Add a Lore and Gil cost to voting to dismiss a player please.

It seems like it happens way too often, Player A dislikes Player B so player A votes to kick player B Player A is in a party so they follow through with it. It happens way too often in game and I believe there should be some type of lore cost for players lvl 60 and over and a 5k Gil cost for players 30 and under. Players should have the option to pool together lore price if they all vote to kick the player. I believe this will stop players from wrongfully kicking a player and wasting their time.

Yes, let's punish players for trying to kick any trolls that are ruining the experience for everyone -_-

All this would do is make it even easier for people to troll

Actually, my experience is that players get kicked for doing something wrong. I can't remember the last time I saw someone get randomly kicked for no good reason. I'd have to pay anything to kick someone that actually deserves to be kicked, such as someone being abusive to other players. The only way I can see this being improved is if someone thought they got kicked unfairly, they can have an option to call a GM and look into their dismissal.

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Originally Posted by Ashelia_Ferron

Yes, let's punish players for trying to kick any trolls that are ruining the experience for everyone -_-

All this would do is make it even easier for people to troll

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Well if players are a troll then there should be no issue with kicking them and paying the cost for it right?

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Originally Posted by ShadowsFlite

Well if players are a troll then there should be no issue with kicking them and paying the cost for it right?

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Yes, there is a problem, because this kind of system punishes players who play properly and lets trolls get their way by making others pay to get rid of them.

So then be able to prove the troll is being a troll and no penalty If there is a player wrongfully kicked then penalty

Even as a tank though players in a party will vote to kick you if they dont like the way you are tanking a dungeon.

Absolutely not. Nobody should be penalized for booting someone who's wasting people's time. And thanks, this reminded me about a different thread that should be made.

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Originally Posted by ShadowsFlite

Even as a tank though players in a party will vote to kick you if they dont like the way you are tanking a dungeon.

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Thing is though if you boot someone at the end of a dungeon instead of early on you waste the booted players time as well

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Originally Posted by ShadowsFlite

Thing is though if you boot someone at the end of a dungeon instead of early on you waste the booted players time as well

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And in cases where the player deserves it it's a good idea to do exactly that so they feel the sting a lot more and reconsider how they're acting.

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Originally Posted by Alistaire

And in cases where the player deserves it it's a good idea to do exactly that so they feel the sting a lot more and reconsider how they're acting.

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not at all, thats just a douch thing if you know they cause problems Then do it early on so they can que again. Kicking at the end of a dungeon is childish and wastes that players time.

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Originally Posted by ShadowsFlite

not at all, thats just a douch thing if you know they cause problems Then do it early on so they can que again. Kicking at the end of a dungeon is childish and wastes that players time.

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That's a huge assumption there. You sure you want to white-knight everyone that's ever been rightfully dismissed from df?

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Originally Posted by Alistaire

That's a huge assumption there. You sure you want to white-knight everyone that's ever been rightfully dismissed from df?

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Again if you feel like you're right, then be able to prove why you're right and no penalty get back lore or Gil.

If you get kicked for no reason there is always the option to write a GM. Write what happened directly after, that it taints your game experience and a GM will look into it. No need for a penalty besides the 4 hour cooldown and (if it truy was abuse) the filed report.

Okay, but they have to get rid of the 4 hour cooldown. If i have to pay for this, i want to do it as often i wish.

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Originally Posted by ShadowsFlite

Again if you feel like you're right, then be able to prove why you're right and no penalty get back lore or Gil.

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And i will call a GM every time.
And if i'm right the kicked have to pay the costs to be fair.

tbh this is not practicable. I am still upset cause they set the damn cooldown. People are just to less responsible with this incomplete and limited tool.

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Originally Posted by Eydir

If you get kicked for no reason there is always the option to write a GM. Write what happened directly after, that it taints your game experience and a GM will look into it. No need for a penalty besides the 4 hour cooldown and (if it truy was abuse) the filed report.

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Still having the penalty would stop useless kicks. People do it because they can get away with it. A penatly would stop people getting away with it. You shouldn't need to get gms involved in this type of thing.

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Originally Posted by ShadowsFlite

Still having the penalty would stop useless kicks. People do it because they can get away with it. A penatly would stop people getting away with it. You shouldn't need to get gms involved in this type of thing.

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But you are involving GMs aswell. Or how should i prove i'm right and get back my payment?

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Still having the penalty would stop useless kicks. People do it because they can get away with it. A penatly would stop people getting away with it. You shouldn't need to get gms involved in this type of thing.

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Simple really vote to kick>pay rquired gil or lore> reason pops up>fill out if the reason is legit and its true you get payment back within a few hours. If not then dont weongfully kick someone lol

Actually they should, kicks without reasons count as harassement and that is part of their job. Also whilest I earn a good amount of gil I know quite a lot players to which 300k is already a fortune so adding a penalty to tomestone (honestly how did you get this idea? If someone got kicked for trolling/insults/whatevs im getting punished? How am I supposed to get my full lore if it was rightfully, ask a GM? Now /that/ would be extra work) or gil (5k and more really is a lot for some) would just really cause extra work because you would have to run each time to a GM and debate with them to get your gil back.
I also highly doubt it would stop those trollkicks. If you are bothered or feel like you don't deserve the kick, write a report and maybe check if that player was from our server and ask in a polite tone what that kick was for if it bugs you that much.
Because I agree it is an unpleasant experience.

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Originally Posted by ShadowsFlite

Simple really vote to kick>pay rquired gil or lore> reason pops up>fill out if the reason is legit and its true you get payment back within a few hours. If not then dont weongfully kick someone lol

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You can't set an AI to decide if the reason is legit or not, that's what GMs are for.

The only "good" way would be, that every kick is viewed by GM automaticaly, like in novice network. so you can also get rid of the 4 hour cooldown.
like:
Vote to kick > reason pops up > free text pops up > player gets kicked > a report will be send to a GM automaticaly
So no one will be kicked without a legit reason cause it will investigated by a GM.

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And then the gm would have to investigate chat logs in order to see if the reason was right and if it was they give back the lore or gil, thing is in level 30-lower dungeons how often do you run in to a troll? If someone in a lower level dungeon seems like they're trolling they more then likely are not and just dont know the dungeon. Player gets kicked that ruins their expirence of the game. Now in level 60 dungeons you have the "raid"players that expect you to move at their speed and if you don't you get kicked. That is why they need a penalty to vote to dismiss. People dont understand not everyone raids and not everyone will move at the required speeds. Theres an easy way to make it work just add a time limit before it charges. For example after 20 mins itll charge gil

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Originally Posted by Legion88

Okay, but they have to get rid of the 4 hour cooldown. If i have to pay for this, i want to do it as often i wish.


And i will call a GM every time.
And if i'm right the kicked have to pay the costs to be fair.

tbh this is not practicable. I am still upset cause they set the damn cooldown. People are just to less responsible with this incomplete and limited tool.

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That's the thread this reminded me to make; a request to lower the cooldown. I put it in the dungeons section.

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Originally Posted by ShadowsFlite

And then the gm would have to investigate chat logs in order to see if the reason was right and if it was they give back the lore or gil, thing is in level 30-lower dungeons how often do you run in to a troll? If someone in a lower level dungeon seems like they're trolling they more then likely are not and just dont know the dungeon. Player gets kicked that ruins their expirence of the game. Now in level 60 dungeons you have the "raid"players that expect you to move at their speed and if you don't you get kicked. That is why they need a penalty to vote to dismiss. People dont understand not everyone raids and not everyone will move at the required speeds. Theres an easy way to make it work just add a time limit before it charges. For example after 20 mins itll charge gil

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Thanks to our roulettes you can find every kind of player in every duty, no valid reason to exclude duties below level 30 and to be fair i didn't run into much trolls in my play time and i only kicked a few bunch of players, most for afking or dcing and don't coming back and i would say that ruined my experience. And for your information different playstyle is a valid kick reason aproved by GMs.

I'm not a fan of kicking themself, but i'm a fan of getting rid of people who deserve it at any time i wish to.

And you're not thinking far enough. My suggestion involves a report, so the investigation not only clears if the reason was valid, it also will penalize repeat offenders and the notorious "YES"-clickers, mostly for griefing.
Your suggestion only makes people more thinking about "is it realy worth it or can we just carry on without caring?" like the 4 hour cooldown.

People should use this tool without limitations but with more responsibility. If you do bullshit you get judged for it.

you understimate the gils of some players

This is a bad idea.

You have to take into account that trolls should not be allowed to force others to pay simply to do away with them. Also, GM's most defiantly do not have the time to shift through chat logs and reimburse players who have had to kick of their money. If you have been wrongfully banned I suggest you simply submit a ticket, and be on with your life.

Again if the person is indeed a troll then there would be no problem paying a gil fee to kick them lol

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Again if the person is indeed a troll then there would be no problem paying a gil fee to kick them lol

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Speaking of trolls, it feels like the OP keeps pushing this just to keep people worked up. Of course there is still a problem paying to vote kick people that are trolls because the trolls win that way. If people have to pay capped tomestones to kick them, there are people that will queue again and again and again just to be a jerk and make others spend their tomestones kicking them. Same for gil.

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Originally Posted by Gokuhan

Speaking of trolls, it feels like the OP keeps pushing this just to keep people worked up. Of course there is still a problem paying to vote kick people that are trolls because the trolls win that way. If people have to pay capped tomestones to kick them, there are people that will queue again and again and again just to be a jerk and make others spend their tomestones kicking them. Same for gil.

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Lol what kind of logic is that? Op posted something i dont agrer with hes a troll!

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Originally Posted by ShadowsFlite

Lol what kind of logic is that? Op posted something i dont agrer with hes a troll!

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How about this, your idea is the worst thing I've ever heard. There should not be a penalty to kick anyone. If its being abused, you have every right as the person who was kicked to put in a ticket and get the situation looked at, and if its found that you were kicked unfairly, the person/people in question can and will recieve punishment. If thats not good enough for YOU, then I don't know what to tell you. If you're trying to fix the problem of being unfairly removed, there really isn't a way to fix it. It can, and most likely will happen, but like I said, if its being abused, and it is, people can face ban time.

Quick Short story: Friend of mine Is in a roulette, Dungeoun is going super slow for him, decides to try vote abandon because he wants to leave without penalty and get out, vote does not pass. So he decided to use the kick feature instead, and everyone clicks the okay button like a buncha parrots, and a person is kicked, and he leaves without penalty. Next day, he can't log in and has an E-mail from SE slapping him with a 72 hours / 3 day ban. In short, I think the system works just fine. Don't fix what ain't broke.

If it works fine why get so worked up about it? Just because they get banned for a few days it doesn't mean they wont do it again. Slapping a charge on it would help push them not doing it again. Who wants to pay gil then get banned from the game? Actions have concenquences and paying gil should be a concenquence as well, this is a game where we work together as a community to help other players that are going slow not just kicking them. That ruins the expirence for both your friend and them. Why go through that when you can avoid it

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Originally Posted by ShadowsFlite

If it works fine why get so worked up about it?

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Who's worked up over it? I was making a statement that your idea is just downright silly, like many people in this thread have already said. You act like gil is enough of an incentive to make people stop being assholes, Its a drop in the bucket for majority of people, myself included, you take some of my lore away, I run another dungeoun. 3 day ban is plenty, and if it happens again it gets extended. SE takes this stuff seriously, you don't need to add onto it.

OP if you're so upset you get kicked all the time, maybe get better at the game.

this is the most retarded thing ive read, like why the hell would you make someone pay to kick that will just make more trolls come in and get kicked to make people waste their lore/gil, its completely stupid and dont say "oh but that wont happen because i wouldnt do such a thing" in reality there are a lot of different type of players who arent like you and will do this sort of stuff. Personally ive had to kick a few people from dungeons for example after explaining a fight to someone and then wiping with them saying that they were new to the fight (which by the way was bs) even after the explanation and trying again it ended up with a wipe because they refused to do mechanics, should i really pay to kick them. As someone said before why should we pay to kick someone whos being carried through the whole dungeon doing nothing.

tl;dr your idea is bad, more trolls will come, paying is completely stupid for normal reasons like someone expecting a carry or afking the entire time.

This just gives trolls further incentive to troll. Either the legit players have to go through the trouble of recovering their lost gil/ tomes from kicking or they lose them. It just adds another layer to the trolling.

I won't pretend it never happens, but I've never witnessed someone being kicked for no reason. Lots of AFKs, constant DCing, or just bad playing, sure, but never just for no reason.

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Originally Posted by Saint_Angeles

OP if you're so upset you get kicked all the time, maybe get better at the game.

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This is exactly what im talking about lol there's no need to go 220% all the time expecially in smaller dungeons. And who said anything about anyone being bad in the game? Learn to respect others play styles instead of assuming things.

I suppose only if the player whom was dismissed reports the issue and is able to prove they were wrongly dismissed. Otherwise I don't see this as much as an issue. Like people said on here, I've only seen people kicked if they were causing problems or DC'd for too long.

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Originally Posted by ShadowsFlite

Lol what kind of logic is that? Op posted something i dont agrer with hes a troll!

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I guess you wouldn't get how ridiculous your suggestion is. For the rest of us, we just hope you are actually trolling.

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Originally Posted by Alistaire

I guess you wouldn't get how ridiculous your suggestion is. For the rest of us, we just hope you are actually trolling.

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Not at all it wouldnt be too hard to add a lore,eso,gil cost to it, it can e like 5k gil or 10 eso or 5 lore thats like what one dungeon to earn back?

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There's no need to go 220% all the time expecially in smaller dungeons..

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So you're saying you don't play to the best of your abilitys in dungeouns? No wonder you were kicked, you were wasting 3 other peoples time.

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Originally Posted by Nyghtmarerobu

So you're saying you don't play to the best of your abilitys in dungeouns? No wonder you were kicked, you were wasting 3 other peoples time.

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Not sure how you got that from this lol how is not playing at raid speeds "not to the best of my abilities"