I just read that in the live letter there was a video of jumping being introduced?
Is there any where that is hosting that section of video?
I just read there was a jump video?
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11-04-2011, 04:41 AMArmokI just read there was a jump video?
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11-04-2011, 04:43 AMDelmontyb
It's in one of these threads, I'll see if I can't find you the link, one sec.
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11-04-2011, 04:45 AMDelmontyb
Around the 36 sec mark. -
11-04-2011, 04:49 AMellohwell
Wow that's awful!
I hope they work on the jump animations.
Those mob mounts are pretty stupid too if they are a replacement to chocobos. It would be interesting as a quest objective (ride a Gobbue quest) but seems stupid to replace chocobos. The magitek looked okay.
edit: Wow, just watched it again. It's even worse the second time. -
11-04-2011, 04:52 AMSojiro
Personally I think the jumping animations look pretty smooth, at the very least up to snuff with how other mmo's look, my only problem with it is how high you jump, but its all work in progress so i'm sure things will get ironed out.
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11-04-2011, 04:53 AMBetelgeuzah
Goddamn, I was expecting the number of trolls to rise as we moved towards december but we are reaching critical mass soon. I've counted 5 just today.
I'll bet 10 bucks half of them will still be around after subs start. -
11-04-2011, 04:58 AMRemVyeWhat are you still doing here! RIFT / WoW / SW tor beckon you... they need more trolls over there.Quote:
Originally Posted by ellohwell
^but really, you just hate on everything... why do you still post / play? -
11-04-2011, 04:59 AMShift
Well.. considering that all character races have to jump the same height, I think the Lalafell just -looks- like its jumping real high. But if a Roegadyn were to jump that same height, it wouldn't look like a big jump at all. Besides, have you seen that thickness of our legs? We're beastly jumpers :P
The animation is fine though, no different than any other game. -
11-04-2011, 05:05 AMDelmontyb
I happen to think that the mounts look cool, far be it from finished, but it adds variety and that's a good thing. I hope that other mounts are hard to come by, but there isn't anything wrong about doing something along those lines... Any argument that having other mounts isn't Final Fantasy doesn't tie into the core of what Final Fantasy really is... And that's an every evolving game. Sure we all have our favs, (FFVI for me personally, so I'm super excited about the magitek armor) but that's what's the games about.
Everyone's entitled to their own opinion, and I'm very happy that the dev teams shows us as much as they do, that is one of the biggest changes to SE in years. Anyway, to keep this short. The saying, "don't knock it until you try it" holds true for any and all updates. And if you have feedback, be constructive... ;) -
11-04-2011, 05:05 AMRemVyeQuote:
Originally Posted by Shift
I hope they carefully look at the model boxes when determining the height of jumping. Some other games, it might appear that you are jumping the same height but you can't reach the same places on one race that you can as another. -
11-04-2011, 06:16 AMThaigareDoes Ellohwell still count as a troll?Quote:
Originally Posted by Betelgeuzah
I just see her as kind of a fly in your bedroom well your trying to sleep but are just to lazy to get up and swat it -
11-04-2011, 06:31 AMellohwellI supported jump and alternate mounts, but the reason why many people didnt and still dont is because they were afraid such things would look stupid. When people said "jumps always looks stupid in MMOs" my defense has always been that we should trust in SE's artistic abilities. If this new video is anything to go by, obviously we shouldn't! The jump looks so incredibly stupid.Quote:
Originally Posted by RemVye
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11-04-2011, 06:34 AMBetelgeuzahWell if she was ignored then no.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thaigare
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11-04-2011, 06:37 AMellohwell
Wow you guys must really like stupid-looking jump animations.
The jump is way too vertical and lacks realism and continuity between walking-jump.
If you look at the movement animations in game, this jump animation is so much poorer in quality. They need to invest less time in making stupid Monster mounts and put more effort into fine-tuning jump. -
11-04-2011, 06:44 AMBetelgeuzah
The fact that makes you such a successful troll is that it literally takes no effort to refute anything you have to say, so of course people will do it. Whether it's skill to pick the worst arguments ever intentionally or just due to good old fashioned ignorance is what would be interesting to know.
Yoshida said that he already shot down that specific animation because it looked silly but you can get still get the general idea out of it. Now please change the trolling subject to something less ignorant so it is easier to ignore. -
11-04-2011, 06:47 AMellohwellLol you never said SE would be using a different animation before. If yoshi is improving jump (like i suggested) then you are in effect calling Yoshi a troll for doing the same thing I would have done in his position. All i said was i thought THAT SPECIFIC ITERATION OF JUMP AS SHOWN IN THE MOVIE looked stupid.Quote:
Originally Posted by Betelgeuzah
For saying that, you said I was a troll. If they are going to improve it, good, because that's what I said they should do.
honestly, people these days. -
11-04-2011, 06:50 AMEstellios
I think the hyur animation was fine if a bit rough (much better than what I was expecting), lalafell one was weird though.
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11-04-2011, 06:53 AMBetelgeuzahComplaining about it when the problem was already addressed? Yeah that's what you do. Oh my god this feature that isn't being added to the game because it lacks fine tuning looks so bad because it lacks fine tuning. I really hope they will fine tune it. Let me repeat that five times with slightly more hyperbole in an attempt to desperately find something to complain about while being completely oblivious to the fact even Yoshida turned it down and as such I will never see it in its current iteration ever again.Quote:
Originally Posted by ellohwell
This is not even in your top 20 best effort. I am disappoint. -
11-04-2011, 07:01 AMellohwellJudging by my response to the video, obviously it was my first time seeing it. So sorry I still don't have my doctoral degree in Things Yoshi has Said About Jumping yet. As such, it was a little rude to just call me a troll for voicing what is obviously a valid problem (since you yourself say it's not the final animation).Quote:
Originally Posted by Betelgeuzah
My point is that you have poor manners.
Anyway, I bet the final animation is the same one in the video amplified twice in height, lol. I wouldnt put it past them, tbh. -
11-04-2011, 07:03 AMBetelgeuzahAnd my point is that you talk about things you have no clue about, rather loudly in fact, in an effort to solely bitch.Quote:
Originally Posted by ellohwell
I even offered you useful advice on how to not act like a fool while trying too hard. It's kind of rude to just deny my help like that.
On the other hand, when your attempts to find anything to complain about are so easily refuted, really proves how great of a job Yoshi-P and his team is doing. Even trolls fail at finding legitimate faults. -
11-04-2011, 07:07 AMKamikazeMan
The jumping looks very awkward. It seems way too high to me and the mob mounts.....not a good idea, imo. Mounts should be Chocobo, Magitek Armor, or something totally new. But if they allow us to customize Chocobos and Magitek armor properly, we wouldn't need anymore than that.
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11-04-2011, 07:10 AMellohwelllol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Betelgeuzah
I was providing my feedback/reaction to that video. Why that is so hard for your brain to understand is anyone's guess.
If that isn't the final animation, like you claim, then good, problem solved for now. But whether that's the case or not is pretty much beside the point by virtue of the fact that I was merely providing my reaction to a video. That isn't trolling, lol.
Psychologically speaking, I think you might be paranoid.
lol.
Careful now, troll.Quote:
Originally Posted by KamikazeMan
j/k -
11-04-2011, 07:15 AMBetelgeuzahBitching is "providing a reaction to X" all the same. So is trolling. Except you can add hyperbole, ignore facts and all around make a bigger deal out of anything in a desperate effort to find all and any faults about the game a small mind can think of.Quote:
But whether that's the case or not is pretty much beside the point by virtue of the fact that I was merely providing my reaction to a video.
I don't even know who exactly are you talking to. Nobody here except of course the other trolls-in-crime buy that crap but hey, maybe that way you can actually start believing in it yourself. That's certainly something and will improve your results considerably.
EDIT: Oh my god, I watched the vid again. That was HORRIBLE.
EDIT2: Had to look at that disaster one more time. That was the worst thing I've EVER SEEN in my life.
EDIT3: Lol, wouldn't put it past them if they made it even worse.
Oh I'm not trolling btw. -
11-04-2011, 07:17 AMOrophin
It's a concept video, get over it...
Yes the Lalafell jumps way too high. I seriously doubt that's going to make it into 2.0. -
11-04-2011, 07:20 AMellohwellLol, classic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Betelgeuzah
Now it's just an argument of definitions. If bitching and trolling is the same as providing a reaction to something I saw and disapproved of, then what is wrong with bitching and trolling? If that's all bitching and trolling is, then what's the big deal? Lol, sensitive much?
All I did was see a really stupid jump animation and say "oh wow that's really stupid". Gosh, sorry for stating the obvious.
And exactly how was I "ignoring facts" when the only fact presented to me was the one I based my reaction on?
Lol. -
11-04-2011, 07:25 AMDoho
everything i saw looked fine to me.
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11-04-2011, 07:26 AMAlkoun
This is going nowhere...
My 2 Gil: it's a work in progress. I'm just glad they're adding jump and showed us at what stage they're in for its development. I'll reserve judgement on its aesthetics once it's completed or if they show videos of it close to completion. -
11-04-2011, 07:26 AMBetelgeuzahWell, one way for no one to take you seriously anymore is to blow your cover, even if it happens little by little. And that's generally the worst thing that could happen to someone like you.Quote:
Lol, sensitive much?
All I did was provide a little nudge. Nothing personal really. -
11-04-2011, 07:29 AMellohwellWhat are you even insinuating?Quote:
Originally Posted by Betelgeuzah
If seeing a stupid animation and saying it's stupid is such a crime, go ahead and lock me up because Im going to be a repeat offender the next time I see a stupid animation. Im not going to hold back just because I might tread on your pretty flexible definition of trolling/bitching.
On a brighter note, let's hope the final animation is a big improvement on this one. -
11-04-2011, 07:30 AMBetelgeuzahI knew I could count on ya. Makes the job that much easier.Quote:
Originally Posted by ellohwell
You'll become as irrelevant as Jennestia sooner than they start charging at this rate. -
11-04-2011, 07:35 AMellohwellI did nothing wrong (except my quip about SE potentially making an even worse jump animation was maybe a little unfair i guess). But your argument against me is totally futile.Quote:
Originally Posted by Betelgeuzah
The moral of the story is: people are allowed to provide reactions/feedback to things they see. You aren't the thought police, and a reaction isn't a form of trolling, lol.
Congrats on MRD 16 btw. lol. -
11-04-2011, 07:38 AMBetelgeuzahOf course it makes me look silly in the process, but all I need to convince is everyone else. And that isn't difficult now that you make the job so incredibly easy. Needless to say I'll be pointing out your trolling in the future as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by ellohwell
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11-04-2011, 07:42 AMellohwellWhat do I make easy? What are you even saying? That i troll? By saying a jump animation looks ugly?Quote:
Originally Posted by Betelgeuzah
Woah, crime of the century.
Lock me up and throw away the key, guys! -
11-04-2011, 07:50 AMBetelgeuzahRepeatedly and excessively, miss carpenter level 1 named Lol Lol. I can tell you are here with pure intentions.Quote:
Originally Posted by ellohwell
My MRD is 17 now by the way.