why there are so many BRD out there? what happened to other dps?

i done so many trials and let say 80% of my trials has either 2 or 3 BRDS. i know everyone been complaining about them but why there are still many of them? is BRD really popular among all the dps even if their dps isnt that good?

I think bard might be easiest dps job to perform at maximum efficiency, so bard players can still do consistently good dps by performing near the skill ceiling with relatively less effort than say a machinist or ninja. Maybe that's a reason. I haven't really noticed any dominant job on my data center, they all seem to be used a lot.

i barely see any BLM or MCH.. i thought about trying out BLM and MNK but seeing not many of them but BRD, its kinda make me concern if i should just roll on BRD seem its so popular.

Could just be confirmation bias. But, BRD is one of the more-fun classes to do trash packs with, since their AoE rotation is more interesting and dynamic to execute than most others, so you might see them more in dungeons or 24-mans for that reason.

Alternately, if someone is feeling lazy BRD lets them 'get away' with it more. You can keep your basic stuff going without using a lot of different buttons, so you get to feel like you're doing a passable job without putting in much effort. You'd actually be doing pretty badly, but it won't feel like it. A lot of BRD's damage losses happen silently and often simply aren't noticed by players who aren't very good.

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Originally Posted by Rufalus

I think bard might be easiest dps job to perform at maximum efficiency, so bard players can still do consistently good dps by performing near the skill ceiling with relatively less effort than say a machinist or ninja. Maybe that's a reason. I haven't really noticed any dominant job on my data center, they all seem to be used a lot.

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I don't know, I think the opposite. These days, if I see a fellow Bard, I expect their DPS to be extremely low. In the post-Minuet world, the amount of effort needed to perform well skyrockets.

Although since this is Trial Roulette we're talking about here, in which the majority of trials available caps players at Lv. 50 which happens to be before Minuet is a thing, then yeah, it becomes understandable why you see so many bards in there. Personally the amount of bards I've seen in Lv. 60 content has shrunk with each passing month.

You'll find many BRDs in trials, levelling, lvl 50 duty roulette, but not too many in lvl 60 and expert duty roulette.
I think MCH is the rarest job out there.

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Originally Posted by Yeol

You'll find many BRDs in trials, levelling, lvl 50 duty roulette, but not too many in lvl 60 and expert duty roulette.
I think MCH is the rarest job out there.

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ehh idk about that lol, i been going with duo BRD for 60 and expert a lot lately, same thing with Alexander random ques lol, i tend to see atleast 2 BRD that ques together, it HAPPENED that i get 3-4 BRD and let me tell you those run didnt end up too well LOL!

Interesting...I'm seeing a LOT of Machinists since 3.2, whether it's old BRDs switching for raiding or more people finally trying it out after all the buffs I'm not sure.

I see a whole bunch of MCHs too, and they tend to be good at their job. As a MCH player myself I just notice them a lot when we have multiple in a group. There aren't really any jobs on chaos (EU) datacenter that are rarely seen. I guess you can call that a success for game balance. I suppose bards would be on the more popular end, as I see multiple bards per party more often than other jobs get stacked. Not uncommon to see multiple DRGs either.

I main Bard and will always main brd.

Like the poster above, I am dedicated to my jobs. I have one class per character and that's not going to change. I couldn't care less how efficient other classes may be by comparison, I enjoy Bard as well as the aesthetic.

You should see the JP servers. Dragoons. Dragoons everywhere.

Between 1-50 BRD is extremely fun to play, but once pick up WM the style of play changes fairly drastically for most so you will often find more BRD's in groups between 1-50 range rather than later on when WM becomes a thing. It isn't the same play style they have been using up to that point and it's quite a big change to dump on someone so late in the class which puts some people off continuing at that stage. It would of been probably better if WM play style came into play around level 30 so at least people have more time to get used to it and not have become so entrenched in a non-WM style of play by the time it comes around.

Personally I used to play BRD as a main but the change made it less fun for me, less to do with DMG output and more to do with enjoyment of so much mobility and freedom. If I am going to have to spend time rooted to the ground so often using cast bars on my skills rather than just GCD's then I might as well switch to MCH in my opinion with it's GB skill because at least will push out potentially more DPS overall especially on single target fights given BRD's reliance on DoTs later on for a lot of their DMG output when so many boss fights lack multiple targets being present for very long. If I am going to have to put up with rooting and cast timers etc, losing a lot of the mobility I loved so much in the first place then I figure might as well switch to the one which has more DPS potential on single targets and burst DMG.

I will still occasionally switch to BRD when need break from MCH but in general the changes to BRD play style has made me decide to try MCH instead as a future main. Both have rooting skills like BRD's WM or MCH's GB, both are ranged physical DPS, both have support like BRD with songs and MCH with turrets, I would say BRD is better for multi-target fights while MCH is better for single target fights, MCH has the higher burst DMG output compared to BRD. MCH relies on combo procs (tied a lot of the time to RNG) in order to keep the rotation going properly and produce decent DMG output while BRD relies on multi-DoTs a lot for it's DMG output. MCH is the more complex and harder class to play but both can do quite well in general depending on type of fight and group composition. I may change my mind and switch back to BRD main though further down the line if really get sick and tired of MCH's frustrating combo proc rotations aka if I find it too annoying and unstable (RNG) to be fun anymore.

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I think bard might be easiest dps job to perform at maximum efficiency, so bard players can still do consistently good dps by performing near the skill ceiling with relatively less effort.

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Dragoon is still by far the easiest class to perform maximum effeciency and the most overpowered.A lot of players are switching to Bard for 2 simple reasons.Bards in general can still generally get away with doing abysmal dps because a lot of people still have the mentality that bard does really low damage.Essentially you can be lazy with the class but as long as you play your songs and Keep foe up.99% of the time nobody will call you out on your dps.
The other reason is that it's the easiest of the ranged classes to deal with dungeon trash and boss mechanics.lvl 60 content is full of trash that relentlessy spams aoes and huge cones making melee classes harder to play .A lot of people are ditching playing melee classes because of the frustration it causes.

They use a bow that's why. Bow using classes are usually incredibly popular if not the most popular in most mmorpgs.

went to VA with 6 BRDS.. and holy crap it was the slowest run of my life LOL!! people who plays BRD is way too casual with their class, just because its an 'easy" class to play doesnt mean u have to be so "easy" with it..

We found out it's the highest dps. Sorry to spring this on you

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I think bard might be easiest dps job to perform at maximum efficiency

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I must disagree. i have all dps on 60 and not only to show off, so i am trying to do at least 1300 on my shitty 205 ilvl which i have on most of them.
That said, bard is rather hard to play (for me, however that may be fact, that i don't like BRD at all, i prefered ARC.)

To specify easiest class to play, i would rather say train for 20 minutes rotation of every class, that you have previousely searched, and make it be easy.
I mean, DRG and MNK are so much easier for me.

Rather than say "Hard" or "Easy" we should say "Unforgiving" or "Forgiving".
BRD is indeed forgiving class alongside with MCH, that's why, compared to do not so complicated rotation (i am prolly just a scrub as BRD) makes BRD a good back-line chilling dude to spam Expert Roulette for Lore.

And that's why you find so many BRDs lately. BLM is really not too mobile and unforgiving, SMN has that pesky pets, and MCH is indeed harsh class, thou not so unforgiving.

Because BRD master job of course.

Is Bard easy to play? Sure, I guess. But Bard is by far NOT easy to play well.

#Bard4Life

Come to Malboro, we're like shiny pokemon here

Because it's the best job :^)

Bruh, tell me about it, in we have an overwhelming amount of bards in our FC, like literally apart from the one summoner we have, all the other dps we have is bards.

all i see are summoners x.x i mained smn but after 3.0 everyone became a smn, so i quited (most couldnt even Play the class)

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Is Bard easy to play? Sure, I guess. But Bard is by far NOT easy to play well.

#Bard4Life

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None of the other DPS are easy to play well.

Because I want to sing and support my group. I play Bard expressly for the songs.

Realy??? I NEVER saw any bards on my DF (at tonberry) even in a 24 people content!!! and I really start to wonder where were they. I do have a few run with MCH but NEVER a bard

Speaking of Bards...is there a Bard guide mega-thread around here?

Not really on here but this is the main resource for the most part:

http://krietor.guildwork.com/forum/t...ard-bard-guide

Im not sure why, I play with 2 alts. One drg the other sch. Oddly queue times have been oddly faster on my drg than my healer. There does seem to be less melee so queues are faster. I just finished lore on my healer, so maybe most melee are taking a break till next seals. Range queues tend to be longer for me at least on my data center. Who knows in the end...

In a raid environment I read that a bard is more beneficial to a group with more magic dps than physical is there a actual number to this? Trying to decide if it will be worth it to level up my bard since it will share gear with my mch. Also how different are the weight stats between the two?

If you have a double-caster comp, Bard's added raid DPS becomes a measure (say, ~50 dps) higher than Machinist's. However, MCH's personal DPS is currently about 150-250 ahead of BRD thanks to the design of Midas Savage basically screwing Bards over at every turn. So you're still better off as MCH for now, at least until we see what the Bard buffs in 3.3 look like.

The stat weights are very different. Bard wants to maximize Crit and basically couldn't care less whether the other points are in SkS or Det, though being ~600-650 SkS or better has some niceties. Machinist, as I understand it, possibly really likes Det moreso than other jobs, thanks to turret damage calculation stuffs.

I became BRD in late September of 2013. My exclusiveness wore off when I began to find myself fighting for a spot in a static group (even though I was an early Artemis Bow +1 user). Going further into the months, there were more and more BRDs that I felt I had no place. I became NIN when ROG released, and haven't been dedicated to BRD since (although I'd jump on it if I'm asked to).

some brds are MCH now, except me, i am brd in heart ahaha

lately in my raid group, all i seen are 2-3 BRDS.. they dont even benefit each others because NONE of them sing. the numbers of BRD players is increasing more and more if u ask me lol.

I think BRD is the simplest dps to play at this point maybe thats why people are flocking to it. Its just less frustrating and more fun than having to deal other dps classes with harder/less forgiving rotations.

Think it comes down to server, on Zalera, Monk,Ninja, and blm are the main dps roles. Bards are actually being scouted for raid parties cause we have so few of them worth a hoot.

I am playing an archer working towards bard, though I do intend to get the other dps jobs. I think part of the problem is that anyone like me looking to decide on what job to go for will look for videos to see how they play. I saw a monk video that explained a dps rotation and it had like 30 skills in it. Monk is now last on my list of jobs to work for.