What would the lore be if we ever have those dungeons. With the Dragonsong War over, it's kinda tough to think of a reason to go back to those places. Same with all the Heavensward dungeons although Matoya might have some reason to send us back to Gubal library.
Snowcloak (hard) and Keeper of the Lake (hard)
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06-27-2016, 05:23 PMYuellaSnowcloak (hard) and Keeper of the Lake (hard)
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06-27-2016, 07:52 PMCyberGoblin
I can't remember where it was stated but as I understand it they have confirmed we will find out what is under Lake Silvertear, so it stands to reason that would be why we go back to the Keeper. Snowcloak... I dunno, maybe a training course again?
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06-27-2016, 07:53 PMFrizze
I dont know, it seems like you could come up with reasons relatively easy if you wanted to. All of these are off the top of my head, and took as long to think of as this post did to type. Keeper of the Lake hard could be Midgarsormr(however you spell that) calling us back to clear out an infestation of ________(more garleans maybe that he doesnt want disturbing the area?), or further testing our skills as we get ready for _______. For Snowcloak you could have an ishgardian conservationist-type come to us with rumors of a clutch of pups Fenrir left behind and we need to go back clear out the cave again to get them so they can be studied/prevent them from being a nuisance when they grow. The Vault(hard) makes sense as an ishgardian training ground(like halatali hard and hullbreaker hard for ul dah and limsa respectively) - and bonus points for being close enough to town to make use of. Alternatively someone from the Brume could send us there Oceans 11 style to steal back something that was taken and try to clear a family name. Dusk Vigil redux could be a request from the new head of House Fortemps to clear it out before they try to re-establish it as an outpost in CWH - a first step in trying to reclaim some of the land. A return to the Aery could be at the behest of Hreasvelgr(spelling again), as the dragon is worried that the swirling winds of the storm that protected it should have died by now, so we are sent to reclaim some artifact to calm the skies of the Churning Mists. And if i were designing a return to Sohm Al, id do it in reverse like they did with Pharos hard. So the great Moglin has lost something of vital importance, and we need to climb down the winding paths of the mountain to find it. In the end it probly ends up being a rare type of kupo nut, because moogles.
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06-27-2016, 08:10 PMHinoto-no-RyujiIf the dungeon releases follow the patterns they have thus far, then it's not an if - we WILL be going back to both those places. Silvertear's importance goes far deeper than just the Dragonsong War, and I'd bet my left arm that Keeper Hard will be another story dungeon, but Snowcloak is definitely a bit more of a question mark. Maybe next patch will be two sidequest dungeons, since the story is back to a prologue-like state ala 3.1, and we'll need to fetch something from within for somebody. I'm honestly going on pretty much nothing there, though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yuella
(Come to think of it...has a Hard Mode dungeon ever served as the patche's Story Dungeon before this? It hasn't, has it?)
I've always been of the opinion that the various Heavensward dungeons SHOULD have made up the missing "third dungeon" each patch in the 3.x series, especially considering there's just enough to fit each patch (not counting the ARF, but that's more of the 3.0 Castrum/Praetorium anyways). It would have been interesting to see what they did with each place.Quote:
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06-27-2016, 08:32 PMPArcher
There's a lot of possibilities for Snowcloak; going in and saving heretics from an invading force (rogue temple Knights, monsters, voidsent), going in and clearing it out to study the ruins (for the temple Knights, again overrun by some monstetd), stuff like that.
Keeper...very likely to be an Msq dungeon, going back to do *something* with/for Middy. -
06-27-2016, 09:43 PMLineageRazor
Didn't Snowcloak used to be a passage between the Western and Central Highlands? Maybe they want to reopen the path, but need us to clear out the nasties, first. Once we finish, the construction crews can move in and, thanks to MMO time, never actually finish! The poor workers will be stuck in NPC limbo, never making progress, never finishing, until the stars go out.
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06-28-2016, 08:24 PMFrizze
Had one more thought later in the day after i posted here and decided i had to share. A different way to do a return to Dusk Vigil would be to tie it in to the Scholasticate quests. Our investigation leads us to learn that the missing evidence was hidden there. As we're getting ready to go get a first-hand look, a lakey of the jerk high-born student comes running in asking us to help because said jerk is trapped by some horrible menace and there isnt much time. We fight our way through probly some more undead and maybe even a voidsent that seems to hint at dark things inside(awesome alternative: garleans have been sneaking over the border and are using this as a staging point to a bigger invasion of ishgard and the kids stumbled into their nest). We get to the final room of the dungeon - a room big enough to host a banquet or meeting with the heads of multiple houses, and the boss-intro cinematic starts. A bigger version of whatever we've been fighting is sitting there staring us down(void baddy, legatus, whatever), when all of a sudden one of the walls collapses inward with a great crash and a kaiser-style behemoth rushes in and eats the would-be boss. It looks our way and roars. Now we have to fight the thing without multiple alliances worth of players, all while stuck in a tightly enclosed space. We cant hope to beat it, but if we get lucky we just might hurt it enough to make it run off in search for easier prey. I can picture a version of this with heavy environmental usage(crashing a chandelier or collapsing section of wall on him to interupt key mechanics as an example), and a version thats just a rager of a straight fight. Both look amazing in my mind.
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06-28-2016, 09:10 PMMorningstar1337Maybe its just me, but wouldn't a HM of that be in 4.1 at earliest with the Scoalasticate quests wrapped up by then>Quote:
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06-28-2016, 10:37 PMFrizze
I have no idea. The OP just said that it would be tough to think of reasons to go back, so i was thinking of reasons to go back. And i think tying a dungeon or trial into the Scholasticate quests would be neat. You could do the exact same dungeon set up(undead to imperials to behemoth crashing its way through) with Aymeric being the one asking us to go back in patch 4.x. A rumor of the missing Estinian being spotted in the area and he asks us to check up on his old friend. With that said, i dont see why they couldnt use a couple of the HW hard modes to fill out the patch cycle until then. I mean, what do we have left of the 50 and under dungeons to hard mode? We're down to like 6 arent we? Seems like reason enough to expand the pool and keep the players guessing.
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06-28-2016, 10:40 PMNestama
I feel SE should maybe change things up, rather than keep them predictable. Out of all the dungeons without a Hard Mode; Keeper of the Lake, The Aery, The Vault and Sohr Khai are the only dungeons I have trouble seeing a Hard Mode version. If we were to see more of Mor Dhona's lore, I'd personally prefer to see it in the form of a completely new dungeon.
Snowcloak may have the potential of getting a Hard Mode, possibly with us clearing out some monster infestation and unlocking a zone point between Western Coerthas and Central (because why not?). -
06-28-2016, 10:47 PMMorningstar1337Something tells me that if the devs are working on 4.0 that means they already plotted out the dungeons and we are likely to go with Snowcloak and KoTL next (Or Snowcloak, Neverreap and Fractal), then 4.0's HM dungeons will be the 5. With that said I have to agree that some of these dungeons are difficult to revisit. This on top of the fact that all the HM ungeosn have been optional sso far, an if this pattern continues, then Silvertear, Sorl Khai and the Aery are unlikely to be tied to the MSQ for the HM dungeons. However they all still have some potential. The Vault coul be an Ishgardian Gauntlet like Hullbreaker, or under seige by the True Brothers of the Faith. Silvertear still has Garleans trapped there, and The Dragon Lairs can have something to do with the Moogles' projects or the remnants of Nidhogg's brood avenging their fallen broodfatherQuote:
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06-29-2016, 10:23 AMAlberel
Keeper of the Lake HM would likely have us going down into the lake instead of up to Middy. There's been huge amounts of speculation about what is under Silvertear ever since the original 1.0 opening cinematic that showed the primals escaping. Prior to 3.0's release Koji also mentioned that we would get answers about Silvertear as part of the 3.X story. If I were to hazard a guess, Silvertear is going to be important to Hydaelyn in some way considering she had Midgardsormr protecting it for her.
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06-30-2016, 05:15 AMNalien
I'm still sticking with my "Crystals of Light are a fraction of Hydaelyn and we'll throw them at Silvertear to restore her" idea... 2.55 gave us a Bearer of the Torch title, and the symbolism there seems fairly appropriate... We also had an odd inconsistency in Heavensward; Hydaelyn is apparently too weak to do anything at all by 2.55, relying instead on hijacking Y'shotla's spell to get to Minfilia, at which point she still couldn't even talk to Minfilia, who was directly next to her... But... After we talked to Tiamat and restored the Blessing of Light... Hydaelyn spoke to us, despite that apparent weakness... She's then so weak again that we need to do Antitower and sacrifice Minfilia to even chat... So... What's up there? Is she too weak to communicate with us or not? She didn't even really tell us anything important after Tiamat, but after Antitower where she seemingly does have something important to say, she is so weak she cuts off mid sente...
I'd say the Crystals of Light are a part of Hydaelyn, and that part spoke to us... Bearer of the Torch, literally... The alternative is that she is just damned irresponsible with her talk hours, opting to waste them on nothing before ARF...
They even introduced other Crystals of Light... Ysayle had one, obviously, and so did Matoya... She had an ancient one, in fact, implying that their are plenty of Crystals of Light kicking around from past eras... So if I'm right about the above, and we collected them, wouldn't it be possible to revive Hydaelyn? Seems like a fitting conclusion for the current story IMO, the fate of the star no longer hangs in the balance with Hydaelyn restored, and we move forward without an OP Blessing, instead letting us focus on more personal plots...
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06-30-2016, 07:55 AMCeasaria
For Snowcloack, i'am not sure we will see this dungeon again in 3.xx because his music is already available for the orchestrion (patch 3.3).
Or maybe, we will have a new music for the HM.
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06-30-2016, 08:19 AMNezeriusSE is too predictable to suddenly go with two new dungeons in a single patch. They'll keep going with the "Story dungeon/HM dungeon" formula, and if 3.1/3.2/3.3 are any indication, we'll be getting Snowcloak HM and Keeper of the Lake HM in 3.4/3.5.Quote:
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While it's easy to speculate about Keeper of the Lake HM, something related to what's under Silvertear Lake, or perhaps something Garlean related?
I'm not so sure about Snowcloak, perhaps the remnants of the heretics trying to summon the real Fenrir? Maybe Ishgard trying to secure a ground path to the Western Highlands for some reason?