Not a complaint or a request but, why are new trials locked out of duty finder?

I never understood the reasoning.

Because they're hard, and until the methods to beat them are well known and widespread, the DF population would never beat the fights.

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Originally Posted by Kitfox

Because they're hard, and until the methods to beat them are well known and widespread, the DF population would never beat the fights.

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Basically this.

Heck, people are failing Nidhogg normal a lot...it would take a lot of luck to get a good DF group just to get past the adds for ex right now...

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Originally Posted by Kitfox

Because they're hard, and until the methods to beat them are well known and widespread, the DF population would never beat the fights.

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Other than it possibly being "a waste of development resources" or whatever though...who cares? I've never understood it either. If people want to die to it endlessly in DF, why not let them? It's always seemed a rather arbitrary restriction to me.

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Originally Posted by loreleidiangelo

Other than it possibly being "a waste of development resources" or whatever though...who cares? I've never understood it either. If people want to die to it endlessly in DF, why not let them? It's always seemed a rather arbitrary restriction to me.

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They don't trust us not to harass random people until they add echo to it.

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Originally Posted by Kitfox

Because they're hard, and until the methods to beat them are well known and widespread, the DF population would never beat the fights.

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this answer is so old and clearly wrong. I can promise you that if it would be in duty finder or raid finder, people would clear it as quick or even quicker than the party finder on some of the servers. Lets look at my server for example, the whole party finder is full with carries or trap parties. Learning/Clear parties for weeks by the same person, yet this person doesn't even match the gear requirements or skills to even enter if SE would put a restriction on that.

Also if you feel that its to difficult to clear via duty finder than go with your party finder or static, however I think all the trials should be from day 1 in duty finder. Some people would be amazed how great DF can be :)

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Originally Posted by loreleidiangelo

Other than it possibly being "a waste of development resources" or whatever though...who cares? I've never understood it either. If people want to die to it endlessly in DF, why not let them? It's always seemed a rather arbitrary restriction to me.

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The bads will then flood the forums with cries of whining that they can't clear it and its too hard and it should be nerfed because its on the DF! So allowing capable people to have some fun while its not nerfed is ok by me. PF is there for a reason are people that lazy they can't make a PF?

I don't want to touch the other debate... but, I suspect it has more to do with wanting to collect data on the fight before opening it up to the more general public. They calculate the item level, decide on nerfs, buffs, adjustments, and then release it into the wild once the first burst of relevance is over.

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Originally Posted by bass9020

The bads will then flood the forums with cries of whining that they can't clear it and its too hard and it should be nerfed because its on the DF! So allowing capable people to have some fun while its not nerfed is ok by me. PF is there for a reason are people that lazy they can't make a PF?

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Are people that elitist that they can't bear it being in DF? That argument swings both ways, you know. :)

So far only Kerri's explanation makes any sense from a development standpoint, I think.

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Originally Posted by loreleidiangelo

Are people that elitist that they can't bear it being in DF? That argument swings both ways, you know. :)

So far only Kerri's explanation makes any sense from a development standpoint, I think.

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Can you guarantee there will be no 3 complain threads each day if the devs release them not nerfed into the DF?

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Originally Posted by bass9020

The bads will then flood the forums with cries of whining that they can't clear it and its too hard and it should be nerfed because its on the DF!

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No more so than can happen without being in DF. People who aren't good enough to clear something aren't good enough to clear it. Whether it's in PF or DF isn't going to affect the likelihood that they'll complain about that. That can start as soon as the content is part of the game.

And I walked into this thread expecting a complaint that someone on the 14 day free trial cannot get into dungeons or something ...