Voidsent origins

Some time ago while doing Weeping City, I thought of the ambiguous nature of Voidsent. Then I remembered Unukalhai's story of the fate of another star, how the champions affected by auracite's flaws led to them warring over the star's depleting life force. So I wondered, if that scenario were a recurring phenoma on multiple worlds, could Voidsent (especially the high ranking "nobles") be the ultimate end result of those auracite champions?

Well, you have to remember the very term 'voidsent' means literally 'from the Void', but is usually meant to refer to something 'not of Eorzean/Hydaelyn origin' - the Void being the 'world between worlds' that has appeared in multiple FF games (specifically FFV). Gilgamesh specifically was cast into the Void at the end of FFV and became a traveller of it, using it to travel to other FF worlds (like FFVIII and XII and.. of course... here in FFXIV), so... on one hand... the term 'voidsent' could potentially mean a creature from another world.

But on the other it seems Eorzeans themselves tend to use it as a 'catch-all', placeholder term in bestiaries to refer to anything that they're unfamiliar with or has an uncertain origin, even if it ultimately has a mundane explanation (an example is the squirrel enemy the Deepvoid Deathmouse, which despite the intimidating name which literally has the word 'Void' in it.... just looks the same as any other Eorzean-born rodent.

So really, the term 'voidsent' can pretty much mean anything a person wishes something that is unfamiliar to them to be, coming from 'another world' is a good a reason as any.

I wonder what the high ranking Voidsent like Diablos think of the Ascians.

I had a similar thought in some other thread a while back...

Unukalhai says they became twisted aether hungry monsters, which is exactly how I'd describe Voidsent... Presumably, once a stars aether runs out, the only thing remaining is the Void, so one can see them ending up there and becoming what we call Voidsent... They still seek aether of course, and other worlds have plenty, though with barriers preventing them access, but they just look for ways around that...

I'm very interested in seeing where the Shadow of Mhach goes at this point... The Nullstone makes for a very interesting artifact, more so if we actually do blur the definition of Voidsent... Could we blast Derplander with it? Elidibus? Heck, shouldn't we use it to go save Unei and Doga? Then we've got no clear location for the finale, and Diabolos as a clear antagonist, so I smell a Dynamis reference on the horizon...

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Originally Posted by Nalien

I'm very interested in seeing where the Shadow of Mhach goes at this point... The Nullstone makes for a very interesting artifact, more so if we actually do blur the definition of Voidsent... Could we blast Derplander with it? Elidibus? Heck, shouldn't we use it to go save Unei and Doga? Then we've got no clear location for the finale, and Diabolos as a clear antagonist, so I smell a Dynamis reference on the horizon...

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Speaking of Dynamis, isn't it strange that all the voidsent in Eorzea are common demon enemies from Vana'diel? I mean, it's possible that the demon bestiary in Vana'diel comes from the same place as the voidsent that we see in Eorzea, but XI was characteristically heavy on undead/demon enemies without needing any summoning rituals.

Add to that that Atomos seems to be a portal between points in space as well as time, and you have the makings of a larger Vana'diel cameo than a throwaway crossover event.

I'm just gonna leave this here...

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Originally Posted by Enkidoh

Well, you have to remember the very term 'voidsent' means literally 'from the Void', but is usually meant to refer to something 'not of Eorzean/Hydaelyn origin' - the Void being the 'world between worlds' that has appeared in multiple FF games (specifically FFV). Gilgamesh specifically was cast into the Void at the end of FFV and became a traveller of it, using it to travel to other FF worlds (like FFVIII and XII and.. of course... here in FFXIV), so... on one hand... the term 'voidsent' could potentially mean a creature from another world.

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GILGAMESH has a rare affinity to the Interdimensional Rift, sorta explained in what might be his origins in Type 0. It's just by FF5 he had very limited control over it. ExDeath had more experience in it. In lieu of Dissidia it seems GILGAMESH can only traverse dimensions if he find a specific area where the boundaries between the physical and ethereal are relatively weak. A good example being FF8 when Odin's sword cleaved a pocket dimension open allowing for GILGAMESH'S entry.

Over the series however it would seem GILGAMESH is slowly learning how to harness his long dormant abilities from Type 0...at the very least his ability to traverse dimensions. An ability only shared by himself, Omega, and Shinryu in FF lore.

To give a XIV example he dipped himself into the Rift to transform into his true form. And Primal Bahamut may very well could have caused a powershift allowing GILGAMESH entry into Eorzea.

As for Voidsent I think it's more they are demonic entities from the Rift that normally ethereal can come into the Physical plane of existence once enough aether has been siphoned to sustain physical forms. Most Voidsent are flatout Outsider/Demon type enemies. It's just ones like Ferdiad and Diabolos are high class Voidsent.

While voidsent can be used to refer to any creature from outside Hydaelyn, it seems to be used specifically for those creatures that have grown accustomed to and are native to the void. Demonic creatures that use the destructive energy of the realm for their own. As far as the voidsent that also appear in XI, one thing to remember is that for most of XI a common thread is that the dimension itself is wildly unstable, being a shattered held together version of the original world, crossing over into side dimensions is basically routine after CoP, so I wouldn't be suprised if Voidsent had an easier time crossing over. Hell, two varieties of endgame revolve around pulling enemies that linger into the void into our plane to fight them on our terms.

That said however, the demon class in that game seems to be wholly the result of Odin, mainly as servants to his worshippers. Now, whether the demons pulled to Hydaelyn are simply voidsent that use the same skin much like the machina that use skins from FFXIII or if they literally are the demons from Vana'Diel pulled over here kinda remains to be seen.

Now I have my own Crackpot theory to posit

Once upon a time Hydealyn and Zodiark clashed, 14 or so worlds are so were created, each being similar to each other manly in the presence of Hyur, Lalafell, Roegadyn, Elezen and Miqo'te (and Au Ra and other races SE implements)...fast forward to the development of Auracite as Aether batteries, for the sake of contrast with the one we are familiar with lets call this type "Black Auracite". Champeons there used and abused this power, sucked the aether out and destroyed their world or "Star"... the end. Or is it?

Now for the theory, because of the aforementioned apocalypse the people of the spoken races changed. Whether form lack of aether, death, or something else, the denizens of this world (The Warriors of Darkness included) became demonic entities, or in their words, voidsent. The Black Auracite comprising their bodies and gave them enhanced aether sucking powers. Eons passed since then and very few were able to retain their memories of mortal past lives, let alone their shape. And all have an insatiable thirst for aether and primal energy

Think zombies of an inter-dimensional nature

doesn't it list in-game that most "Voidsent" (like Succubi & Aharamin) all come from a malific/demonic entity the lives in the Void aethericly "possesing" a dead corpse or part of a corpse in some case's, then using said corpse to "make" eather there "true Form" (Form they had in the Void) or whatever form the "Possesion" would have made & the only other times they can arrive in our world in their "true Form" is when they find a weak part in the wall between the Void & Eorzea (like how some Imps types make it threw)?

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Originally Posted by Laili

I wonder what the high ranking Voidsent like Diablos think of the Ascians.

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And vice versa.

What about the Halloween event, where voidsent were turning children into voidsent? You know, lorewise, voidsent could be corrupted races trying to leech onto healthier worlds. I also would like a dynamis reference, dream world with spoopy statues

Based on what the Warriors of Darkness said, I'm starting to think Unukalhai was talking about the Thirteenth World. It would explain how the Void is populated by beings similar to primals yet....not primals.

What's interesting, is that travel between our world and the Thirteenth seems fairly easy, while it was apparently difficult for Derplander to travel from the First here... I would suspect Voidsent have all already "surrendered their flesh", given they're partly immortal and tend to require possession to get around our world... Still, we've been to the Thirteenth then... Quite easily as well... Granted, a Voidgate of monumental proportions was involved, but it does make me wonder... We've got a stable Voidgate, albeit sitting at the top of a forgotten questline, but still... What if we tweaked it a bit? Could we open a "Void"gate to the First?

The Voidgate to the World of Darkness closed after we completed the raid, and I believe was mentioned to not lead quite into the Void but only its precipice.

I wouldn't be surprised if, having fallen out of balance, the Void is much easier to get to than other worlds still in equilibrium. I'm hoping we get some more answers on this in the final part of the Shadow of Mhach story though as I think it's rather likely we'll be visiting the void again in some capacity.

It does lead me to wonder if Cu Calain was the abandoned body of Nabrieles? Assuming many Asciens are from the 13th World

I'm thinking something similar to Kingdom Hearts' Nobodies and Heartless.

Exact origins of Voidsent still unknown. Possible created from aetheric imbalances in Void, i.e. leans too much towards Ice, creates Imp. Darkness Void constant melding and remelding of all aether.

Light Void absence of all aether. Light Void absence of all anything. Life impossible; whatever life exists start out powerful, rapidly or gradually decay into nothingness. Like old-school Crystals of Light very powerful compared to ours.

Speculation. Not sure. Logical, though.

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Originally Posted by Alberel

I wouldn't be surprised if, having fallen out of balance, the Void is much easier to get to than other worlds still in equilibrium. I'm hoping we get some more answers on this in the final part of the Shadow of Mhach story though as I think it's rather likely we'll be visiting the void again in some capacity.

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Apparently the Void Ark could carve open voidgates with its laser.

considering the first world is furthest away from the source id assume the thirteenth world is our next door neighbor as we live in the source world(14th? how ironic) It was stated that the 13th fell to darkness and is now the voidsent world, so whatever paradoxes may be. I find it incredibly strange that hyedalyn was so weak when light is literally consuming an entire realm, albeit the furthest from the source but she had to be aware of this going on, unless interference from the darkness of the 13th world kept her from being aware or connected. Also very confused how the warriors of darkness could purge all darkness from their realm unless they just extinced beast tribes and anything using aether to drain the light

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Originally Posted by ADVSS

considering the first world is furthest away from the source id assume the thirteenth world is our next door neighbor as we live in the source world(14th? how ironic) It was stated that the 13th fell to darkness and is now the voidsent world, so whatever paradoxes may be. I find it incredibly strange that hyedalyn was so weak when light is literally consuming an entire realm, albeit the furthest from the source but she had to be aware of this going on, unless interference from the darkness of the 13th world kept her from being aware or connected. Also very confused how the warriors of darkness could purge all darkness from their realm unless they just extinced beast tribes and anything using aether to drain the light

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the warrior of darkness say that the first was the closets one to the source.

Personally I'm starting to think that the Void is the result the Ascians first go at doing something to aid/free Zodiark, and they didn't really understand what they were doing. It was more "This shard here is more inclined to the dark, lets flood it with dark, and that'll be great, right?! . . . or not."

Elibidus takes steps to maintain the balance in the First Shard, but the Void is old, dating at least to the third Astral Era. It makes more sense that it was created before they came up with the concept of the Rejoining instead of just being a failed Rejoining. Why have they let is sit for millennia without attempting to do something about it? If it was a Rejoining how did they even mess it up the in the first place?

I think that the WoD and Kidibus are part of the same goal for Elidibus, to bring those worlds back into balance and make them viable for the rejoining. As to why he feels the need to solve the problem of the Void now: Voids can't be Rejoined. Presumably, at some point the Ascians tried. Seven shards have fallen, Hydaelyn is weak and six shards and the source remain. One more rejoining could tip the scales in Zodiark's favor (or if we don't count the Source it may already be in Zodiark's favor) and it would be best to take advantage of that can cause as many Rejoinings in succession before Hydaelyn would have a chance to counter act it. Unlike past calamities the Ascians didn't take off but are instead still very much up to something. Most of the Ascians (excepting perhaps Elidibus) we have seen have been intent on causing another calamity immediately--even though the last Rejoining was a success. It is an odd break in the Astral/Umbral Era cycle.

Well now that we actually have information, this warrants revisiting!

The Void is the Thirteenth Shard, drowned in Darkness. Exactly how Voidsent come into existence remains unknown, but if as hypothesize Dark is the melding of all elements a slight imbalance could give rise to a sentient being. These Voidsent then seek paths to other worlds, either through Voidgates or being summoned via dark arts, so they might consume as much aether as possible and grow ever more powerful.

Exactly when the Void came into existence can be approximated, though not pinpointed, if one charts the timeline of the cosmos as we know it.

1. Light and Dark coexist in the primordial world.
2. Hydaelyn banishes Zodiark, creating the Thirteen Shard worlds.
3. The Age of the Gods, eventually ended by the First Umbral Calamity. Astral / Umbral Era cycle begins; Shards are Rejoined with the Source as it turns.
4. Third Astral Era - Voidsent are known to exist.
5. Cycle of Astral and Umbral Eras until we reach our current time.

The creation of the Void would have to be somewhere between 2 and 4, as Voidsent are known to have existed during the time of the Allagan Empire.