Crafting: Practice Mode

My suggestion is to have a practice mode for crafting where the player could set a few parameters like difficulty, amt. needed to HQ, etc. and then try to do it.

I lost 6M in materials last night trying to make the Answers Orchestrion Roll and really wish I could have known going in that I wasn't good enough at crafting to make it. Maybe something good can come out of me losing my fortune.

I feel like something like this could be easily implemented using a system similar to the moogle and ixal quests.

Have an NPC with various difficulty items that you can select from a list and he gives you the materials for the practice item you want. And you just have to provide the crystals shards same as beastman quests.

Basically would be like the stone sky sea for crafting. And every time a new recipe tier is released this npc gets a new item in that tier to practice on. Maybe make it so you have to actually hand in a hq item of each tier to open the next highest tier to practice on. Add in some achievements to make it fun too. :)

For now, I would suggest using this handy website.

If I may ask, what is your craftsmanship at? Since that can't be made hq it should just be 2 or 3 piece by piece with sh2, then waste not/manipulation with cs2 to finish

I'd settle for just telling us how much progress / quality we will gain for a 100% efficiency action for any given recipe.

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Originally Posted by Estellios

I'd settle for just telling us how much progress / quality we will gain for a 100% efficiency action for any given recipe.

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This would be great. It would be even better for a visual "shadow" when you mouse over skills to show where you'd land on success.

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Originally Posted by Tsubaki75

If I may ask, what is your craftsmanship at? Since that can't be made hq it should just be 2 or 3 piece by piece with sh2, then waste not/manipulation with cs2 to finish

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I'm guessing it was a matter of not being used to attempting anything of that level and maybe not having the cross skills chosen? It's easy to look at a recipe and figure the number isn't that high and then you do that first increase and watch the bar that you'd previously knock a decent chunk out of barely budge.

I completely disagree
That would make crafting way to easy !

Currently you have to work and know your abilities
You have to be adaptable and improvise if you craft.

About answer scroll
It's like furniture with the huuuuuuuge progress need
Piece by piece is the go to skill
Alongside with ingeniosity or waste not

Before EVERY craft you need to check which skill you have

Like a crafting simulator? Where you can practice rotations to see if you can make something with the stats you have?

I'll just leave this here

http://ffxiv.lokyst.net

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Originally Posted by Dustytome

I'm guessing it was a matter of not being used to attempting anything of that level and maybe not having the cross skills chosen? It's easy to look at a recipe and figure the number isn't that high and then you do that first increase and watch the bar that you'd previously knock a decent chunk out of barely budge.

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The difficulty number of the recipe shows up in the crafting log, so it's not exactly a secret on how much progress you need to finish a craft. Double checking things is important if you're doing a craft for the first time, especially if it's a craft with mats that have a significant cost. (OP's Answers Orchestrion Roll, in this case.)

A dedicated training mode isn't really necessary, since there's already a crafting simulator where you can play around with rotations without requiring any use of mats.
It's also good to keep a mental note of checking the difficulty number when crafting something that can't be HQed. If it's way higher than normal, then you know to cross class Muscle Memory/Piece by Piece.

Thank you, Zetsumei, for your considerate and helpful reply.

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Originally Posted by Dustytome

I\\\\'m guessing it was a matter of not being used to attempting anything of that level and maybe not having the cross skills chosen? It\\\\'s easy to look at a recipe and figure the number isn\\\\'t that high and then you do that first increase and watch the bar that you\\\\'d previously knock a decent chunk out of barely budge.

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That's exactly what happened. I didn't think I'd have any trouble making the item and then I panicked at the first increase. The game said I met the craftsmanship and control requirements for the item and I didn't need to try to HQ it so I thought it would be straight forward.

At the end of the day, I doubt the developers want their players to run into a soul crushing experience. That's why there are Calamity Salvagers and the like. Losing millions of Gil from your own ignorance really is not fun.

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Originally Posted by TMershi

That's exactly what happened. I didn't think I'd have any trouble making the item and then I panicked at the first increase. The game said I met the craftsmanship and control requirements for the item and I didn't need to try to HQ it so I thought it would be straight forward.

At the end of the day, I doubt the developers want their players to run into a soul crushing experience. That's why there are Calamity Salvagers and the like. Losing millions of Gil from your own ignorance really is not fun.

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Just because the game says that you've reached the stat requirements, doesn't mean that you can just go in unprepared. (Checking the difficulty, optimizing your cross-class abilities for progress gain.)

I've been in a similar situation, crafting the EX version of the Ramuh lamp when it was relatively new. (Mats are around 8 mil) I went in unprepared and didn't have Piece by Piece cross class. Fortunately, I did have Reclaim, and risked the 10% chance of losing the mats, and retained them.
Did I learn my lesson the hard way? Definitely, I always double-checked everything when dealing with expensive crafts now.

At the end of the day, the developers aren't here to handhold you through everything in this game, and you do need to be able to prepare for things. I'm not saying every crafter has to go through an experience like this, but it doesn't hurt to do at least a bit of research before tackling an expensive craft.

Yeah, if you're not used to making high end furniture the very high difficulty rating can be a bit of a shock, since I'd imagine most people expect it to be about the same as anything else around that level, except that there is no HQ version so you can concentrate only on progress, which would make most other recipes quite a joke. Of course, if you're prepared these aren't hard either, but lacking PbP especially will make things difficult.