Please change Sacred Prism

It lasts 30s when traited and makes people nigh invincible within it. Not only this its ONLY ON WHM. This makes WHM grossly stronger than the other healers in the current state of pvp with the level of burst damage around. I'm not saying remove it but this skill needs to be looked at very closely

It was only a matter of time before this thread came up lol. Surprised it took this long honestly.

:| Instead they'll just nerf Astro some more XD

Sacred prism is arguably the strongest healing pvp skill in the game (on the most loaded healer in terms of tools in the game to boot lol) and a ranged dps's best friend, especially blm. But since they can only use it twice a match it hasnt been impossible to work around. I wouldnt be surprised however if they did nerf its duration at some point though. What annoys me most is how much blm can abuse this ability when its up lol. You basically have to start trying to LoS them when they stand on that green crap cause you arent gonna meet the dps spellcasting threshhold to stop them from turreting while they stand on that.

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Originally Posted by Dimitrii

Sacred prism is arguably the strongest healing pvp skill in the game (on the most loaded healer in terms of tools in the game to boot lol) and a ranged dps's best friend, especially blm. But since they can only use it twice a match it hasnt been impossible to work around. I wouldnt be surprised however if they did nerf its duration at some point though. What annoys me most is how much blm can abuse this ability when its up lol. You basically have to start trying to LoS them when they stand on that green crap cause you arent gonna meet the dps spellcasting threshhold to stop them from turreting while they stand on that.

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It's just so insanely powerful and it lasts an eternity to boot which just makes it godlike in the right hands. A true Aether nightmare

I'm going to note here, for the record, that a combination of knockbacks, and good focusing can kill someone even with SP on the field. Using your KBs and a stun properly will fling them out of the field, and give you time to dispatch them. Is it easy? Not really. But if you absolutely must put pressure on them while SP is up, that's really the best way to do it. Otherwise, bring the fight away from the field. There's plenty of arena to fight in where the SP field is out of range.

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Originally Posted by Isala

I'm going to note here, for the record, that a combination of knockbacks, and good focusing can kill someone even with SP on the field. Using your KBs and a stun properly will fling them out of the field, and give you time to dispatch them. Is it easy? Not really. But if you absolutely must put pressure on them while SP is up, that's really the best way to do it. Otherwise, bring the fight away from the field. There's plenty of arena to fight in where the SP field is out of range.

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I guess then we're going into the discussion of balancing based on solo queue or premades. Since they seem to be balancing based on solo queue that kind of coordination is unheard of. :/. Regardless of how to counter it, the fact that the other two healers don't have it is a huge oversight

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I guess then we're going into the discussion of balancing based on solo queue or premades. Since they seem to be balancing based on solo queue that kind of coordination is unheard of. :/. Regardless of how to counter it, the fact that the other two healers don't have it is a huge oversight

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Honestly, I'm going into this with the knowledge that I can actually do all of that, by myself on a BRD. So long as I get my buffs/DoTs up, and time my Blast Shot and Shadowbind properly... I can dispatch a WHM by flinging them out of their field, and finishing the job.

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Honestly, I'm going into this with the knowledge that I can actually do all of that, by myself on a BRD. So long as I get my buffs/DoTs up, and time my Blast Shot and Shadowbind properly... I can dispatch a WHM by flinging them out of their field, and finishing the job.

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As a bard that's played a day 3 gold WHM no that isn't realistic. Sorry

Realistic? Maybe not. Possible? Definitely. Just because you can't personally do it, doesn't mean it can't be done.

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Realistic? Maybe not. Possible? Definitely. Just because you can't personally do it, doesn't mean it can't be done.

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You're basically implying you can blast shot a WHM out of sacred prism bind them and solo kill them all in that time before they run back to the prism yes?

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Originally Posted by Exira

You're basically implying you can blast shot a WHM out of sacred prism bind them and solo kill them all in that time before they run back to the prism yes?

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Not implying. Telling you that I have done it. Literally, earlier today. If you BRD, you know full well the power full buffed Barrage>EA>Sidewinder>Farshot has. It takes a healer a split second to register the knockback/bind. In that time you're already casting the EA combo. They have to either Esuna, or purify said bind, or try to start spamming heals on themselves. If they purify, no it's not a kill. But if they try another option, the force of that will interrupt their healing, and finish them off. You know this. Any WHM without a shield dies pretty much instantly to our combo. It's a rather obscene amount of damage on an unprotected healer.

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Not implying. Telling you that I have done it. Literally, earlier today. If you BRD, you know full well the power full buffed Barrage>EA>Sidewinder>Farshot has. It takes a healer a split second to register the knockback/bind. In that time you\\'re already casting the EA combo. They have to eit...

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This is just incredibly unrealistic at high levels of play. Your combo won\\'t kill a healer like that in that short amount of time. I\\'m not saying you haven\\'t done it im saying you havent done it against a good healer. Not to mention you\\'re basically saying you got the healer to pop attunement AND sacred prior to you using your bard burst which is absurd

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basically saying you got the healer to pop attunement AND sacred prior to you using your bard burst which is absurd

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Who pops Attunement at 90%+ HP? Because that's where they're at, having stood in their circle and topped themselves off. If you had the level of firepower needed to drop them low enough to make them consider Attunement as an option, we wouldn't be going for the insta-gib anyway. I've agreed with you that it's mostly unrealistic. I was just pointing out that it is possible.

Considering WHM pretty much has to stay stationary to heal, it's not OP at all lmao. Just wait for it to end, push them out of it or bait them.

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Realistic? Maybe not. Possible? Definitely. Just because you can't personally do it, doesn't mean it can't be done.

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Between the latency of knockbacks and the like, you're just as much of a mercy of the WHM player getting back in their circle, assuming you can safely knock them out in the first place and chunk their hp before they run back in.

That aside though, you always just not fight in their sacred prism. I can't stress it enough to my groups to not fight them when their circle is down.

My counter to it in solo q is macro spam literally saying to back off of prism is up. Lets us get a breather usually and I can get a little free mana regen. And more often than not it will bait out melee dps into a not as good position.

I've seen many people play around prism simply with knock backs. I'll name one guy that out played me on it, Zok Kairgon. I saw him setting up for a triple empy arrow + sidewinder. Placed my prism down and he blast shot me and forced me to bene when I tried to save it by using prism.

I've also been bursted down while inside it due to the games sheer amount of burst if people actually focus a target... it happens rarely in solo que 8^)

In the end of the day tho, as far as all healers...I don't really see the ability making white mage that much better than other healers. Loving scholar now that I know my aetherflows are safe :X

I think the only one who gets gimped in the class-specific PvP skills for healers is SCH. As people stated with Sacred Prism, you just don't fight in the area or push people away from it, you wouldn't fight in a shadowflare/flame arrow/doton, so why would you fight in a nullification field? Bring them out or move and force them to follow. AST gets the 1buff/1status remove+dmg and SCH gets....knockback? If anything SCH should be brought onpar with the other two.