I personally find that the only incentive to level multiple jobs to 60 is to test them out or play with them in a casual setting. This is because of the current raid lockout system. Currently, we are allowed to try out other jobs without creating an alt and repeating the MSQ but we are forced to choose a single job for endgame raiding. The way the current system works is that we farm the content on our main jobs first then we go in on alt jobs. As more jobs are added not everyone will want to stick with a single job.
I feel like we're trying too hard to separate the community through raiding when we should be trying to bring it together. I have an idea on how to help both sides of the community Raiders & Casuals who want to try.
Allow us an extra manifesto per role*Not Job for people who can't distinguish the two* helping at least 4 members who haven't cleared for the week. An example would be if I cleared as ANY Tank Job I no longer get a manifesto clearing as that role BUT if I switch to A Healer, Caster DPS, Melee DPS or Ranged DPS and help 4 others who haven't cleared I get another Manifesto. This gives the extra jobs we leveled an immediate purpose. Restrict the allowance to 2 or 3 roles per week.
Even with the new Raid PF the lockout still doesn't give more players incentive to help beyond a single clear. Some people still won't help and others still won't want only 1 chest especially if the aren't new to clearing it. At least with an additional manifesto players who aren't overly concerned with the chests can still benefit & the people that help can as well.
The current system is punishing to players (new players or players coming back from inactivity) that start raiding late or players who have trouble finding a group. With RNG and a single manifesto, some players won't get the gear they desire depending on how close they clear to the next patch. This gives us more chances at loot and newer players a better chance getting into the content and clearing. One thing I forgot to add: If raids were set up this way there would be no need for 'catch up patches' and the time could be spent creating more content like extra raiding tiers.
*It seems like people are mistaking Jobs & Roles or are just disagreeing based on how I typed it or other reasons, so I will bold the Original statement that was never edited* TLDR; Give us 2-3 Maifestos per week instead of one if we play different roles& help @ least 4 ppl who haven't cleared
13 Jobs & 1 weekly lock out Fix Suggestion
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06-06-2016, 05:26 PMAnimarelic13 Jobs & 1 weekly lock out Fix Suggestion
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06-06-2016, 05:28 PMDarkmoonVael
It wouldnt work since you can get all the manifestos for all thirteen jobs in one week then spend them all on one jobs gear.
EDIT: Raid finder is there more for those who are having difficulty finding a static or dont raid with a static. Or for raiders alts. -
06-06-2016, 05:28 PMLambadelta
They want the content to last a long amount of time. This lockout is to ensure that it takes awhile to get items. Your going to have to live with this.
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06-06-2016, 05:37 PMAnimarelicI wasn't finished editing "Restrict the allowance to 2 or 3 roles per week." Is what I was adding. NOWHERE DID I EVER INSIST WE HAVE 13 MANIFESTOS I clearly typed Allow us an extra manifesto per role Not Job. Also there is only 5 roles if you look at how they break down PvP Que and divide the Roles into Caste, Range and Melee so using that system there wouldn't be 13 manifestos only 5 per week at the most.Quote:
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06-06-2016, 05:37 PMNekotee
Beside with the new crafted stuff for DoM and DoW you can still be competitive and run savage content
I have all 3 hea and 2 caster ready for any savage with mostly crafted melded stuff and a shit ton of lore i don't even know what to do with... -
06-06-2016, 05:52 PMDarkmoonVaelWell your edit makes no difference (and should have been in from the start when you posted the OP, and not put in once someone pointed out the huge flaw). People will still gear up 3 times faster than otherwise (there are only 3 roles in the game acknowledged by the devs: tanks healers and dps).Quote:
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Also nothing in the system is punishing anyone. There is nothing stopping these players you are describing setting up their own raid group of people in similar situations. -
06-06-2016, 05:53 PMRufalusYeah each savage raid needs to last 6+ months until the next savage raid is released. Maybe people are already progressing too fast lol.Quote:
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06-06-2016, 05:56 PMAnimarelicYou didn't point out the flaw because it still stood that there are ONLY 5 types of roles. just like they do for Feast PvP where they break the roles down Caster, Range and Melee. You should check into things before you type. It was a Copy Paste and got clipped because I pre type my longer posts. Also even if they added a second manifesto no one would complain about getting the max item in 1 month versus two.Quote:
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If the raids were set up the way I was suggesting they could use the odd patch to add more content on instead or add more raiding tiers.Quote:
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06-06-2016, 06:10 PMKhalitharNot exactly true, they could simply make the manifesto for the class you play similar to the way gear is. I.E. Manifesto of Fending, Manifesto of Healing, Manifesto of Striking, etc. It still forces people to clear the content on the class they want to gear (rather than using one class to gear up another) but also allows the extra gearing like the OP wants. I personally am for the idea despite not being a raider (in this game), in other games alt raiding is a pretty popular thing but it's kind of irritating that the loot lockout prevents a similar thing in this game due to the whole one item per character thing as the Armory system makes having an alt pointless in my opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkmoonVael
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06-07-2016, 04:42 AMYukikoI wonder why we did not leave 1.x then if thats the condition to have content long live...Quote:
Originally Posted by Lambadelta
I like to believe content live long because its fun to play and not because you are chained to it and forced to play! -
06-07-2016, 04:55 AMDarkmoonVaelAt time of responding OP was suggesting one for each job. They then edited OP after my post and changed the information present in it. My response is to the original, unedited suggestion of one per job unrestricted. This would be too much.Quote:
Originally Posted by Khalithar
I am sorry but you really can not take this attitude with someone that responds to a topic post at the start of a thread that is then edited after people start responding to it, without the edits being acknowledged in the original post. This is also referring to pve not pvp. Pvp acknowledges 5 roles as you say, Pve its 4 roles for 4 man df content, and if we go by limit break set up in 8 man content, the devs acknowledge 3 classes (tank healers and dps) judging by the current limitations. Or you could go by unique left hand side armour, so: Tank, Healer, Caster, Aiming, Maiming, Striking and Scouting, which is 7. Confusion arises when things are not explained properly and maybe later edited into the OP.Quote:
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My stance still remains the same, the devs have a clear vision about how fast they want people to gear up, so right now it is not compatible with current raids. Maybe if we get raids that have more than 4 bosses and 4 sets of tokens we may see something like this, which is a good thing. -
06-07-2016, 04:59 AMMilesSaintboroguhI'm pretty sure 1.0 failed for more than just bad game design.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yukiko
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06-07-2016, 08:37 AMYukikoI am not talking about failure of 1.x, i was talking about those thousand players who were loyal playing and even PAYING through 1.xQuote:
Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh
We did not leave 1.x but i see us leaving since 2.x, worst was with 3.x.... -
06-07-2016, 12:27 PMAnimarelicThe only thing clipped was "Restrict the allowance to 2 or 3 roles per week" not make one for each Job when I CLEARLY said 5 roles in the original post. This meant 5 roles but only gives us manifestos for 2-3 which was added to restrict it from 5 not 13. You failed to read it correct the FIRST time and are going off an error you initially came into the post with due to your OWN Fault.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkmoonVael
What you stand by is what you stand by but you can't push an incorrect point due to your own human error of reading.
You didn't distinguish Roles from Jobs and came up with 13 manifestos. Even with the edit the point was already across. -
06-07-2016, 04:36 PMDarkmoonVael
Your title is "13 jobs and 1 weekly lockout fix suggestion", i mean how very very silly of me to get the number 13 from a pooly explained post that starts whith the moaning about 13 jobs in the game and you can not gear them all out. Want to re-read your own poorly explained, poor clarity post and see where people may get this idea from. EDIT and constantly doctored as well.
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This was your first response, which you have now edited and not explained that you have edited this one as well. It now containes more information that was in your first response. This really is getting beyond a joke. Stop editting in extra information that you failed to have in your original writing then claiming that its what you meant in the first place, soley to try and make yourself look good.
Your original post lacked clarity or depth of explaination in what your thoughts are on this subject. Subsequent responses reflect this.
Editing in extra infromation to other responses is beyond a joke. Its like you are scared that people will actually see what you originally wrote. Please stop it, its poor poor poor form. -
06-07-2016, 06:44 PMAnimarelicThes issue still stands you read the post wrong. I have no reason to doctor my post or go so far as to defend a lie. "Come on bruh...." This is a gaming forum I get no points by lying or trying to make you look bad doing otherwise.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkmoonVael
I admit the title may be misleading to some but YOU STILL READ THE POST WRONG and the ONLY thing you did was make it known that you and others like you failed to see that JOBS and ROLES were two different things.
I'm done replying to this particular subject with you because i'm dealing with someone who doesn't see their own mistake so if you feel that strongly have at it because right now we're heading into the "Special Olympics meme territory of arguing on the internet" Now if you actually have something constructive other than you "failing to read the english language correctly" maybe we can have dialogue. -
06-07-2016, 06:57 PMDarkmoonVaelThere has been constructive feedback in my posts which you have decided to ignore. The clarifications were not in the OP when i responded, and as you even admit yourself, you omitted the very important information that the idea of extre manifesto pages was to be restricted. There was no clarification in the OP that these were to be restricted using the PVP job system of categories, just a suggestion that these roles exist.Quote:
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TL;DR make sure relevant information is there in OP before submitting the thread. -
06-07-2016, 07:02 PMTheCurlsIf only this were true. I long for the old days, when people played games because they were fun instead of racing to the finish line and then discarding it for something else.Quote:
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