Can we get hunt points for doing fates

Hunts right now don't really feel like anything special or anything. More like afk for 5-10mins and wait for one of your linkshells to send a message <pos>. There is alot of drama that goes with it and if your slow loading in good luck on getting a hit in.

I think if they gave like 5 hunt points if your max level for doing any low level fates if you make it easier & fun for new players coming into the game. People could just teleport around looking for fates. Standing around in one zone with 100 players doing fates wouldn't be the answer. Need something like how lights worked but having players switch to another zone every 30mins to do fates.

As for the hunts currently in the game, I would keep them in the game but create a quest line that rewarded you hunt points for slaying them. But keep adding in more quest lines and hunt NMs in each patch.

...why should Fates give out hunting seals? They're already giving you a currency, two even - gil and GC-seals...

for a quest: you can get hunting allocations on a daily basis for both ARR and HW hunts; they require you to slay specific mobs in the open world.
Some currency is related to some special content and I dont really see why that should change (specially in this case) - we might aswell just get rid of all curreny except one then!

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Originally Posted by Vidu

...why should Fates give out hunting seals? They're already giving you a currency, two even - gil and GC-seals...

for a quest: you can get hunting allocations on a daily basis for both ARR and HW hunts; they require you to slay specific mobs in the open world.
Some currency is related to some special content and I dont really see why that should change (specially in this case) - we might aswell just get rid of all curreny except one then!

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#1 Seals are basically useless. #2 Everything gives gil in this game, #3 Those are dallies, im talking about HNM B ranks, sure they start off with the easy B ranks we have now. Think of it like a solo/semi group quest where you would go around popping your NM. Finish the quest, go do the next part of the quest.
#4 Fates are dead. Noone is really doing them. More so in the ARR zones. As a new player you don't really do any fates with anyone till your in coerthas or north thanalan.

Basically you wouldn't really be doing hunt NMs for hunt points. They could add something within each quest line.

Then don't AFK and actually Hunt the damn thing.

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Originally Posted by Cakekizyy

Then don't AFK and actually Hunt the damn thing.

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Yeah sure 100's of players wander around the zone waiting for them to spawn. It explains every time when a NM spawns everyone is shouting invite.
Also got other players using scan programs looking for enemies in the zone. Sure its fair to do my part.

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Originally Posted by Beetle

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It is not hard to get allied/centurio seals. It requires some participation.
While we're on the subject, hunt targets would also be found faster if you actively hunt rather than just waiting for stuff to be called by others.

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Originally Posted by Beetle

#1 Seals are basically useless. #2 Everything gives gil in this game, #3 Those are dallies, im talking about HNM B ranks, sure they start off with the easy B ranks we have now. Think of it like a solo/semi group quest where you would go around popping your NM. Finish the quest, go do the next part of the quest.
#4 Fates are dead. Noone is really doing them. More so in the ARR zones. As a new player you don't really do any fates with anyone till your in coerthas or north thanalan.

Basically you wouldn't really be doing hunt NMs for hunt points. They could add something within each quest line.

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1) No, they're not - you can buy tones of materials for them, venture coins for your retainers etc. etc. - on the other hand a lot of people actually seem to consider hunting seals more useless
2) yeah, whats the problem? Not everything has to give hunting seals aswell
3) so you mean like... not actually hunting? Like... the dailies we've got? Also thats a totally different idea from what you were suggesting about Fates giving hunting seals. And: ARR daily-hunts actually required fate-mobs (not sure if they still do)
4) So, whats the problem? As a NEW player you dont even have to do Fates at all... and you normally dont need many people to finish fates in lowlevel zones. Apart from that: do you really believe people wouldnt figure out the best zone to farm fates for seals and stick to that and that only?

Hunts arent designed to be something you're doing solo. They're not supposed to be something that you can just farm and grind as much as you wish. They are supposed to be this content and they're giving out a special currency to reward those who enjoy it, nothing wrong with that... join a hunt linkshell and participate in spawning A and S ranks, if thats what you wish to do

Edit: apparently you dont seem to know this but S ranks require certain things to be down to spawn - bäm, there you go: quest!

This is actually a decent idea, assuming it'll only be applied to the big boss FATEs such as 'It's Not Lupus', 'Go Go Gorgimera', 'The Eyes Have It', 'Verdolfnir Devoteth', and so on. I'd imagine in less populated servers, these are NEVER done at all. Especially the last one mentioned which has a rather absurd trigger requirement.

(Svara and Dark Devices wouldn't count as they're multi-chain FATEs that are basically cleared on sight + there's one other superboss fate in those areas already.)

Hell, such fates could award an entirely new currency as well instead of seals, along with tomestones. Here's a quick mock-up idea.

- Lazy For You/It's Not Lupus/Attack on Highbridge Act III/Clearing The Hive/Poor Maid's Misfortune: 1 currency at max contribution
- The Eyes Have It/Go Go Gorgimera: 2 currency at max, 1 at silver
- We Fought a Dzu/Special Tarasque Force/On Dangerous Ground/Metal Gears Revengeance 2: 3 currency at max, 1 at silver
- Verdolfnir Devoteth: 4 currency at max, 2 at silver
- Behemoth: 6 currency
- Coeurlregina: 2 currency for first two phases, 4 at final
- Odin: 10 currency

New currency shop - obtaining the actual currency has no weekly limit, but some shop categories have a weekly purchase limit.
- Grade IV materia of the player's choice: 1 token
- Grade V materia of the player's choice: 10 tokens, limit of 1 per week in this category
- Chocobo Experience Blend: Triples Chocobo EXP gain for the remaining duration of its current summoning. 2 tokens.
- Unidentified Ore/Seeds/Bone/Shell: 2 tokens
- Aether Oil: 5 tokens
- Umbrite: 6 tokens
- Carboncoat (or the equilavent of it for current tome accessories): 15 tokens, limit of 1 per week
- New minion: 30 tokens
- New mount: 50 tokens

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Originally Posted by Vidu

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1) Oh useless mats from old ARR patches? Who still needs moonstones... Ventures? Oh those coins I have 200 of and all 2 of my retainers are both 60 and they don't even give anything good for sending them out? Last time I really needed seals was in 2012 when I needed them to rank up in 1.0. Its 2016 SE, wheres the new Grand company ranks.

2) Sounds like you got a problem with opinions or even ideas? Sure this game is perfect is every way.
3) Quests, not dallies. Kill Leaping Lizard, then go kill X then go kill X. Quest done. Heres a minion. Pick up A rank questline.
4) Yeah you dont but wouldn't it be fun to play with players? This is why they are talking about a jump potion. These players wanna play with other players and there is no one around at the start of the game, duh.

Your wrong, they can be grind as much as you wish. Yes I can solo a A rank. Its not hard, just everyone hates you for killing one without them claiming.

The "It's X year" meme stopped being clever. And just because you don't need old materials doesn't mean nobody else does. the 240 relics need many old materials.

They could give us Mark Bills that require FATEs again... I'd rather they not, though...

I'd honestly much rather see them work on a Levequest/Zeni NM hybrid as an alternative way to do Hunts... I'll simply never bother to do Hunts in their current form, I don't like wandering around fairly aimlessly and I don't like waiting for someones grandmas cat to get there before pulling... I'd much rather grab a group of friends and just go spawn Hunt mob to kill... A properly done pop system (Zeni NMs) can limit our ability to spawn the same target over and over, and that's perhaps the only issue I can see with force pops...

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Originally Posted by SaitoHikari

This is actually a decent idea, assuming it'll only be applied to the big boss FATEs such as 'It's Not Lupus', 'Go Go Gorgimera', 'The Eyes Have It', 'Verdolfnir Devoteth', and so on. I'd imagine in less populated servers, these are NEVER done at all. Especially the last one mentioned which has a rather absurd trigger requirement.

(Svara and Dark Devices wouldn't count as they're multi-chain FATEs that are basically cleared on sight + there's one other superboss fate in those areas already.)

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Nah it would have to be all the zones in the game. Those fates are only limited to just 3 zones. They would get done if the Centro Light Was on in that zone. All the fates in that zone would get attention. Would make it easier for relic quest players or people working on more then one relic. (Which is crazy for people that are doing more then one already) Fates in the done would spawn faster also because there would be more people in that zone doing them. You would get allied seals if you were lv50+ doing them in ARR zone and you would get allied seals for heavensward zones at lv60 and only players doing fates in centro light areas would get centro.

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Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh

The "It's X year" meme stopped being clever. And just because you don't need old materials doesn't mean nobody else does. the 240 relics need many old materials.

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In what X year did the X year meme stopped being clever? Yeah im sure my 42 amber viles we'rent the fastest way for sands.
I'm sure players are making a profit still with buying potash from the grand company. Seals are useless until they make another rank.
Little shocked they didn't by now and add in some lv55 & 60 grand company catch up gear.

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Originally Posted by Beetle

1) Oh useless mats from old ARR patches? Who still needs moonstones... Ventures? Oh those coins I have 200 of and all 2 of my retainers are both 60 and they don't even give anything good for sending them out? Last time I really needed seals was in 2012 when I needed them to rank up in 1.0. Its 2016 SE, wheres the new Grand company ranks.

2) Sounds like you got a problem with opinions or even ideas? Sure this game is perfect is every way.

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1) Mats are still useful for a lot of people; venture coins are still useful for a lot of people (sending your retainers out for crafting mats, minions, "gambeling" with quick ventures)
2) No, I dont actually :) As long as they're thought through carefully ;) you're hopping from "Fates should give seals!" to "Let us have a whole new quest-chain!"

I actually kinda do like your idea of a quest, sounds like a fun thing to do - but I dont understand why it has to be related to hunts? (...and why do you get a minion after doing one quest?) What do you need those seals for so despartely that you need to have them added to stuff thats totally not hunt related?

Also: New players dont want to get to HW quickly to play with other people in general but either to play the new jobs or to play with their friends who dragged them into the game and now discover that they cant really play together for quite a while. Leveling up really isnt a problem with all the quests and the buffed exp-rewards from dungeons (I leveled up my first class in 2.0 and it was perfectly doable without looking at fates)

The problem with hunts is largely the contribution calculation. On the larger hunts with tons of parties there, the contribution value required for full credit is often well above what a solo player can do in the time the hunt goes from full health to dead, thus making partying up a necessity to even make fighting the target worth doing at all. This isn't an issue for dedicated hunters who have linkshells and travel in groups from the getgo, but for players who are in the zone doing regular activities, see a hunt in /shout, and proceed to go there, it can be a case of not finding an open party in party finder or creating one and not having enough people join up in time for credit. I think adding hunt seals to FATEs would be wholly unnecessary if hunts were less terrible about rewarding credit for solo players who contributed just as much as a player in a party.

I won't lie, hunts are pretty much dead and despised, especially in my server where there was a constant war over early pullers and whatnot.

I don't FULLY agree on making hunt points from fates...but since both are kind of dead I don't see why not.

That and increasing the exp from FATEs: 40-50k exp is nothing when you need over 3m exp!

Trade in GC seals for Allied Seals. Make it happen. Bing bada boom. 50k for 100 or whatever other lame number.

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Originally Posted by Beetle

#1 Seals are basically useless.

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I like ppl who think seals are useless and pass on absolutely everything that gives them because they deem them worthless. Thank you, you have made me gillions!

Also there are two ways to read this thread:

"I don't wanna do that but give me the shinies anyway cause I pay a sub so I deserve it anyway"

and/or

"I have an idea, lets further reduce the already severely lacking amount of content this game has by making yet another thing redundant because I don't wanna do it."

Hunts need a revamp, true, but taking the awards away from them is not the way to do it.

Seals from fates are used for various items. The thing is hunts should die down due to more people completing 240 gear on their main. If anything I would prefer them do centurio seals bonuses on leveling roulette or other roulettes to help new players. Then cycle the roulette seals bonus depending on how far you are in the game( 2.0, 3.0, or 4.0). But dont put it in a fate grind

If you think seals are useless could you maybe spend yours and buy me some cordials please?
I need about fifty stacks of them, thank you

The OP has a decent idea. I would change it a little; and say buff the seals earned in the actual hunts if they did this, but there's nothing wrong with adding seals to fates.