For those vote abandon after 1-2 wipe... srsly?

Hi,

Our last 6 run from 24 man raid groups totally failed (We had tough luck with group C keep wiping on Meteor) and I know it's pain getting wipe by one person mistake. But I don't understand those people who cast vote to abandon after 1-2 wipes. Unless there is a troll or people equipment start breaking, there is no point voting imho. I think they just want to get easy ride with raid in progress with group knows all mech but c'mon be a man and take 30min penalty!

I never cleared myself but I can't wait for jump on queue after work. I think this is the 1st 24 man raid that worth doing other than weekly drop.

Sometimes you know if a group is just a lost cause.

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Originally Posted by Canadane

Sometimes you know if a group is just a lost cause.

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This. Yesterday I had a group in Sohr Kai, on the second boss we had him down to 80% and lost all the gravestones. On the second attempt he was at 70% when we lost all the gravestones, after that I just gave up.

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Originally Posted by Canadane

Sometimes you know if a group is just a lost cause.

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Yeah but I think we can give some slack on for those people who is not familiar with mechanic before cast vote after 1-2 wipe. :/

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Originally Posted by Canadane

Sometimes you know if a group is just a lost cause.

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Then they can leave if they think it such a lost cause.

A final steps of fate run I was in did a vote abandon after a few wipes but I felt it was warranted. Our group kept wiping at the same spot because the dps just wasn't high enough to kill the 3 adds before the knock back. After a few wipes at that same spot it was clear that the group just didn't have the dps to clear the encounter. It wouldn't have made sense to just mindlessly keep ramming our head into it till the timer ran out.

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Originally Posted by skyfox

Hi,

Our last 6 run from 24 man raid groups totally failed (We had tough luck with group C keep wiping on Meteor) and I know it's pain getting wipe by one person mistake. But I don't understand those people who cast vote to abandon after 1-2 wipes. Unless there is a troll or people equipment start breaking, there is no point voting imho. I think they just want to get easy ride with raid in progress with group knows all mech but c'mon be a man and take 30min penalty!

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But wait o.o

What if the player is a female, how do they become a ma...

You know what you can ignore this post.

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Originally Posted by Nicodemus_Mercy

A final steps of fate run I was in did a vote abandon after a few wipes but I felt it was warranted. Our group kept wiping at the same spot because the dps just wasn't high enough to kill the 3 adds before the knock back. After a few wipes at that same spot it was clear that the group just didn't have the dps to clear the encounter. It wouldn't have made sense to just mindlessly keep ramming our head into it till the timer ran out.

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Yup gotta analyze the situations in which makes a party wipe. Lack of DPS is probably a NO go. Unless everyone can boost their stats a bit with food or LB the last add, it might be impossible. But in other situations it might work if theres team work.

Ya, this is srs bsns

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Originally Posted by Lexia

Then they can leave if they think it such a lost cause.

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The majority agree if the vote abandon goes through.

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Originally Posted by Astrapls

The majority agree if the vote abandon goes through.

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Not really, a lot of people will just click yes on anything. Vote Abandon pops up Yes, Kick party member pops up Yes. See it a lot, and what about the people that do vote abandon and it does fail so they keep doing it instead of leaving?

I was running Weeping City for my second clear and the other teams wanted to vote abandon because our group was made up of 6 new players to the fight. The final part of Ozma was giving us a bit of a rough time. So while the 2 of us who cleared it are offering help to the other 6 with the fight, a few others in the alliance wanted to vote abandon, we took Ozma down to 10% and 7% both the times we had a vote abandon put into place, after both times failed the people asking for it got mad and quit out. New players joined and bam blew through Ozma and the final boss on the first try.

It just seems while most of this community asked for harder non raid content, the ones who can handle it don't want to give people who aren't used to it the chance to breathe and learn it. Pretty sad actually.

While there are plenty of groups that can make it if they just didn't abandon after two wipes, sometimes you truly can just tell when its bad. Like when half your dps keep wiping to the same AoE's in Final Steps for example.

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Originally Posted by Lexia

Not really, a lot of people will just click yes on anything. Vote Abandon pops up Yes, Kick party member pops up Yes. See it a lot, and what about the people that do vote abandon and it does fail so they keep doing it instead of leaving?

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I don't know where you get this idea lol. That seems like a vast generalization.

Yes people who spam vote abandon are annoying. It's not needed.

If a group is a lost cause I vote abandon no matter what the duty is. I don't click yes because /omg/ its a yes button!!! haha really??

If the vote abandon fails and were not clearing, I leave. No brainer.

Not gonna lie, I accidentally clicked yes on one of them because I thought it was a ready check.

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Originally Posted by Canadane

Sometimes you know if a group is just a lost cause.

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95% of the time it's really just people overreacting to be honest.

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Originally Posted by Seoulstar

95% of the time it's really just people overreacting to be honest.

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I have a three strikes rule, honestly.

If we're making barely any progress and people keep dying to the same thing repeatedly, I'll usually jump out because it's a lost cause to me. Significant progress lets me bend my own rule, but rarely is that the case with most groups.

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Originally Posted by Lexia

Then they can leave if they think it such a lost cause.

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Lets not get carried away here

I'm the type of person that stays till the end no mater how bad the group is. Give tips, don't be mean, they will learn eventually. I HATE people who put others down and they are usually the ones that vote kick or abandon for silly reasons -_________-

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Originally Posted by Roegadyn_Bear

I have a three strikes rule, honestly.

If we're making barely any progress and people keep dying to the same thing repeatedly, I'll usually jump out because it's a lost cause to me. Significant progress lets me bend my own rule, but rarely is that the case with most groups.

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Really? Cause I'm 200% positive that you and your friend Submissive Bear were two of the people in my last Ozma clear that kept screaming at my alliance to stop dying on the final phase despite us telling everyone we had 6 new players to contented with. So yes, I think Seoulstar is right in saying that overreacting plays apart in people using vote abandon and how they judge players. Given on the 3rd try we blew through Ozma and downed Calofisteri first attempt.

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Originally Posted by Jetstream_Fox

Really? Cause I'm 200% positive that you and your friend Submissive Bear were two of the people in my last Ozma clear that kept screaming at my alliance to stop dying on the final phase despite us telling everyone we had 6 new players to contented with. So yes, I think Seoulstar is right in saying that overreacting plays apart in people using vote abandon and how they judge players. Given on the 3rd try we blew through Ozma and downed Calofisteri first attempt.

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I did mention to stop dying once (I remember that part for sure, but no screaming was involved unless you consider "CAN YOU GUYS PLEASE STOP DYING." screaming), then someone else on my alliance mentioned something about our alliance carrying the rest (which wasn't true by the way, we had a bad tank, bad bard, and one of the Summoners had low DPS).

I did leave after the third wipe, but only because the person I was helping decided to leave. If you downed him after we left, that would make that the fourth attempt.

Congratulations on your clear though.

I normally find after 2nd or 3rd fail the person who initiated multiple vote abandons leaves. After this we get a new player and we clear the dungeon straight away.

This is why when I raid I switch my chat to battle because of the hot headed ocd players that rage for the dumbest things.I have nothing against new people.They have to learn and there is nothing worth getting mad about.In short I gave up on people.My character name is lost hope for a reason.I wish emotionally immature people would stop playing.

I don't know the frequency, but it seems to be more often than not, when someone initiates the Vote Abandon, usually they are, if not the entire problem, a significant source of the problem.

I don't know if it is people wanting a carry, people not wanting to carry others, or just PMS ...

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Originally Posted by Jetstream_Fox

It just seems while most of this community asked for harder non raid content, the ones who can handle it don't want to give people who aren't used to it the chance to breathe and learn it. Pretty sad actually.

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This. Funny seeing all the "pls don't nerf Wiping City" threads while in game you get people raging after 1 wipe during the first reset.

To those who get frustrated in bad groups. Content being harder for you also means it's harder for others, so while you enjoy the new challenge others might struggle to figure out the mechanics you already figured out. Teach and be patient, and maybe things won't get nerfed this time. It's up to us as a community to show we can handle it.

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Originally Posted by Roth_Trailfinder

I don't know if it is people wanting a carry, people not wanting to carry others, or just PMS ...

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All of the above...

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Originally Posted by Roth_Trailfinder

I don't know the frequency, but it seems to be more often than not, when someone initiates the Vote Abandon, usually they are, if not the entire problem, a significant source of the problem.

I don't know if it is people wanting a carry, people not wanting to carry others, or just PMS ...

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I agree this is the case 9/10 times