Completely disable dismiss in LFD raids unless 100% unanimous

Third time this week I've been doing it under various roles, everytime it gets early/late night the alliance chat is filled with swearing and garbage language for literally no reason, nothing is going wrong, and then someone starts spam dismissing tanks/healers to sabotage the group

I waited 30 minutes to get into void ark some time ago, finally got in, got to the last boss, and kicked, there was literally nothing going wrong

The LFD "community" is a complete cesspool, and honestly we should be allowed to ignore people cross realm who consistently go in, there should be some better system in place to deal with these people that dismiss just to sabotage groups, we should have some kind of function in place to report a false dismissal that will actively and severely punish those who started it after the group has been ruined because of this

I just wasted 30 minutes getting in and all of the time spent doing it just to get to the last boss and get kicked, super frustrated, this isn't fair and it happens A LOT, something NEEDS to be done about how awful the LFD is for void ark, its really really bad

But if 99 percent of the people want to leave and you want to stay, that's not fair to them either. When I do garbage void arks and crystal towers my patience runs out and I don't want to be there like the others want to leave. Don't punish us when you could just put together a group to go with you and reduce the amount of headache for yourself. Don't keep us in there with with toxic people if we feel it's time to go.

Cannot say I've ever once come across what you describe, kamikrazy.

Rather than making such a change sounds like you should report those players and the situation.

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I've never seen a vote dismiss or vote kick in Void Arc.

Is this something that happens in US datacenters only?

All I can say is this: "Welcome to MMORPGs". It happens sometimes and there's nothing you can do. Just shrug it off and move on.

You might have the same kind of experience the next time.

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Originally Posted by kamikrazy

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WoW needs to launch soon so the assholes can go. Sorry this happened to you.

OMG you got kicked once, they should absolutely change the vote kick system because of that!!!!!!!

/sarcasm

Alot of the times this crap happens, the majority of the party is from one FC/LS, and when you get to the last boss, or so far into a dungeon/raid a friend of theirs pops on and wants in, and someone gets booted to get them in. It's a sad thing, but something that has frequently happened.

Honestly that was just a joke. No need to take it seriously.

Plus theres thousands of movies with jokes like that one. Don't tell me you find pretty much every movie out there offensive.

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Originally Posted by Alexftw

Honestly that was just a joke. No need to take it seriously.

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Insulting Americans and then weaseling out of it with a "just joking" justification isn't really a joke or a funny one at that.

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Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh

Insulting Americans and then weaseling out of it with a "just joking" justification isn't really a joke or a funny one at that.

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You just asked if you detected a bit of self loathing but it seems you're the one who has a problem distinguishing serious context from a random comment. Are you saying all these old western movies with cowboys and so on are an insult to americans? Even many recent ones. Thats what it seems to me.

But yeah I will ask you sorry for offending you over something that I didn't even find offensive as I'm not taking it seriously, on the other hand It seems to me you tried to offend me in purpose which is why I said earlier you have problems.

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Originally Posted by Caitlinzulu

Agreed seems to be somethng that happens on american servers never ever have i seen a votekick on any duty including void ark and any of the crystal towers to get a new player in. The only vote kicks where due to afk people and the occasional troll.

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Just because you never personally seen it, doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

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Originally Posted by KarstenS

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I've never seen a vote dismiss or vote kick in Void Arc.

Is this something that happens in US datacenters only?

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Constantly. I've not played on the FFXIV EU Data Centre but have played other games where NA & EU have been separate & there's definitely a phenomenon where US players have zero tolerance, as well as thinking ruining games for others is "fun".

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Originally Posted by Culfinrandir

Constantly. I've not played on the FFXIV EU Data Centre but have played other games where NA & EU have been separate & there's definitely a phenomenon where US players have zero tolerance, as well as thinking ruining games for others is "fun".

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Not to say that there's not similar people in other countries, of course, but it is a big problem in the NA Data Centre here.

I've never run into that in Void Ark, or any of the CT runs. I've seen plenty of trolls that have been dismissed, or people who afk at the start hoping to go unnoticed, but thats about it.

THOSE GOT DANG AMERICANS

Blaming Americans (whether continental or just the States) and blaming WoW players seems to be the norm. Jest or not, it's a bit old.

Regardless of demographic, it's assholes being assholes, unfortunate, but nothing new.

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Originally Posted by Settiesama

Alot of the times this crap happens, the majority of the party is from one FC/LS, and when you get to the last boss, or so far into a dungeon/raid a friend of theirs pops on and wants in, and someone gets booted to get them in. It's a sad thing, but something that has frequently happened.

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They could fix that - count all votes in any dismiss vote thing, that come from people in the same FC or in a LS together - as just one vote that goes the way the majority of them voted.

This way, if people wanted to do pre-mades, they would fully construct them at the start, and not put them together as the run went on.

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Originally Posted by Makeda

They could fix that - could all votes in any dismiss vote thing, that come from people in the same FC or in a LS together - as just one vote that goes the way the majority of them voted.

This way, if people wanted to do pre-mades, they would fully construct them at the start, and not put them together as the run went on.

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So if an FC decides to queue 5/8 and gets matched with a couple of trolls, they should have to just live with it? What if you're 7/8 and you need to actually kick a member of that FC because they disconnect? What if they're 4/8 and 2 vote yes and 2 vote no? Sometimes I'd rather get rid of someone but a friend would rather try to work around them and vice versa; why should the fact that we're in an FC or a linkshell together completely invalidate either one of those?

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Originally Posted by Makeda

They could fix that - could all votes in any dismiss vote thing, that come from people in the same FC or in a LS together - as just one vote that goes the way the majority of them voted.

This way, if people wanted to do pre-mades, they would fully construct them at the start, and not put them together as the run went on.

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I agree with this, but instead of putting together everyone who happens to have FC/ls connections into one vote, just have the system keep track of who were in the same partial party at the time of queuing. That way, premades made up of players only on each other's flists don't get separate votes, and players from the same ls who just happened to end up in the same 24 man raid (this has happened to me before) don't end up pooled together as one vote when they weren't part of a premade party.

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Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh

Insulting Americans and then weaseling out of it with a "just joking" justification isn't really a joke or a funny one at that.

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As a non-white American, I get people saying 'just joking' after saying things designed to make me feel less human than them, all the time...

It's never a joke.

So its best to just not say it to begin with. And I try to make a point of not saying the same kinds of comments back.

I don't know if American servers have more or less of these various problems - because my experience is limited to the American servers. But unless you're the SE employee that analyzes all of this data... its probably nest to not go trumping it all and about...

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Originally Posted by Sakuraluna

I agree with this, but instead of putting together everyone who happens to have FC/ls connections into one vote, just have the system keep track of who were in the same partial party at the time of queuing. That way, premades made up of players only on each other's flists don't get separate votes, and players from the same ls who just happened to end up in the same 24 man raid (this has happened to me before) don't end up pooled together as one vote when they weren't part of a premade party.

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Yes, I think your suggestion improves mine. But it would also have to include anyone 'manually added' later (I forget if that is even possible... I'm in this thread on theory, having only recently returned to this game and my last experience with endgame DF was a LONG time ago).

On the topic US Servers vs EU servers
I have played on US servers in other games and then switched to EU servers or the servers got merged and there definitely is a difference between the two regions.

Players are more edgy, faster to judge and to feel offended with anything that is being said. In general, EU people (especially non-native English speakers) are more direct and don't hold their punches. This leads to the US players being offended as they are often not used to dealing with criticism that actually tells them that they are doing something wrong.

Also, US players tend to be more prude. One example, one game I played had US and EU servers merged at some point. One day, we wanted to run a raid with our regular pre-made group (all EU players) but we needed to pick up additional players due to some people not being online. So we recruited people, which happened to be US players. No problem there. Well, it was late at night and we soon started making raunchy jokes via in-game voice chat which lead the US players to feel offended and leave. Mind you, none of the jokes were directed at any people, it was simple stuff like "using sticks to beat the hole" kind of stuff completely referring to raid mechanism only.

I want to point out that these are not prejudiced but things I have witnessed as a EU citizen playing on EU AND US servers. I often pick US servers simply because I prefer English to my native language (German).

To the OP
All this being said, I believe that if you are being kicked frequently in the manner you describe, something is probably wrong that you don't notice. A run feeling smooth to you does not mean that things can't be wrong for others.

I have always thought it was absolutely absurd that vote abandon kicks everyone out of a duty, even the people that wanted to remain.

It isn't like the people who remain can't change their minds later -- since the group wouldn't be full anymore, they'd be able to leave later without penalty.


Also, I can't remember if they changed this or not, but IMO anyone that tries a vote abandon only for it to be denied should not be allowed to attempt vote abandon again for the rest of the instance. (If the group later decides they want to abandon after all, someone else would be able to initiate vote abandon instead.) I'm sure everyone remembers That One Guy in a CT raid where the group was new or otherwise unpolished, and maybe had a wipe or two on each boss... and after each and every wipe, That One Guy would try to vote abandon, sometimes repeatedly immediately after the previous one is rejected, because he can't stand any form of failure yet is too chicken shite to just leave the instance himself and eat a penalty. This isn't as much of an issue as it used to be, in my experience, but it's something that shouldn't be tolerated or allowed to begin with.

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Originally Posted by kamikrazy

and it happens A LOT,

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haven't seen this happen once unjustified only when people afk the whole run still talking in chat was when we dismissed him/her before Echidna

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Originally Posted by Makeda

As a non-white American, I get people saying 'just joking' after saying things designed to make me feel less human than them, all the time...

It's never a joke.

So its best to just not say it to begin with. And I try to make a point of not saying the same kinds of comments back.

I don't know if American servers have more or less of these various problems - because my experience is limited to the American servers. But unless you're the SE employee that analyzes all of this data... its probably nest to not go trumping it all and about...

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can you please stop waiving your "i'm a victim of racism" flag around every thread you are in, thanks.

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Originally Posted by NailBach

can you please stop waiving your "i'm a victim of racism" flag around every thread you are in, thanks.

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Huh? I haven't seen that person say things like this in many threads at all, first time they even mention it lol. Either way its off topic and the stuff the OP talks about well, happens everywhere, who cares if they are americans or not, and some people simply are way too butthurt when a guy say ''typical american''.

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Originally Posted by Seraphix2407

Huh? I haven't seen that person say things like this in many threads at all, first time they even mention it lol. Either way its off topic and the stuff the OP talks about well, happens everywhere, who cares if they are americans or not, and some people simply are way too butthurt when a guy say ''typical american''.

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You can click their name and view forum post history. And yes, almost of his comments, on a wide range of threads, are about racism.

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Originally Posted by randysquirrel

You can click their name and view forum post history. And yes, almost of his comments, on a wide range of threads, are about racism.

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I did and I didn't see much and what if he wanna bring it up? I don't see why its even better mention he talks about it. I would rather leave it alone and ignore those added stuff about ''racism''. The word is purely over used anwyays. Let's go back to the topic of the thread shall we?:)

Also need to disable "vote abandon". It sucks when people decided to quit and also force the others to quit with them.

Oh, so the trolls have started targeting Void Ark runs, and aren't content to sabotage CT anymore?

Lovely. :|

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Originally Posted by Jpec07

Oh, so the trolls have started targeting Void Ark runs, and aren't content to sabotage CT anymore?

Lovely. :|

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No, 24 man raids=troll training. It's easier because you're a drop in the ocean.

Someone tried to kick our tank in void ark today for saying "I am not a potatoe". The tank didn't get kicked in the end because we're not idiots, but it was still funny XD

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Originally Posted by Seraphix2407

Huh? I haven't seen that person say things like this in many threads at all, first time they even mention it lol. Either way its off topic and the stuff the OP talks about well, happens everywhere, who cares if they are americans or not, and some people simply are way too butthurt when a guy say ''typical american''.

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They went on a tirade in the "DF Horror Stories" thread about how the term weeb is racist against Japanese when it's a derogatory word against white people. The posts have been deleted.

On topic, I've never seen what the OP describes myself, but I can believe it happens. People are seriously childish. However, I don't really feel the vote kick system needs to change. If I'd change anything, I'd rather see more options to the vote kick reasons such as "difference in playstyles."

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Originally Posted by AnaviAnael

They went on a tirade in the "DF Horror Stories" thread about how the term weeb is racist against Japanese when it's a derogatory word against white people. The posts have been deleted.

On topic, I've never seen what the OP describes myself, but I can believe it happens. People are seriously childish. However, I don't really feel the vote kick system needs to change. If I'd change anything, I'd rather see more options to the vote kick reasons such as "difference in playstyles."

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Yes sadly I don't like those people who just kick for fun or simply doing it just so their friend can que up last boss or whatever to get the benefits. I like how the system is, so I agree with you :)

Slightly off topic, but what they REALLY need in these 24 man raids, is for the duty to start even if some people don't press 'Commence' in time (i.e. just like it does in Frontlines). The empty spots would probably fill up quickly, with people queuing in-progress.

I'm sure we've all had those cases where it takes half a dozen attempts just to get into the raid...

Not sure what "LFD" is but I had a similar experience in Void Ark. Smooth run, no one died, no wipes, just a typical quiet muddling through it run. Then we get to the last boss...

"You have been dismissed from the duty"

I didn't say anything, they didn't say anything. I didn't do anything, they didn't do anything. I was literally vote kicked for nothing. Someone above said "if everyone else wants you gone then it's not fair on them" well tell me how that was fair?

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Originally Posted by MrPresident

Not sure what "LFD" is but I had a similar experience in Void Ark. Smooth run, no one died, no wipes, just a typical quiet muddling through it run. Then we get to the last boss...

"You have been dismissed from the duty"

I didn't say anything, they didn't say anything. I didn't do anything, they didn't do anything. I was literally vote kicked for nothing. Someone above said "if everyone else wants you gone then it's not fair on them" well tell me how that was fair?

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It's not fair, which is why you can report them and they can enjoy their 3 day ban.