Google translate isn't the best for Japanese, so trying to figure out what's going on in the Japanese /general forums is difficult to do. That being said, what are the hot topics on the Japanese forums? Are the complaint topics similar to that of the NA forums in regards to 3.3 content difficulty, achievement requirements for mounts, lack of housing, etc.?
A lot of the curiosity comes from the behavioral differences of how the Japanese servers treat DF/PF, which is seemingly entirely opposite of NA. It's almost like I envision a clear every time DF is queued up, so there are likely fewer complaints of Nidhogg/Weeping city.
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06-10-2016, 04:50 AMGreydorAny Happenings on the Japanese Forums? Recent 3.3 Complaints?
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06-10-2016, 05:01 AModie
I can't imagine anyone complaining more than the English forums.
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06-10-2016, 05:08 AMNiciLOL...ahhhh this made me laugh nonstop for a good five minuets, i'm so tempted to use your quote as my sig on these forums lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by odie
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06-10-2016, 05:16 AMRoegadyn_BearNo kidding.Quote:
Originally Posted by odie
Howler monkeys have nothing on us. -
06-10-2016, 05:45 AMSakuraluna
I am curious how they're responding to the housing, and if they're having the same issues with people buying and reselling.
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06-10-2016, 05:53 AMHorrorStory
There's a topic over there right now discussing Ozma's difficulty and WCoM in general.
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06-10-2016, 05:55 AMDeceptistar
When i read about the housings yesterday they had more threads regarding what sort of 'additions' could be made to make housing better.
Not so much, if any, complaining about everyone deserving housing and stuff.
Granted, that side doesnt seem to have a whole butt load of prominent players buying up plots just to resell...
And then I look at our side of the forums and there is a whopping load of 'we deserve this, we deserve that, and greedy resellers'
As far as that side is concerned, reselling isnt that much of a major prob. like our side. And thus, those that didnt get houses, are more accepting of the fact that they got beat out of no house.
They seem to be focused more on the new instances and mechanics -
06-10-2016, 06:09 AMeschaton
People from the west do tend to be more vocal about things they disagree with. For a huge part this is a cultural thing, and not a bad thing by definition. It is hard to directly compare the western ego with the eastern one, as people are born in its veil and both need their context.
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06-10-2016, 07:46 AMTaranTatsuuchiThat makes me wonder how things would go if they had the same reselling problems over there as over here...Quote:
Originally Posted by Deceptistar
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06-10-2016, 07:52 AMpushin_tin
I took a gander at the thread over there about Ozma, and there are actually quite a few complaints about the difficulty.
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06-10-2016, 09:04 AMSakuralunaThanks! I'm not too worried about being beat for a house, but this did sort of answer the question I had.Quote:
Originally Posted by Deceptistar
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06-10-2016, 09:14 AMMomomiMomiThe problem would have been resolved long ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by TaranTatsuuchi
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06-10-2016, 09:18 AMVele:( If even JP players are complaining then now it seems far more likely Ozma and/or the raid in general will be nerfed...Quote:
Originally Posted by pushin_tin
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06-10-2016, 09:32 AMEulI doubt they complained the Ozma lol, maybe I'll try question my neigbor about it later.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vele
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06-10-2016, 09:43 AMRoegadyn_BearCareful now, someone might jump in and accuse you of xenophobia!Quote:
Originally Posted by MomomiMomi
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06-10-2016, 09:59 AMNayoutOh come on... /facepalmQuote:
Originally Posted by Roegadyn_Bear
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06-10-2016, 10:15 AMNaesakiAshwellTo be fair its not that far-fetched, people have been called xenophobic for much less.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nayout
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06-10-2016, 11:47 AMsaber_alter
*turns off lurk mode for the first time in months*
maybe, maybe not. it matters little either way. Ozma isn't difficult, but does require you to pay attention. effectively, it's dumbass proof.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vele
so true it hurts.Quote:
Originally Posted by NaesakiAshwell
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06-10-2016, 12:07 PMLulu89
You think just because their JP their not QQing and fighting about that SAME crap.. Your DEAD wrong. just as bad. And sometime more open about it then other forums. They are just as human as everyone elos and fight over the same crap. Iv seen many of the post and read a few.. Oo ya just as bad.
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06-10-2016, 01:33 PMNekodar
One thing to remember also is that they tend to keep one thread per topic, not 10 threads per topic.
Here we often see several threads per topic, with the same people posting in each, making it look like there is a lot more complaints than there really is. -
06-10-2016, 01:35 PMNekodarIt's not difficult though...Quote:
Originally Posted by pushin_tin
A bigger problem is players that watch tv or netflix on another monitor rather than actually pay attention to the game. -
06-10-2016, 01:44 PMWarlyxyeah lets forget EU exist :rolleyes: that old continent....and AUS ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Lulu89
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06-10-2016, 06:05 PMRoegadyn_BearAustralian gamers really get the short end of the stick in most games, though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Warlyx
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06-10-2016, 06:31 PMYasuhiroAustralian here, we're no better than most sterotypical NA players (moaning, wanting to VA after 1 wipe, the "me me me!" mentality, etc) and JP often confuse us for NA.Quote:
Originally Posted by Warlyx
Even in other games we're told we're obnoxious with our bantz
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06-10-2016, 06:39 PMFinaSel
People in Japanese forum kind of talk about the same things, but usually not as...strongly.
As mentioned, there is one about the difficulty of Ozma. Some people think it is the best raid made so far. (I didn't read through the entire thread though.)
And then a little below is another person talking about how the game is too easy compared to other FF games.
There is another one about removing GC restrictions in PVP. The OP has 226 likes. It seems just like on the English forum, people don't like it. Or rather, they feel there is no need for the restriction.
From what I've seen, there doesn't seem to be much complaining about lack of housing. But there were two threads about making the orchestration easier to hear.
Even in the game, most people aren't complaining about much. In fact, I didn't hear one complaint about housing while playing.
And the most I heard about Ozma was "I don't understand the mechanics."
I've never heard one person (in the game, not on the forums) say "Ozma is too hard!" or complain like that.
A lot of people were praising the raid, other dungeons, the story, new crafting system, changes to scrips, etc. -
06-10-2016, 11:43 PMAsteriaStarfall
The big difference between Japan and US players is quite simply, lately, the generation seems to feel entitled to a lot of things. If they feel that something doesn't fit into their way of thinking it should be changed. Hence why you see a lot more complaining on the forums. We (The U.S) have a difficult concept that while something may be harder for us, that doesn't mean it should be changed for everyone else as well. Suck it up, learn, improve, and down it.
However with that being said. The problem with the raid is as follows.
1) New mechanics that everyone believes they should have down pat in one pull attempt.
2) Getting all 24 players in the raid to get on the same page at the same time is nothing short of a miracle and you will have many players that feel that they don't want to wait for those that learn slower and will vote abandon quickly.
3) This one is i feel an SE problem. The game mainly caters to casual players. I have zero issue with this. However, you usually have two modes Hard and Savage(Extreme). If you want to make these types of raids, then make an extreme version that has the harder mechanics that requires everyone to be working together. In a casual raid, having 1-2 players mess things up should not be a wipe for an entire group. You should be able to recover from it, and in some cases you can in this raid, but there are a few mechanics that if just a couple people mess up, it might spell doom for the entire group.
I'm all for the separation of casual and hardcore players. When i played WoW, i played as a die hard raider, people walking around in LFR (looking for raid, basically a complete watered down version) gear i felt deserved that gear if they are not going to put in time. When i switched to Final Fantasy, i decided i wanted to be casual and not have to raid 2-4 nights a week. I again would have zero issue if SE designed two version of the raid, and the items that came from casual mode were no where near as good as the savage. I think that will be how SE can win raiders to this game.
In all, i feel that SE tried to develop a harder raid because it was called for, and in terms of designing challenging content they did really well! I applaud this new raid in terms of difficulty compared to lets say Void Ark. In that SE you have my full support. But in the end, don't forget about your casual players as well. While they may want a challenge, they may not want the same level of challenge seasoned raiders are accustomed to.
I know i made this post specifically about the new raid, while the OP was a general post, however i felt it was the best way to express how i felt about terms of difficulty. -
06-12-2016, 08:37 AMYGSLlewYou clearly never have been to the german forums before ^.-Quote:
Originally Posted by odie
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06-12-2016, 08:50 AMChiapet
There are times where the Japanese players have been quite ... harsh.. putting it lightly. I recall there have been times when the Japanese forums have told devs to self harm. I think its important to remember that regardless of culture, language, or where you live .. there are jerks and unhappy people everywhere. That's not to say there arent good people.. but they're no different from us really. A mix.
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06-12-2016, 09:27 AMMimiluYou do know that this is a thread asking what the Japanese forums thinks of 3.3 and not your soapbox, right? σwσQuote:
Originally Posted by AsteriaStarfall
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06-12-2016, 11:13 AMVials
If Ozma gets nerfed it's a disgrace.
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06-12-2016, 11:25 AMChiramuThe grass isn't any greener. I've met some downright awful JP players ><.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chiapet
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06-12-2016, 07:30 PMNaesakiAshwellAwful players come from all walks of life :s It has never been an exclusively English fault though many would try to claim it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chiramu
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06-12-2016, 07:42 PMYasuhiroJP players tend to be more passive agressive I've seen where as English players are aggressive and don't hold back what they want to sayQuote:
Originally Posted by Chiramu
Both are annoying but I find the passive aggressiveness to be worse, happen too many times on this forum too, comes off as cowardly. The best part is, they'll talk in Japanese and think you can't understand them then I reply back saying "Advice is much appreciated" in Japanese :P