GCD timer is to high for melee and ranged physical dps.

I always wondered why i gravitated towards casters in this game. Then it hit me, the GCD timer makes everything without a cast time ridiculously slow and boring.Casting in the game feels fluid and natural, while melee classes have this weird awkward pause while attacking. I can feel it when I am playing Ninja or a tank. Many people that I've talked to that tried the game said their biggest gripe early on is the GCD timer. And I have to agree, physical dps like Ninja, which is supposed to be fast paced, is rather slow. Everything may as well have a cast time, because its essentially the same thing as a GCD timer. A black mage begins to cast fireI, GCD also starts at the same time,cast ends GCD also ends. Bard uses straight shot, its instantaneous(yes I know about wanderer's minuet) but the GCD prevents anymore action from being taken. The Bard is now at the same pace as the Black Mage due to this mechanic even though they do not have a cast time. The only difference are auto attacks, but auto attacks are kinda, meh and not very interactive.

Is it game shattering to reduce the GCD by 1-.5 seconds? The game could even be balanced around it. Its just so slow for the sake of being a final fantasy game.

There are many players who like it the way it is.

Asking for a new job with shorter GCDs would be more realistic.

This is an observation at max level with stats on par to clear seph ex? Cause otherwise you are comparing apples to oranges cause like any game, you aren't starting the game maxed out, you grow your character to that point.

If SE lowered the GCD that much they would have to lower tp cost of everyone's skills otherwise people in the game would run out of tp witching a minute or less.

A MNK at that GCD reduction would have near instant recovery from GCD at that point...

I like it the way it is personally. Weaving in CD's correctly balances it out.

many jobs rely on the GCD timer to weave OGCD skills into their rotation, its one of the reasons that I hate that they made BRD a caster, because it breaks the flow of this weaving. Something tells me that if this is your view of melee jobs, then you aren't playing those jobs correctly.

GCD is fine. Does every single game need to be SUPER FAST?! Stack your skill speed and you will see a difference

Most the time on monk my GCD is under 2 seconds, which meets the 0.5 second reduction mentioned, and I'm either moving or activating an oGCD ability almost constantly. So that feels pretty fast.

In the Alpha version of this game, the GCD timers were way too short, making it seem like a button mashing fest with abilities and was also unbalanced.
It was one of the biggest complaints during testing.
It would be game shattering since this would remove certain materia from the game and skill speed is no longer an attribute.
Not many casual players can press 30 buttons in .5 seconds for consistently high dps on a controller, so you will need a keyboard...but then you would need macros...

I mean ... I don't know about your experience with this kind of thing but, have you ever tried performing skills like this IRL?
You can't fire off things in such a way. And a -lot- of the skills have animations that last for the majority of their respective cooldown times, and look really weird when you use oGCD skills between them. (Yay going from a handstand to shoulder bash instantaneously!)

Which brings me to another point: The "fluidity" and "pace" of melee classes comes from the ability to easily inter-weave their Abilities between their Weaponskills, without causing any GCD-clipping (unless you're a ninja and have laggy 'net). Ever notice how your next Fire gets a small delay when you use Raging Strikes? None of that horrible standing around silliness with using Blood for Blood and Chaos Thrust, or Duality and Aeolian Edge, or Berserk and .........

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Originally Posted by Archaell

There are many players who like it the way it is.

Asking for a new job with shorter GCDs would be more realistic.

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Like a job that has lightning fast attacks that has a lower base GCD? Something like....a Ninja? ohwait.

GCD isnt that bad, hell i remember back in 2.0 when i didnt have this horrid casting times , and always had something to shoot , sometimes i waited some sec before being able to shoot but thats ok , i prefer that over "energy pools" that go to 0 after 3 skills and u have to wait ....or energy that regens after attacking , u know other games have 1s gcd or no gcd at all but limit the player using some resource...

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Originally Posted by Elky

Like a job that has lightning fast attacks that has a lower base GCD? Something like....a Ninja? ohwait.

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Get yourself a decently geared Ninja at lv60 and say again that the class feels sluggish.
*uses raiton* > *loses 1s on next GCD*

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Originally Posted by Warlyx

at least melee dont have casting times :_(

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Yeah, Bards got the shaft this expansion. Take out your bows and put on your wizard caps.

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many jobs rely on the GCD timer to weave OGCD skills into their rotation, its one of the reasons that I hate that they made BRD a caster, because it breaks the flow of this weaving. Something tells me that if this is your view of melee jobs, then you aren't playing those jobs correctly.

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Hmm, I play BRD and love the cast bar. I found it flowed a lot better than before. Just my opinion though.

NIN = Fast, small hits (shorter GCD)
MNK = Fast, small hits (shorter GCD)
DRG = slow, big hits (normal GCD)
WAR = slow, big hits (normal GCD)
DRK = slow/normal, big hits (normal GCD, has lots of oGCDs to make it more active as well as a +attack speed CD in Blood Weapon)

PLD's a bit weird, but makes sense. Shield Oath = focuses more on blocking, therefore less hits with the sword though still autos more often than a WAR for example. Sword Oath = focuses more on attacking, more frequent hits with the sword. So you could say PLD is less GCD focused and more auto attack focused.

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Like a job that has lightning fast attacks that has a lower base GCD? Something like....a Ninja? ohwait.

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You obviously don't have a geared 60 ninja, at I220 with Huton up the GCD is well under 2 seconds

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You obviously don't have a geared 60 ninja, at I220 with Huton up the GCD is well under 2 seconds

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I can imagine I have 2second gcd under ley lines as a blackmage. But I wouldn't count 2seconds fast if I wasn't a caster.

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I can imagine I have 2second gcd under ley lines as a blackmage. But I wouldn't count 2seconds fast if I wasn't a caster.

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Level 60 melee classes are constantly using off GCD abilities though, whereas that's not really something you do as often as a caster. The reason Mudra lag was sucha big issue was because it was so hard to not clip your GCD with it. It gets pretty hectic sometimes as a melee, honestly I'd say bards have it the worst because the cast bars from WM don't line up with the GCD so you still have off GCDs to use but you have way less time to use them.

I like the long GCD myself. My reflexes aren't great so I tend to prefer slower paced games such as turn based over action.

Try to do the melee rotation (special DRG) with a GCD of 1-1.5 secs, then try to do that in middle of mechacnis. Then try do it on mechacnis like savage. Now Add lag to the ecuation. You will break your fingers.

Trust me, it is good as it is.

Erm... Certain jobs can reach it already and in other games etc like wow there is a 1sec GCD on all skills anyway

Mnk video
https://youtu.be/ODWJkVXfUrQ

There is also a blm and whm i seen do it aswell but i cannot find the videos

I find it rather fast at 50+ actually, considering I can't just mash the same 2-3 buttons like I did in WoW to get good DPS. Preliminary mousetracking results show that I don't stay in any one place for extended periods of time, though the rotational area has a much higher density than the rest of the hotbars.

I dunno, I'd rather keep it as it is.

Longer GCD allows for more off GCD abilities and more complex rotation and fight mechanics. Maintaining some of the level 60 rotations, particularly in fights where your moving a lot, can be quite challenging. Infact one of the reasons WoW gutted the rotations of so many of it's classes in their last expansion was at least in part due to the devs wanting simpler rotations so they could have more mechanically complex fights.