 over and over to gear up. Do higher levels.

The problem is that in order to do the higher levels any additional times after the first you have to reset your entire progress and start again from level 1. It would be less tedious if you could queue for specific brackets after you've completed them (even at a reduced rate) than having to go 1-30 seeing no gains until you're back at the "appropriate" level range.
07-20-2016, 06:49 AM
Genaxx

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Originally Posted by hobostew

The problem is that in order to do the higher levels any additional times after the first you have to reset your entire progress and start again from level 1. It would be less tedious if you could queue for specific brackets after you've completed them (even at a reduced rate) than having to go 1-30 seeing no gains until you're back at the "appropriate" level range.

I know, but without this people could get weapons in 1 day.
07-20-2016, 07:17 AM
Spawnie

god didnt relise there were so many sooky lalas playing ff14 these days ._. yoshi has already mentioned deep dungeon will be up to 200 floor with increasing diffculty yet all you see in forums 2day is deep dungeon is easy,s*cks, boring blah blah blah
07-20-2016, 07:23 AM
Recaldy

It's a lot of fun solo...until you get to the 2nd boss. QQ
07-20-2016, 07:44 AM
Icepick823

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Originally Posted by Spawnie

god didnt relise there were so many sooky lalas playing ff14 these days ._. yoshi has already mentioned deep dungeon will be up to 200 floor with increasing diffculty yet all you see in forums 2day is deep dungeon is easy,s*cks, boring blah blah blah

Is floor 200 out now? No it isn't. What's coming doesn't matter. What does is what we have right now. If people want to complain about what we got, that's fine.
07-20-2016, 07:46 AM
Felis

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Originally Posted by Recaldy

It's a lot of fun solo...until you get to the 2nd boss. QQ

I know
Did 2nd boss solo as DRK and suddenly i was dead. I think a hornet killed me.

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Originally Posted by Icepick823

Is floor 200 out now? No it isn't. What's coming doesn't matter. What does is what we have right now. If people want to complain about what we got, that's fine.

But still, why complaining now about something that was known since weeks?
07-20-2016, 07:49 AM
TankHunter678

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Originally Posted by Felis

I know
Did 2nd boss solo as DRK and suddenly i was dead. I think a hornet killed me.

The Hornets cast Final Sting and come in pairs, so they can automatically 1 shot you unless you kill one and at full health when the other's final sting goes off.
07-20-2016, 08:05 AM
Spawnie

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Originally Posted by Icepick823

Is floor 200 out now? No it isn't. What's coming doesn't matter. What does is what we have right now. If people want to complain about what we got, that's fine.

if ppl wanna be whiny little lalas and sook about something yoshi mentioned a whiles back since he stated early floors would be easy to do with increasing difficulty later on you mean
07-20-2016, 08:15 AM
Lendle

I am going to go out on a limb here, but I think what a lot of people are feeling at this point is, what exactly is our subscription buying? To me, and this is just my opinion, is this is really watered down content. It does not have a ton of depth, and in saying that something does not have to be hardcore or for the "leet" to have captivating depth to it, its diadem / exploration all over again. Im not really let down, I was just hoping something would come along that would hold my attention.
07-20-2016, 08:16 AM
Zarcoft

Wow some people never cease to amaze me, they gave us information on it a while back. But no you wanna rush to the end, and find out that you actually have to put in time and effort to get the worthwhile reward and you cry on the forums. No one is forcing you to do it, you feel it is a waste of time............well guess what DON'T DO IT!!!
07-20-2016, 08:20 AM
Zarcoft

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Originally Posted by Lendle

I am going to go out on a limb here, but I think what a lot of people are feeling at this point is, what exactly is our subscription buying? To me, and this is just my opinion, is this is really watered down content. It does not have a ton of depth, and in saying that something does not have to be hardcore or for the "leet" to have captivating depth to it, its diadem / exploration all over again. Im not really let down, I was just hoping something would come along that would hold my attention.

I got a really crazy idea.... if you feel your money is being wasted then don't sub and wait for something that will grab your attention, go play something else, or just quit.
07-20-2016, 08:23 AM
Lendle

I did ask earlier if you can be refunded pre-paid cash, It amazes me how butt hurt people get when others try to express how they feel in a civilized way. If I know there is a way to unsub and get my money back I would definatly go that route till next patch. Im not out on the game, its more of a "really SE" moment for me. If there is a way to re-coup pre paid subs, please inform me.
07-20-2016, 08:27 AM
mandodo69

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Originally Posted by heynowjose

Never has an on screen message encapsulated how disappointed I am.

Palace of the Dead is a grind, and what a grind it is. And for what?

My biggest problem is that the "rewards" are lame. And that they're locked behind a ridiculously boring grind. It's not even that long just boring.

The fact that your odds of having your aetherpool arm and armor increase are soooo low once you've reached the halfway point is just not worth it. You have to run the first 40 floors again and again with no reward whatsoever to get to floors 40-50 to then have better odds of increaing your aetherpool stuff. Maybe it's just me but I guess I'm good. Before the SE stans come for me I just wont be doing PotD

I went from BLM 54 to 55 and a half.

I would say it is a change of pace from fates and leves.

EDIT: I went through 1 all the way to 20 and was locked from 31+. BUT, I just ran 1-10 and we were set. All Deep Dungeon is done.
07-20-2016, 08:32 AM
Zarcoft

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Originally Posted by Lendle

It amazes me how butt hurt people get when others try to express how they feel in a civilized way. If I know there is a way to unsub and get my money back I would definatly go that route till next patch. Im not out on the game, its more of a "really SE" moment for me. If there is a way to re-coup pre paid subs, please inform me.

First, not butt hurt, I offered my point of view and some friendly advice, if you took it to heart not my problem sorry.

Second, maybe you should of read up on pre paid cards before using one?

Third, reading is fundamental.
07-20-2016, 08:33 AM
mandodo69

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Originally Posted by Icepick823

Is floor 200 out now? No it isn't. What's coming doesn't matter. What does is what we have right now. If people want to complain about what we got, that's fine.

Believe it or not, what IS coming is important and relevant.

If they gave you all the candy now, you'll just bitch that theres no more candy.

So, either way, you'll bitch and cry.
07-20-2016, 08:39 AM
Eul

OMG would you let us enjoy the fun and togetherness with friend to done palace of the dead rather complaining at first day of patch?! I still finish at 20th floor and I still enjoy it. Please don't being toxic since some still enjoy this stuff... (You can roast me if you disagree)
07-20-2016, 10:09 AM
Rydia

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Originally Posted by Eul

OMG would you let us enjoy the fun and togetherness with friend to done palace of the dead rather complaining at first day of patch?! I still finish at 20th floor and I still enjoy it. Please don't being toxic since some still enjoy this stuff... (You can roast me if you disagree)

Beat floor 1-50 within 4 hours and was disappointed because the game doesn't allowed you to go to one of the previous floors you were on and completed instead you have to start out at level 1 and go through it again limited by the remains unchanged until you get back up to level 60. I don't hate the place i just hate the fact I have to start out completely again.
07-20-2016, 10:31 AM
Spawnie

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Originally Posted by Rydia

Beat floor 1-50 within 4 hours and was disappointed because the game doesn't allowed you to go to one of the previous floors you were on and completed instead you have to start out at level 1 and go through it again limited by the remains unchanged until you get back up to level 60. I don't hate the place i just hate the fact I have to start out completely again.

the reason for that is probably due to people would just do 41-50 over n over again for mount n never go back
07-20-2016, 11:01 AM
mandodo69

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Originally Posted by Spawnie

the reason for that is probably due to people would just do 41-50 over n over again for mount n never go back

Yup. And people would get that grade v materia and ruin the market.
07-20-2016, 11:08 AM
Zohar_Lahar

One thing that probably would be nice is if the boss floors had a chest with equipment in it. I recall Nyzul Isle's bosses floors could give special equipment. In this case, it'd probably have to be just L.1 glamour, but it would be something.
07-20-2016, 11:11 AM
Lendle

The gear wouldnt even require stats, everyone knows glamour is the real endgame. Give me some rare lvl 1 non stat gear that looks awsome, not like im going to make use of 230 gear at this point anyways.
07-20-2016, 11:30 AM
Zohar_Lahar

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Originally Posted by Lendle

The gear wouldnt even require stats, everyone knows glamour is the real endgame. Give me some rare lvl 1 non stat gear that looks awsome, not like im going to make use of 230 gear at this point anyways.

They could even bring the gear from Nyzul Isle itself: Askar, Goliard, and Denali. Or something else altogether/
07-20-2016, 11:49 AM
Masekase_Hurricane

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Originally Posted by Rydia

Beat floor 1-50 within 4 hours and was disappointed because the game doesn't allowed you to go to one of the previous floors you were on and completed instead you have to start out at level 1 and go through it again limited by the remains unchanged until you get back up to level 60. I don't hate the place i just hate the fact I have to start out completely again.

I agree you should be able to select the floor you want to enter on after you have completed the floor
07-20-2016, 04:10 PM
Spawnie

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Originally Posted by mandodo69

Yup. And people would get that grade v materia and ruin the market.

pretty much i have so much fun going in with matched parties tbh never know what party your gonna get.. died on floor 50 boss with party earlier cause no heals but having to take things slow n carefully is a change from just massive pulls over n over again XD
07-20-2016, 04:17 PM
seekified

Meanwhile, I went in with my girlfriend and had a lot of fun. The floor 20 boss kicked our asses, but it was fun and interesting. Everything doesn't have to be a straight forward reward treadmill - go in with people you like and you'll have fun.
07-20-2016, 11:24 PM
Riardon

I'm amazed that resources and labor hours were spent for content which lasts 1 day or perhaps few days. They could integrate a more "hardcore: part of this now in order to gain feedback for the next floors and instead what they did? They made a 1 day mindless trash mob grind with no significant rewards. A boring short lived content nobody will remember or care in few days. Ofc we are whining bout this. SE made those forums for feedback and feedback shall be granted. It is boring, short lived, no "important" rewards, requires no real effort from the player to clear it. I know about the next 150 floors but that's in patch 3.45/3.5 which is loooooong way from now so I do not care for that. What we got now is just a boring mini-game which will die fast.
07-20-2016, 11:49 PM
Nalien

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Originally Posted by StrejdaTom

Basically there is no worthwhile reward as you can already get your weapon from multiple sources (a few exceptions can be found with bad stat assignment) untill something changes with itemization.

Eh, usually I'm completely on board with asking for more itemization, but it's pretty obvious what Palace of the Dead is meant to be with regards to the rewards; It's the "casual" version of Nidhogg... You have i235+ for everything because you're doing that content, plenty of people do not touch that content though... I certainly haven't, because I got tired of team jump rope fairly early on into 2.# and 3.0s undersized party option makes me glad I did so, I've had more fun solo/duo/etc.ing 2.# content than I've had with the majority of 3.# content... Palace of the Dead pretty much has that built in and it's fairly grindy, which I'm certainly not going to complain about... I've always wanted more content that I can just log on and do, either solo or with a handful of friends... Not everyone has a full static and not everyone enjoys the "Watch Mr.Happy guides then put up with man-children pointing the blame at everyone but themselves" culture that surrounds the "hardcore" content... This was not designed with people who have enough free time to study for boss fights in mind... Heck, it wasn't even entirely designed for people who are at the level cap... It's Levequest-level content, that's not to say it shouldn't be more engaging or challenging (contrary to popular belief, challenging and casual are not mutually exclusive), but that's the lens I'm viewing Palace of the Dead through...

That said... I don't need or care for these weapons... I'll take them on Jobs I "need" them on, but I'm perfectly happy playing XIV in as low as i200 at the moment... The vertical progression in this game is ridiculously stupid IMO, give me some horizontal progression or I simply don't care about gear until Lv70... I'll do some stuff (like the Relic quest) just to do stuff, but the actual rewards (as far as stats go, #GlamourIsTheTrueEndgame/etc.) have long since lost value for me... Such a shame gearing up in this game is closer to the original Final Fantasy, than something like Final Fantasy IX, which had a bloody amazing system for horizontal progression... Nearly 3 years since it was suggested... Sigh...