trying to choose a dps.

I got pld to 60, brd to 52. bard was ok at first, but not sure its my cup of tea. are the dps all pretty comparable? or are there a few that stand out damage wise? besides dragoon. like a top 3 damage wise dps. thanks

Well if you want top deeps, probably Monk or Dragoon.
SMN also gets high deeps with multiple enemies.

If you're going for fun, go bard ;)

In the end, it's a "which do you find more fun" type of thing.

BLM. All the Fire 4's. Ifrit in a can.

The devs try to balance things such that the more the more personal DPS a job hasd, the less raid utility it has. Like when Choosing between the 3 Melee DPS, Monks damage is the highest while Ninja's is the lowest, but Ninja has more tools for helping out the group than Monk does.

At this point I don't think any of the DPS are too weak to compete though, so you don't have to worry about bringing your team down if you decide to play as Ninja instead of Dragoon or Monk.

If you have to choose, take the one with your favorite playstyle :

Summoner = DoTs + support (eye for an eye and resuscitation)
Black mage = heavy burst damage
Dragoon = heavy single target damage + Dots
Monk = highest dps but almost no utility besides mantra
Ninja = lowest dps but a lot of supporting tools like steam and trick attack
Bard = lower dps but great support due to their songs
Machinist = more dps than bard with less support, but a great help for mp and tp recovery.

I tried them all and i ended up in machinist. I had the following reasons:

I hate watching and refreshing a key buff (BLM or DRG)
Watching debuff timers were annoying in raids (SMN and BRD)
I just hated mudras (even post NIN mudra lag update)

That really leaves monk which i havent really played seriously yet. I like machinist not because its top dps but i like the style and it does not have to watch timers like a hawk.

Well as mch you still need to watch over you hot shot buff and 1 dot but yes, it was 30 seconds or so i think, thus you dont need to glace over your buff/debuff bar as much as bard.

i main bard and mch and all i can say is if you prefer a nice smooth rotation? Go bard, mch is all about priorities

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Originally Posted by gumas

Well as mch you still need to watch over you hot shot buff and 1 dot but yes, it was 30 seconds or so i think, thus you dont need to glace over your buff/debuff bar as much as bard.

i main bard and mch and all i can say is if you prefer a nice smooth rotation? Go bard, mch is all about priorities

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Once you become comfortable with machinist, you notice that your cooldowns are a well oiled machine and don't really need to keep an eye on your Lead or Hot shot at all, just something you'll know when to toss out again.

I agree on the hot shot part, i tend to forgot to reapply it again lol. 5% just seems miniscule to me, 1000 damage = 1050? Is that how it work?

Mch got hot shot and 1 DoT, bard got 2 DoT... pretty much the same for me and bard now have one skill to regen both DoT

To add for cipher about smn and Blm

Smn got EfaE and virus (alongside with the power of raise... which is Unfortunately widely forgotten by smn that only see big deeeps....)
Blm get huge burst (6 x 12k damage at the opener make me happy... not the tank) and they got lower version of virus and EfaE as well

I'll only talk about dps classes that I have at 60 since I don't wanna say anything about classes I don't know.

MNK seems pretty easy, just maintaining a few buffs and lots of positionals.

BRD is basically keeping up 2 DoTs and weaving in CD's. Getting procs for every crit is glorious. Rain of death on mobs is just.... <3

MCH is super simple. Most of the buffs line up perfectly. I feel like it surpasses BRD when it comes to single targets.

SMN was personally a bit too much for me lol. DoTing is your best friend - and so is your egi. Gotta learn how to micromanage quite a bit with this one.

All in all though, try them all out and see which one you enjoy the most :o

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I agree on the hot shot part, i tend to forgot to reapply it again lol. 5% just seems miniscule to me, 1000 damage = 1050? Is that how it work?

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It adds up over time and also contributes to each Wildfire burst and stacks with other damage bonuses like Gauss Barrel, making it better than you'd think.

For example, I believe it multiplies with Gauss Barrel. Gauss Barrel give 30%, Hot Shot give 5%. If it was additive, yeah it's only a 5% increase. But when multiple it becomes 1.3 x 1.05 = 1.365, or a 36.5% increas (making Hot Shot more like a 6.5% increase instead of 5%.) The more multipliers you stack, the better it becomes.

Ninja is lowest of the melee but what it brings to groups is why it is so. Bard and Machinist still do well and bring most utility.
If you have lag mudra can still be an issue with Ninja even despite SE having said they rewrite the code.
Blm is very close to the top damage wise, just be prepared that if you use leylines, aoe attacks will be right there where you laid them, lol.
Smn has great aoe with dot yumminess.

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Originally Posted by Nekotee

Mch got hot shot and 1 DoT, bard got 2 DoT... pretty much the same for me and bard now have one skill to regen both DoT

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The key diff for me is that hot shot and lead shot timers align with the cd for stun/silence shot. So i know when that cd is up i need to reapply hot and lead shot.

Keeping track of brd debuffs is more annoying unless you follow a rotation so you know when debuffs are about to fall or ur good at watching debuff timers.

The only thing i find tricky with mch is wildfire timing. If u dont know a boss rotation its a bit hard to time wildfire because if the boss becomes untargetable u can say goodbye to ur damage :/

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Originally Posted by Maero

Blm is very close to the top damage wise, just be prepared that if you use leylines, aoe attacks will be right there where you laid them, lol.

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This. It's a hidden ability: If Ley Lines is cast and Boss has AoE ability it will overlap Ley Lines every time it's cast.

The problem with BLM is that you have to master slide casting to do the end-game stuff. Or you just die. "BLM is being BLM and got hit by the AoE... again". BLM is the new Dragoon.

I'm currently loving Ninja, but being the only class you can literally fluff an ability is kinda terrible though. Failure should do something, besides putting a bunny over your head. (maybe speed up the cooldown?)

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Originally Posted by Ragnar_is_god

are there a few that stand out damage wise? besides dragoon. like a top 3 damage wise dps. thanks

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In terms of target dummy dmg:
MNK > BLM > DRG
Also worth noting that SMN has the highest AoE dmg.

Keep in mind though that it doesn't always mean they will be in that order for every fight. Gear plays a big role and classes have their own set of issues they need to deal with to ensure high DPS.

Honestly, you'll be just fine picking a class that you enjoy playing. If you're only looking for numbers it would be helpful to know what kind of content you'll be using it for.

Agreed. Especially when mudra lag is at fault for the mess up.

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like a top 3 damage wise dps. thanks

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Originally Posted by Phileas

Keeping track of brd debuffs is more annoying unless you follow a rotation so you know when debuffs are about to fall or ur good at watching debuff timers.

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As a bard main you start to have an internal timer for your dots. So even when the game bugs out and doesn't show your dots on the boss you can still keep them up all the time. It's not really much about watching your dot timers and more about figuring out where you will be when you need to refresh them in 18s, some for flaming arrow(do you pop it on CD or do you know the boss will be moved in the next 30s and thus waste a part of it). Each job has such issues to deal with in one way or another.

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Originally Posted by ruskie

As a bard main you start to have an internal timer for your dots. So even when the game bugs out and doesn't show your dots on the boss you can still keep them up all the time. It's not really much about watching your dot timers and more about figuring out where you will be when you need to refresh them in 18s, some for flaming arrow(do you pop it on CD or do you know the boss will be moved in the next 30s and thus waste a part of it). Each job has such issues to deal with in one way or another.

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Yah i'm sure with practice you just know when to refresh it. I just couldnt get used to it and wasnt keen enough to keep practicing with it since I preferred MCH in the end.

Then blm would never be for you, lol

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Originally Posted by Cipher_Zaabiz

If you have to choose, take the one with your favorite playstyle :

Summoner = DoTs + support (eye for an eye and resuscitation)
Black mage = heavy burst damage
Dragoon = heavy single target damage + Dots
Monk = highest dps but almost no utility besides mantra
Ninja = lowest dps but a lot of supporting tools like steam and trick attack
Bard = lower dps but great support due to their songs
Machinist = more dps than bard with less support, but a great help for mp and tp recovery.

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I thought all the melee DPS were higher than Ranged.

From what I saw it goes like this:

MNK
DRG
NIN

BLM
MCH
BRD

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If you have lag mudra can still be an issue with Ninja even despite SE having said they rewrite the code.

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From what I read the lag is even server side causing issues.