The Relic Weapons

Why is the quest to obtain an Animus Relic so long/difficult? Gathering the 12 Atma for the Atma Relic was so easy by comparison, and then the difficulty just skyrockets....why? Its been easy up to this point and now im just pulling at my hair over how annoyingly long it is taking to upgrade my Atma to Animus :/, it makes no sense D:

Someone please help me make sense of why the difficulty just skyrockets so hardcore D:

Edit: If I sound like I am whining I do apologize, its just stuff this difficult is something I am unaccustomed to and makes little sense to me. Dont we play games to have fun instead of working a second job? Cause thats what this part of the relic quest is feeling like right now...a second job instead of something fun, and that defeats the purpose of a game. No I am not asking to just have something handed to me, I do like a challenge, but there is a difference between playing a game that has a challenge, and doing something thats so challenging its like a second job.

this is a joke thread right? the old relic is extremely easy to finish.

relic is the ultimate weapon in the game that can be obtained without raiding , it is supposed to be difficult to get , otherwise it will be just like any other weapon without any sense of achievement

With all the nerfes, when I decided to do one just to see how it was, I had it in a week's time °___°

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Originally Posted by Kaze3434

this is a joke thread right? the old relic is extremely easy to finish.

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Funny how people always assume this.....exactly how pray tell is going from Atma to Animus easy? And how long did it take you to do?

The Animus books are by far the grindiest part of the old relic. Just keep at it, don't burn yourself out and maybe only task yourself with doing only 1 book a day?

When I finished my Animus phase it took me less than a day to get to the Zodiac phase. The rest of the relic past the books is a breeze to finish.

Tip: Sastasha/Tam Tara unsync are the fastest light you will get. If you run one and it doesn't have bonus, switch to the other.

Old relic quest used to be a lot tougher ( lower chance drops from fates, having to kill 10 of each enemy for the book part instead of three, drops at the end of the dungeon weren't guaranteed so you'd spend the whole day farming a single item, and the amount of light gathered per dungeon was lower I think.)

Do a little each day and you can have it done in a month I think. It can probably be done in 10 days if you can push ( and also if you've got some crafting friends to help you with that part, or at least the gil to buy the items yourself.)

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Originally Posted by itti18

relic is the ultimate weapon in the game that can be obtained without raiding , it is supposed to be difficult to get , otherwise it will be just like any other weapon without any sense of achievement

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Im assuming then that Raid weapons are better then any level of the Relic weapons? Even the highest possible (Reconditioned Anima)?

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Originally Posted by CorbinDallas

The Animus books are by far the grindiest part of the old relic. Just keep at it, don't burn yourself out and maybe only task yourself with doing only 1 book a day?

When I finished my Animus phase it took me less than a day to get to the Zodiac phase. The rest of the relic past the books is a breeze to finish.

Tip: Sastasha/Tam Tara unsync are the fastest light you will get. If you run one and it doesn't have bonus, switch to the other.

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I work 8 hours a day, 5 days a week, 7.5 hours a day technically cause i have to take a 30 minute break, and I only get 2 days off, so how did you do it so easily?

By doing what I said. 12 books, 12 days. I was working the same hours you do when I was tackling the ARR relic. It takes about an hour per book, if you're lucky with FATE spawns. Do the dungeons unsynced with a friend, they take no time at all.

Group the tasks per area. Say you have a FATE, 3 sets of mobs, and a leve quest all in the same area, do them all before moving on to the next area. It saves pointless teleporting everywhere.

Its made to be a time sink and a way to help bring traffic to old content. We pretty much become employees for them and our reward is a shiny weapon that will be a downgrade after several or a few months. That and some ppl actually think grinding is fun.

Last I recall the relic weapon is here to reward people taking time to do it
If the ground is so huge it's because it's suppose to take time to have it

And I agree the atma book are the most boring part but they are now extremely easier to achieve and cost nothing
The light part are also insanely fun because you just have to farm sastacha lv15 in 3 min again and again, then 1h later your weapon is ready XD

Some are saying it's easy because it is. Before any nerf whatsoever some of us it had taken 4 months or more of grinding fates for the 12 atma, the dungeon drop stage was better but still very bad, also light was rather long. Now it's a breeze.
The book stage, and not even kidding here fates would take up to 3 hrs to spawn. So 4+ months, compaired to now max 2 weeks
Current Anima Relic because can add some custom stats is 2nd best weapon atm for most if not all jobs with the weapon from Savage being the best.

Because it is a Relic.
Something that is so valuable that it is unique in look, upgrade-able through several stages, has its own lore and cutsenes and its own unique set of items that are developed only to get a relic weapon.

It takes time and effort because time and effort went into implementing them, and its a valuable tool to keep older content running here and there.

Its honestly only as hard as you make it. The Anima weapons are "meant" to be done over time (usually 2-3 months on average). If you wanted to get it in 1-2 weeks, yeah, you're gonna have a bad time. I'm taking the very casual route to finishing my Anima and also working 40hrs/5days, so I can relate. I just do a few daily roulettes (not minding if I miss one) to get Esoterics and Poetics, spend my allowances getting Vilekin, and doing the 24-man raids once a week. It's really just become part of the background things I do while playing FFxiv, thats the only way I can make it feel like "non-work".


Edit: I just realized you're talking about the old relic, not the current one. Whoops

(If I recalled it use to be 10X of 5 different mobs + 3 Dungeon Bosses per page)X3 per book X 15 Books

total 50 Mobes 6 bosses 3 Fates per book
I belever there were 12 books at the time so we had to do 600 Mobs 36 Dungeon Bosses and 36 Fates wich could take anywhere from 2-3 hours per spawn.

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Originally Posted by Ootarion

Im assuming then that Raid weapons are better then any level of the Relic weapons? Even the highest possible (Reconditioned Anima)?

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best Raid ilevel = best Relic ilevel +5 (currently it is ilevel 245 for best raid weapon and ilevel 240 for best relic weapon)
If better or worse depend of the secondary stats on the raid weapon.

Also you don't need ilevel 70-130 relic questline to start the anima weapon questline (start with ilevel 170).

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Originally Posted by itti18

relic is the ultimate weapon in the game that can be obtained without raiding , it is supposed to be difficult to get , otherwise it will be just like any other weapon without any sense of achievement

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ultimate weapon...lol.
usually it's the same lv as other weps you can get, and only catch up to raid weps a month before new raid weps are released.
the good part about this step, is that you can choose stats, unlike before when many weps had shit stats, so there was no point in getting them.
relic is usually waste of time, when you could just kill seph, and get an equally good wep.
what lv is new step? i guess it's 235, and apparently nidhogg is easy, so it's faster to just kill him, and get a 235 weps, for much less hassle.
relic is just vanity item - e-peen for the elite players who race to be first to get it, and afk a week in idyll, to show off.

New step is 240 but takes a while to do. Customizable stats and an extra tier V materia melded into it as a bonus. (Basically it's like a weapon with 3 V's melded IIRC, which so far is impossible on other weapons since most weapons only have 2 slots)

Depending on your job's lore weapon secondaries the relic will be slightly better than it even when it gets up to 240. Not by much though. Only way to get accuracy on a weapon which helps healers a lot if they don't want to spend money on penta melds or can free up some melds for other stuff like VIT on accessories.

For non min-maxers, doesn't matter too much as the difference is small enough to not be worth the effort most of the time but that's always been the case with relic.

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Originally Posted by Radacci

ultimate weapon...lol.
usually it's the same lv as other weps you can get, and only catch up to raid weps a month before new raid weps are released.

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I guess the current step need around 1 month to finish. That would be 2 month before the next raid.
What is the average time between new raid comin ingame and new raid weapon in the hand?

It's not taking that long. 1 day per step is all you need. Only missing 4 relics now, with 1 novus and 3 atma weapons now, I will finish them all soon.

The Warriors axe in deep black looks as awesome with the Odin costume as the sword and shield in metallic blue together with the warrior of light full armor from crystal tower.

Most gorgeous things I've ever seen.

Lets take a look at it before and after the nerfs :

(before)
1) 12 crystals from fates (drop rate was like 0.005%)
2) 9 Books (100 mobs, fates and most of the fates had a timer of 2 - 12 hrs, can't remember the exact number, dungeons - you weren't able to unsync or solo them)
3) Alexandrite (hated that part so much, drop rate was even worse than the fate crystals)
4) Special Items from the dungeons (the drop rate was like 1% if even, you couldn't solo the dungeon and que's could take up to 2 hrs, you wouldn't know if you got the drop till you left the dungeon)
5) Lights (do I have to say more? You gained lights in dungeons/trials/hunts/ I think there was something else too but i forgot lol, Some dungeons/trials gave you bonus but that window was only 4 hrs long, some windows were primals that a lot of people couldn't finish sucessfully, therefore you spent hrs in that trial trying to not miss out on the bonus window.)

(after the hundreds of nerfs)
1) Crystals drop rate has been increased (it's like every third fate you get one, not even kidding)
2) 9 Books but the mobs have been reduced, the fate spawn rates are reduced, dungeons can be solo'd - unsync'd, leves take 2 minutes to finish)
3) Alexandrite (old A and S ranks, most A ranks can be solo'd, maps (eso + daily map quest), fates drop rate increased)
4) Special Items from dungeons (now 100% drop rate after you finished the dungeon)
5) Lights (dungeons can be solo'd and you'll be able to gain lights, there's no reason to wait for a bonus window anymore)

Before the nerf it took 2 - 8 months depending on the player to finish the relic.
After the nerf it takes 4 - 7 hrs and that includes bathroom breaks lol.

I don't think it's hard/difficult to get the old relic, wait for the new relic that you can start at level 60. Not difficult either but super time consuming compared to the old relics (after the nerf of course)

Used to be much harder; those groups of 3 random enemies? Used to be 10, those easy unsynced dungeons? Unsynced wasn't a thing till heavensward, and i beleive, the books themselves used to cost 200 soldiery tomestones.

The animus books burnt me out....I did 1 per day so I didn't feel like slamming my head into a glass shard. They did nerf it from 10 enemies to 3 so at least there's that but it's still suuuuuch a pain. The reason it was nerfed was bc originally it suposed to be a time sink to keep ppl busy but now it is only glamour.


4-7 hours to finish the relic is a giant over exaggeration even after the 3.1 nerfs. The first step took me a good 5 hours, 12 hours(total over 10 days) for the second, Alex took two or three days bc poetic cost & 50 roulette & a couple mil, light was the most burning out bc I was desperate so I spammed ifrit normal(25 seconds) & tam tara(fastest unsynced dungeon @ 7-10 mins about 40 runs needed to cap), & even though the dungeons could be soloed & have 100% drop it still takes 10-15 mins per run and there's 15ish dungeons & again you'll burn yourself out & for the final step just repeated the light step except you also need like 90 poe per thing & there's twelve so that took two days, it took me about 3ish weeks to finish & I was so burnt out I didn't even wanna play lol

Ill never understand why people think the books to be the worst part of the quest line. The next step was what roughly 75 days minimum to complete and not to mention buying the materia if you didn't spirit bond? And soul glazing was so exiting too omg! Give me a break the books were by far the best step except for the original quest of getting the relic.

@LunaFaye little correction for alexandrite => 75 poetic for one map that give 5 Alex diable in 20 sec each

Litteraly to gather 75 Alex you need 20 min counting teleportation which is the most time consulting and because you can only have 2 maps on you

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Originally Posted by Nekotee

@LunaFaye little correction for alexandrite => 75 poetic for one map that give 5 Alex diable in 20 sec each

Litteraly to gather 75 Alex you need 20 min counting teleportation which is the most time consulting and because you can only have 2 maps on you

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Except you need the actual poetics to get the maps unless you can magically make them appear out of thin air.

You're still looking at having to run a few level 50's if you don't have capped poetics adding more time.

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Originally Posted by Felis

What is the average time between new raid comin ingame and new raid weapon in the hand?

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1 week? good groups tend to clear it rather quickly.
and relic is pointless unless you're raiding anyway.

Everyone saying the Atma was so easy....RNG is a cruel monster sometimes.....I was stuck in South Thanalan for 2 months....2 freakin months. I happened to be north of little alamhigo gathering when a fate spawned on me. Switched to WAR, killed the fate, got an atma. After that I struggled to get the others, even AFTER they nerfed it. What is easy to some isn't so easy for others. Experiences may vary.

Alexandrite was the worst part by far.. I hated every moment of that step.

The books? I thought they were fine. Kill 10 of this. Do that leve. Wait for that FATE. Fine, cool. Leveled Pokemon while waiting for a FATE, no biggie. But even thinking about Alexandrite still gives me headaches.

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Originally Posted by AskaRay

Alexandrite was the worst part by far.. I hated every moment of that step.

The books? I thought they were fine. Kill 10 of this. Do that leve. Wait for that FATE. Fine, cool. Leveled Pokemon while waiting for a FATE, no biggie. But even thinking about Alexandrite still gives me headaches.

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Yep I totally agree, the books I enjoyed I even liked the UI for them! I will never understand the hate for them.

OP is clearly trolling. The 12 atma at launch were hard to gether and then the alexandrite phase, OMG, and lets not talk about light gathering and light bonus windows. And those books( before the nerf), they were terrible grind. If anything the anima weapon is less than half the work of the old relic weapon questline.

Anima weapon is fine, dont change anything devs.

May be he started to play the game when it was already needed or got amnesia and only remember the after nerfed and think that happened when it just came out.

I agree it can be a long process but difficult? Not particularly. Do the roulettes and it would take you a little over a month to get the necessary amount of Umbrites (80 max). If you throw a couple of ARF runs in there you decrease that time even more. Is it grindy as hell? Yeah, absolutely. It does seem like a lot of work for a 2nd tier weapon though, but I am not inclined to do Savage to try and get the 240 lore weapon/ 245 Alexander weapons so I will gladly shoot for the 240 relic.

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Originally Posted by LunaFaye

3) Alexandrite (hated that part so much, drop rate was even worse than the fate crystals)

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You did it wrong.
Most people ignored the FATEs and farmed the alexandrites with daily expert dungeon quest and hunt.

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Originally Posted by Felis

You did it wrong.
Most people ignored the FATEs and farmed the alexandrites with daily expert dungeon quest and hunt.

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Not that it matters but yes I did do that too. However to that time I was able to play 19 hrs a day. I wasn't gonna sit there and wait for the daily reset or hunts to respawn, I tried farming fates on top of that in between our raids, to get the weapon faster.