"Coming into its own" is too much!

This step of the Anima Relic quest is too hard!
Many people can\\'t login and play the game for hours, let alone do that kind of grind every single day.
The tomestones required to obtain unidentified items is way over the top, It takes forever to get them. We need 680 tomes per item and we need 20x for 4 items, the price should be halved at least.
Not all players can play everyday and do all this grind.
The next steps are there too so it would be really great if this quest gets some balancing.
Thank You!

I agree, why make the best weapon in the game so hard to obtain? Just give it to everyone practically for free so they don't have to put any effort into it and can enjoy their awesome weapons, because everyone's special and deserves better treatment.

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引用元：SirBrighton

I agree, why make the best weapon in the game so hard to obtain? Just give it to everyone practically for free so they don't have to put any effort into it and can enjoy their awesome weapons, because everyone's special and deserves better treatment.

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This, though 100%.

I'd like to point out there are other weapons in the same ilevel that are easier to obtain. Relics are supposed to be something to work for, not a practically free handout because not everyone is able to get online. There are other weapons to obtain because they know not everyone can dump a whole lot of time into doing the relic. They made the relic chain how it is for a reason.

The main purpose of the relic weapons is to increase longevity of the content. Like the weekly lockouts and daily bonuses they are in-game to keep you playing and paying. Luckily you do not need them! Those few stat points are not going to make much of difference and so aren't really worth it.

It's much easier to have fun in-game if you ignore this bullfrog and who knows you might get it done eventually while doing other tasks without focusing on it itself.

Savage Midas is too hard!
Many people can't login and raid for hours, let alone do that kind of progression everyday.
The mechanics you're required to memorize are way over the top, It takes forever to learn them. We need to clear 4 difficult instances every week for a chance at receiving our weapon or 8 midas manifesto, the difficulty should be halved at least.
Not all players can raid everyday and do this progression.
The next chapter of Alexander will be there in 3.4 as well so it would be really great if this raid gets some premature balancing.
Thank you!

Well it takes months to get this weapon for a casual gamer so they should increase token from beast tribes to the amount, the moogle tribe quests give.

Also halving the cost for the stone currencies should be mandatory as well.

Those 2 steps should be enough for a fair grinding.

Some changes should be done, the crystals didn't even need to be changed.
Day 1 atma is way easier than this step of the relic.

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引用元：Archaell

The main purpose of the relic weapons is to increase longevity of the content. Like the weekly lockouts and daily bonuses they are in-game to keep you playing and paying. Luckily you do not need them! Those few stat points are not going to make much of difference and so aren't really worth it.

It's much easier to have fun in-game if you ignore this bullfrog and who knows you might get it done eventually while doing other tasks without focusing on it itself.

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I don't mind doing stuff like that, but man, day 1 atma is way easier than this, I've gotten my old relics without complaining because they were ok! They didn't require me to play and grind for hours and finish a single step in 2 months.
The costs for the unidentified items are a bit too much compared to other items you can get from ESTO

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引用元：Trixxy

Savage Midas is too hard!
Many people can't login and raid for hours, let alone do that kind of progression everyday.
The mechanics you're required to memorize are way over the top, It takes forever to learn them. We need to clear 4 difficult instances every week for a chance at receiving our weapon or 8 midas manifesto, the difficulty should be halved at least.
Not all players can raid everyday and do this progression.
The next chapter of Alexander will be there in 3.4 as well so it would be really great if this raid gets some premature balancing.
Thank you!

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Oh, excuse me but not all people are like you who have no life and nothing to do.
Many of us barely have time to do the Daily Roulettes.

I don't even Raid currently.

I'm 7 6 6 6 with the Relic weapon, slowly progressing by running whichever dailies I feel like doing and not once did I feel like the grind was becoming too much.
The amount of work it takes to finish the relic is one thing but knowing that I'll actually have accomplished something at the end of said long road is a source of endless motivation.

I'd rather grind several months for a highly exclusive and powerful weapon instead of seeing every other [Class] own the same upgraded Anima weapon as I do.
Making the grind take this long ensures a much more rewarding payout. It's inevitable that SE will nerf the grind at some point so just wait until then if it's too much for you right now.

Besides that, being able to farm up Oils for the next step and spending leves on getting amber-encased vilekins gives you a headstart for the following upgrades.

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引用元：Hasasmo

I don't mind doing stuff like that, but man, day 1 atma is way easier than this, I've gotten my old relics without complaining because they were ok! They didn't require me to play and grind for hours and finish a single step in 2 months.

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Day one Atma ? It took weeks for some people to get just one Atma before the nerf. So... No. Not at all. And there are still people who have nightmares about that step. o_o
Sure, it was easy, we just had to farm the same fates over and over, but still.

I understand your concern about that step for the anima weapon, but it's a mmo, so it's supposed to take time to get stuffs.

Nothing will ever be as bad as day one Atma.
The problem isn't even how long it took - the problem was just how much it eventually began to drain your body and soul.

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引用元：Hasasmo

Oh, excuse me but not all people are like you who have no life and nothing to do.
Many of us barely have time to do the Daily Roulettes.

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That quote.... 'Kneels Respectively' Yes just Yes exactly

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引用元：Hasasmo

Oh, excuse me but not all people are like you who have no life and nothing to do.
Many of us barely have time to do the Daily Roulettes.

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And excuse me, but last I checked this is an MMO. SE made content for casuals and "hard core" players. its not meant to have content suitable to one play group. There's plenty of stuff for casuals to do no problem, and then stuff to please the hardcore raiders. If you can't handle the more difficult content, then it obviously isn't for you.

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引用元：Hasasmo

Oh, excuse me but not all people are like you who have no life and nothing to do.
Many of us barely have time to do the Daily Roulettes.

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If you are just doing your Daily Roulettes because that's all you have time for, then what exactly do you need a 230 relic weapon for? Those instances were meant to be cleared in like ilvl 200 gear. If you don't need it, then just do it casually. Also you may want to look into other methods of obtaining the items. Gather and do a daily map for a random drop chance or buy a bunch of maps if you have extra gil. Do hunts for esoterics, poetics, and allied seals all which can buy unidentifiable items. Do daily beast tribes. I believe they upped the amount of reputation they give and it used to only take 20 days to get from 0 reputation up to a point where you can get the items for unidentifiables and that's for two different ARR beast tribes.

As much as I hate to admit it, it's to shoehorn people into running Alex and 24-man dungeons to get their gear. There are people who don't want to invest the time and skill into statics and random DFs to try to get good enough to clear them, so the relic grinds are for them to get their 230s and 240s. Also, by having people grind so many dailies, it keeps SE's content relevant by having people continuously run the dungeons. THAT is the real reason why you have to grind.

Took me 5hrs to get the crystals (even though i had the Zeta weapons). Took me 2 weeks to get all the 80 items by just doing beast tribes and dailies and logging off. Played about 2-4 hours a day didn't feel the need to farm my self to boredom so i logged off after the dailies were done. Gathered and crafted all my items in probably 8 hrs spread out with in 3 days. Spent a total of around 3k because i was too lazy to go and mine one node. I work long hours, days off/after work i play :D

there's a lot to do but unlike 3.3 Anima you have more ways of getting the items (hunts/seals, beast tribes, tombstones, treasure maps)

The step isn't too long. And I'm afraid to even hear what your suggestion might be in order to make it "fair" to you. Also, don't presume to insult other players as if your time is worth more than theirs or that they must "have no life or nothing to do" in order to complete a Quest with literally twelve different methods of obtaining the required items. I'll list them. ARR Hunt Seals, purchase from your GC. Poetic Tomestones, Esoteric Tomestones, Kobold, Sylph, Amal'jaa and Sahagin Beast tribe daily quests, Vanu Vanu, Moogle, and Gnath also provide all four from their respective vendors, not to mention various Maps which drop a variety of the items. Also Alexander Gordias. Precision tokens can be exchanged. So you don't have time to do any of those things? Really?

The relics are not meant to be...easy.

I remember doing my DRG 50 relic, going 3 weeks without a single atma drop. i did my unidentified items in a few weeks for the 60 relic. you want to complain? it's 200 runs of every floor of Alexander Gordias 1-4, minus whatever Eso you spend on the two Token items you can buy in Idyllshire, plus 6 days on each of the beast tribes in HW to get enough tokens to get them - moogles excluded - (68 runs or something per item, 680/10 eso per run) and you can do the CT quest weekly to have your Aether Oils for your Hyper conductive stage now. Congratz by the way, SOME of us had to grind out 1800 eso per because there was no other way to get them. Some of us busted our butts for a good month to get our relics past that stage.

Now? now we have the latest stage, 300eso times...what? 80? less if we get lucky? I'm willing to put the time into my relic for this. I went to diadem. I collected my mats. I did my crafting (alt: buy mats, find crafter). I put in a lot of hours, yes...but will it be a reward in the end? Yes. a Relic isn't a handout. a Relic is something one works for. The whole point of it is that it will be Savage Tier equivalent without having to go raid and do savage content.

I'm a casual. I only get on for a bit at a time most of the time due to work, family, etc. It has taken me a long time to get the items. But I don't feel that they need to make it easier. Like others have said...you can just go get a totally different weapon. Run EX primals, buy one with tomes in Idyllshire. Not all of the content should be made easy. I started the relic from the first day they let us start them. I'm still finishing my unidentifieds. I have 5 left to go.

To be honest, I think this relic is way better than the last one. I'm not on the step to get my aether oils yet, but that didn't stop me from running the crystal tower dungeons throughout the week to get them. You can do any step of the relic regardless of what step you are on...I like that. It makes it much easier to obtain over the last one. It's fine how it is.

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引用元：Hasasmo

Oh, excuse me but not all people are like you who have no life and nothing to do.
Many of us barely have time to do the Daily Roulettes.

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Hm. I am an actress (line memorizing, filming etc.) BF is a full time student at nyu tandon. we both have multiple finished relics. By no means do we have "no life"

We also have done the raids. Doing stuff in game does not require you to live on the game...you just need better time management skills lol. Why play a MMORPG if you "barely have time to do daily roulettes"? Serious question. I would never touch a game or anything if my time was -that- limited..let alone a MMORPG.

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引用元：Saraphin

The relics are not meant to be...easy.

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Actually, the relic IS the easy option. But for that same reason, it's the long one.

Look around the forums and you'll see the relic gets no love from me at all, but I'm aware it was meant to be a long, easy road to something good, for those who lack the time/skill/desire to do more challenging content. Now, numbers show that even those who do have what it takes get relics anyways, but the relic largely remains both an equalizer among players, and a catalyst for sustaining/reviving older content. I frown upon it, openly and loudly, but I'm aware of its necessity, personal feelings aside.

But let's stop kidding ourselves about the relic not being "easy". The last time it was not easy, we had to fight the HM Primals fpr it, and people largely hated the challenge. Others thought it was TOO easy (those who had the skill/desire that is). For that reason and more, we all got a series of grinds.

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引用元：Hasasmo

I don't mind doing stuff like that, but man, day 1 atma is way easier than this, I've gotten my old relics without complaining because they were ok! They didn't require me to play and grind for hours and finish a single step in 2 months.
The costs for the unidentified items are a bit too much compared to other items you can get from ESTO

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The old relics used to be insane as well until they were nerfed into oblivion. I do think the cost is steep but it IS for the best weapon in the game so why should it be easy to get?

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引用元：SirBrighton

I agree, why make the best weapon in the game so hard to obtain? Just give it to everyone practically for free so they don't have to put any effort into it and can enjoy their awesome weapons, because everyone's special and deserves better treatment.

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There is never any middle ground with you people, it's either a mind numbing grind or they just give it away.

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引用元：SirBrighton

I agree, why make the best weapon in the game so hard to obtain? Just give it to everyone practically for free so they don't have to put any effort into it and can enjoy their awesome weapons, because everyone's special and deserves better treatment.

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To be fair, running stuff that gives esoteric's isn't hard and doesn't require much more effort than logging in and being bored for hours.

I will admit, I'm surprised this step didn't see any ease in difficulty with 3.3, considering that the reward is a fairly outdated 210 weapon and the step after it, bizarrely enough, is almost laughably easy to complete. I can't really say it bugs me, as I'm almost done mine and will work on another if I get bored enough, but I won't deny that it's surprising.

3 month grind to 230 or 3 hour grind over 7 weeks for a Lore weapon with accrued 1000 Lore.

It's easy to see why the Lore weapon will be favored more for casuals over the casual grind weapon.

The real question is... why is the ilvl200-210 step so hard when ilvl210 weapons are so easy to get from tomes? Total of 80 unidentifieds and 16 crafted items to get something equal to spending some tomes and 1 run of void ark to upgrade.

It makes no sense to me, the current sought after stage (ilvl230/240) should be the difficulty stage to work on. Not the stage that is mindnumbingly easy to get elsewhere.

The step isn't hard. And when it was released, it was just an option. Remember how the other i210 weapon was locked behind Savage Gordias until they added the Gobdip as an exchange option for the Void Ark token? Yeah? Cool. It's just an option. It makes complete sense in correlation to when it was released. And again, there are now TWELVE WAYS to get the items. Even before you could literally get it done pretty quickly just by doing Hunts as they gave Poetics, Esoterica, and Seals. So, uh. It isn't hard. It just takes a while. Time does not equal difficulty. The difficult option is the i240 Midan weapon. Savage Midas is hard. Using in game currency you get for completing just about ANY content is easy.

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引用元：TankHunter678

The real question is... why is the ilvl200-210 step so hard when ilvl210 weapons are so easy to get from tomes? Total of 80 unidentifieds and 16 crafted items to get something equal to spending some tomes and 1 run of void ark to upgrade.

It makes no sense to me, the current sought after stage (ilvl230/240) should be the difficulty stage to work on. Not the stage that is mindnumbingly easy to get elsewhere.

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Granted by the time you finish the 210 step, the majority of people will have the aether oils to instantly complete the 230 step

There are many people who can only play 3-4 days in a week who've already gotten their 210. In fact I'm pretty sure since it's been months that there would be people who could log in 1-2 days in a week that managed to get their 210 already. It's not a hard step, you earn the items as you play the game the way you want to play it.

If you think the step is too hard, wait for the nerf that comes in 3.4 or whenever Yoshida decides to implement one.

It was indirectly nerfed by the increase in Tomestones yield and the addition of two Beast Tribes that provide the items. I don't quite know that we'll see additional softening of the step until it's pretty late in the patch season.

I'm still on the 210 step for a number of reasons: disinterest (largely), not attempting to grind the unidentifiable items (and with even less gil/desire to pursue the crafts), the stats on the MCH relic were less favorable than other weapons I'd rather work/clear harder content for, and I didn't even like the look of it, so glamour wasn't even an option.

Sitting at 18/19/20/20, with no crafts, all the oils, and slowly starting to get Umbrites cause there's nothing else to do with Esos. . . By the time I might actually complete this, it'll be time for the next relic, and I'm only doing this one because I had promised to give it a fair chance.

I have yet to be motivated or inspired to even WANT a relic, present or future.

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引用元：Trixxy

Savage Midas is too hard!
Many people can't login and raid for hours, let alone do that kind of progression everyday.
The mechanics you're required to memorize are way over the top, It takes forever to learn them. We need to clear 4 difficult instances every week for a chance at receiving our weapon or 8 midas manifesto, the difficulty should be halved at least.
Not all players can raid everyday and do this progression.
The next chapter of Alexander will be there in 3.4 as well so it would be really great if this raid gets some premature balancing.
Thank you!

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I see what you did there.

If you want the relic. Grind it out. The 210 stage is still relevant to the grind. The effects of the difficulty are cumulative. You can use your i230s instead of your i200. In that sense the grind is slightly nerfed. I don't see them directly nerfing anything until 4.0.

EDIT: if they were going to nerf something about it, I would decrease the number of Alex normals needed, since the content is less relevant now and harder to solo queue.

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引用元：Hasasmo

Not all players can play everyday and do all this grind.

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dont play freakin mmos, if you have no time for those...

There's not much point in the relic besides glamor. It's gonna be obsolete by the time you finish it anyway so what's the point? I told Gerolt to screw off this time around and it was the best decision I ever made

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引用元：Rawrz

If you want the relic. Grind it out. The 210 stage is still relevant to the grind. The effects of the difficulty are cumulative. You can use your i230s instead of your i200. In that sense the grind is slightly nerfed. I don't see them directly nerfing anything until 4.0.

EDIT: if they were going to nerf something about it, I would decrease the number of Alex normals needed, since the content is less relevant now and harder to solo queue.

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It would be better to reduce the amount cost for all methods instead by half.

farming 680 tomes right now is a bit lighter compared to 10 Alex normal runs per day which is why Alex is not run alot.

Worry not, as 3.35 will undoubtedly "Coming into it's Own." Though I'm currently unsure whether it's going to be because they're going to introduce new tomes, or if they're just going to make it so that they exchange 1 for 1 for all of the Precision items you can get from A1-4.