Why only 1 job per class?

From what I understand it seems as though the job system will be speciality in one aspect of your class. However, I am unsure as to why there is only 1 job per class. I think giving a character a range of abilities for their class then having say 2 jobs which they then pick to specialise in would give much more variation.

Right now I could seperate most classes in 2 jobs:

Gladiator; Samurai, Paladin
Marauder; Berserker, Thief (keeping with pirate nature)
Lancer; Dragoon, Blue mage (enermy skill)
Pugilist; Monk, Ninja
Archer; Ranger, Bard (since they are going to do this)
Conjurer; White mage, Black mage
Thaumaturge; Time mage, Red mage

Let me try with the two missing:

Arcanist; Summoner, Tamer
Musketeer; Gunslinger, Dancer/Geomancer

Out of all I put I only struggled to think of two for musketeer, so why do we only get one job? Not only that people are saying that abilities will move from classes to make them fit the jobs more. If that it is true, then why bother with classes? Why not just replace them with jobs? If you really want to make a less specialised class, then a specialist job, I really think that you should have multiple jobs per class).

If jobs could get implemented just by thinking up ideas, we'd be up to 50 jobs by now.

in future more jobs will be available? it takes time to make them and adjust you know, is not like they can just make it in one night.

They've already announced there will be multiple jobs per class in the future. This is an MMO, these things come over time with expansions and updates.

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Originally Posted by Vawn

They've already announced there will be multiple jobs per class in the future. This is an MMO, these things come over time with expansions and updates.

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Source? Last I heard they said this was possible but there was no definitive "Yes, this is what we are doing."

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Originally Posted by Wynn

Source? Last I heard they said this was possible but there was no definitive "Yes, this is what we are doing."

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I heard no 'definite' response to this, but I would presume "Expansion of Armoury, focused on classes and jobs, prior to version 2.0." would also encompass further jobs to be added to the job system, as it is expanding on the armoury system, and not just on job quests etc.

Sourced from FFXIV_2.0_Systems_and_Content_EN.pdf

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Originally Posted by Daniel_Hiroshi

From what I understand it seems as though the job system will be speciality in one aspect of your class. However, I am unsure as to why there is only 1 job per class. I think giving a character a range of abilities for their class then having say 2 jobs which they then pick to specialise in would give much more variation.

Right now I could seperate most classes in 2 jobs:

Gladiator; Samurai, Paladin
Marauder; Berserker, Thief (keeping with pirate nature)
Lancer; Dragoon, Blue mage (enermy skill)
Pugilist; Monk, Ninja
Archer; Ranger, Bard (since they are going to do this)
Conjurer; White mage, Black mage
Thaumaturge; Time mage, Red mage

Let me try with the two missing:

Beastmaster: Summoner, Tamer
Arcanist: Geonomancer
Musketeer; Gunslinger, Dancer

Out of all I put I only struggled to think of two for musketeer, so why do we only get one job? Not only that people are saying that abilities will move from classes to make them fit the jobs more. If that it is true, then why bother with classes? Why not just replace them with jobs? If you really want to make a less specialised class, then a specialist job, I really think that you should have multiple jobs per class).

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fix it for you. Source ? search for it some where at the forum, there should be interview some where. as the OP, you ask to much for the game "at-it's-2nd-release-state-at-decmber". Expect more job will be add at 2.0 or after

99.9% sure Yoshi stated something along the lines of "for now the jobs will be 1:1 but we will plan to expand upon this in the future"

It might take Gladiator Lv30, Marauder Lv15 and probably some Shield skill to unlock Paladin.

from the candor of the interview with the gamerescape/eorzapedia crew. we will be getting whats needed first. Hint thats not more dow classes/jobs. its mage and pet classes(surprisingly enough)

I recall him saying they were thinking of not making it as simple as just leveling one class to 30 and then unlocking the Job. One class to 30, another class to 15 => ability to unlock a Job.

If classes are to receive more than one Job in the future, there will be some interesting problems the dev team has to solve. If you toss one class a bone, you need to do the same for all other classes.... current and future. 2 Jobs per class? Every future class needs to have 2 Jobs as well, by default.

If they implement one Job per class, they will have an easier time in the future as well. They still need to bring both class and a Job to the game at once (well, nothing says they have to, but a class by itself won't be of much use), but at least it'll be easier than to implement a class and 2 Jobs at once.

They could also implement shared Jobs to keep the classes on an equal ground without having to do so much work in the future. But other interesting issues arise from that; if Jobs follow a class (and vice versa) in level progression, which class should these Jobs share their levels with?

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Right now I could seperate most classes in 2 jobs:

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That's great. Now give them abilities designed for a specific role but also so that they feel unique from other jobs in the same role; balance them so no one job is too much more powerful than another; design weapons, armor and animations; and flesh out at least five quests each. So simple.

And Yoshi did say in an interview over the summer that it was 1:1 just for now.

coz if your class auto-level your job to 50, has no sense to autolevel 2 jobs to 50.

In my opinion, autolevel fails.

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Originally Posted by Raistlin

coz if your class auto-level your job to 50, has no sense to autolevel 2 jobs to 50.

In my opinion, autolevel fails.

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the right thread Job Auto-leveling Yes or No

this is too the right thread... is my opinion about why we canot have 2 jobs per class. Because u will have a free job leveled.

it may actually go the other way, needing multiple classes to unlock a single job.

from this interview at rpgsite: http://www.rpgamer.com/news/Q4-2011/101811b.html

the relevant bit is this:

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Another major change in the pipeline is the addition of a job system to compliment the current class system. Yoshida states that jobs will not be replacing the classes, but will be built upon them when they are introduced in version 1.21, coming in early 2012. The example given was for unlocking the Paladin job quest. Players would first need to level the Gladiator and Marauder classes to level thirty and then complete a job quest. Once completed, Paladin would become available on top of the class system, almost like a subjob. Leveling up the Paladin would also increase the strength of the original job, Gladiator, and open a new job-specific quest every five levels or so. These jobs will grant unique skills and bonuses that can mix and match with the original armory class system, so a Paladin would gain abilities to help in playing a tank role.

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so we might have to level multiple classes that all contribute to the skills of that job.

i can easily imagine needing gla,con and thm to unlock red mage, since red mage has features of all those classes.

Okay... what determines which Class the Job shares its levels with if, say, both MRD and GLA need to be leveled to 30?

Will every Job have 2 class requirements? Will each have its own combination of classes, or can you, say, unlock BLM and WHM at once by leveling CNJ and THM?

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Originally Posted by mesterjester

it may actually go the other way, needing multiple classes to unlock a single job.

from this interview at rpgsite: http://www.rpgamer.com/news/Q4-2011/101811b.html

the relevant bit is this:



so we might have to level multiple classes that all contribute to the skills of that job.

i can easily imagine needing gla,con and thm to unlock red mage, since red mage has features of all those classes.

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I think the tactics approach is exactly the way the game should have been and should be going forward. It makes so much sense for the armory system that it completely blows me away that isn't what they did.

But this reported system is still not a true tactics-like system since the job is tied to one specific basic job and auto levels. Ah well... whatevs.

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Originally Posted by Betelgeuzah

They could also implement shared Jobs to keep the classes on an equal ground without having to do so much work in the future. But other interesting issues arise from that; if Jobs follow a class (and vice versa) in level progression, which class should these Jobs share their levels with?

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This is basically what I hope for in the future. I think you solve the problem you mentioned when you stop thinking in terms of "level progression" but in terms of a stance or mode that your class can take. So for example I unlock the Paladin job by quest after meeting the level requirements from certain classes. Now my Gladiator can go into Paladin mode by equipping a "job stone". This would probably alter his stats so they are more like a "Paladin" (lower his str and int a little and increase his vit and mnd). Going into this mode blocks him from using some actions from other classes and gives him some new abilities to use. Each time I meet the next threshold of class level requirements (ex. 35, 40, 45, 50) I unlock a new quest that gives me some new abilities. Let's say each time I finish a paladin job quest I rank up my paladin like "novice", "apprentice"..."master", etc.

Now let's say I want to use the Paladin job with my Marauder. Let's say my paladin job is maxed out, but my Marauder is only level 40. Then all you need to do is have the abilities that you learn at each tier of paladin (30, 35, 40, 45, ...) have a class level requirement. So the Marauder can equip Paladin but only use up to level 40 paladin abilities. When he hits 45 he cause use level 45 paladin abilities without having to go back and do a paladin quest again.

It really depends on how much the Job abilities will be dependent on the core classes. If Paladin abilities do a lot of things with shields then it wouldn't make sense to have a Paladin mode for Marauder.

But I like the idea of having classes being able to share a common job. This gives you a little more choice in playstyle since the Job supports your ability to perform a role, while the class determines the underlying mechanics for how you will perform that role.

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Originally Posted by Betelgeuzah

Okay... what determines which Class the Job shares its levels with if, say, both MRD and GLA need to be leveled to 30?

Will every Job have 2 class requirements? Will each have its own combination of classes, or can you, say, unlock BLM and WHM at once by leveling CNJ and THM?

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I think the multiple class requirements are just to give a final fantasy tactics feel to unlocking jobs and to make sure that someone who has unlocked the job has a sufficient pool of abilities to choose from to perform that job. Like we see in the game now, your ability to tank increases greatly if you've aquired skills not just from Gladiator but also from Marauder and Pugilist. Having this additional requirement forces ppl to learn some of these skills so they'll be less gimp at doing what the job is intended to do.

I stopped reading when you gave Samurai to Gladiator, at lest the jobs they made up make more sense. I've give SAM to LNC, polearm skill check, tp machine check. Why SAM to GLA, because SAM has a katana, thats a type of sword and bam then Gla has it? I'm not really mad, i just feel like people don't even think. The job of a class should make sense in some way. Gla has nothing to support a katana user, skill set wise.

Sure, then when u level up red mage, u are leveling 3 classes?

is not about requeriments, they said if u level your job, u are leveling your class too.. so how can u implement multiclass requeriment... for example

You gain 1000 exp with your RDM job.. wich class will get these 1000exp?

Ok lets fix it with a base class:

You are CON50 only, and RDM require con30 thm30 gla15 and uses CON as base... then when u level up thm to 30 and gla to 15 and... u will have a RDM50!!

and if someone have THM50 instead of CON he will have RDM30... wtf

So why i will get 2 jobs at 50 leveling only 1 class? no sense.


Only way for this to work is that at lvl 30 they allow u change your class for job, then every new job on that class will start at lvl 30. What happens now? We have classes at 50... not jobs, so what to do with all these exp points we learned from 30 to 50?

Posible solution:

You are CON50 -> You now are WHM50 and CON30 (lvl max for classes: 30)

SE announces Time Mage -> You finish quest and u will be TMG30


Problems: too much people leveling from 30 to 50 and only classes leveling 1 to 30. Hard to find partys at low level.

Best solution: Just rid of classes, and convert them into jobs, and new jobs starts from lvl 1.

I do like the idea of unlocking jobs through progression in multiple discipline.

It's not too difficult to balance.

If RDM is introduced, and has pre-reqs for both CNJ and THM 30 (or 20), when you unlock the Job you can apply the Job stone to it on both classes. It's spell arsenal consists of both THM and CNJ spells (up to level 30) and unique spells post-30. Thus it doesn't matter which class you use to switch into it, as it's essentially the same Job on both. Similarly, the EXP you obtain goes into the Class that you used to switch into RDM.

If there's more pre-reqs aside from CNJ and THM, they can be "second-tier" classes that can not change into the Job, but are required to obtain some proficiency in, say, sword and shield.

Then, each Class has a Job that is unique to it and a Job that is shared between two(or more) Classes.

Examples: MRD+LNC=>SAM. PGL+GLA=>THF/NIN. CNJ+THM=>RDM. ARC+"beastmaster"=>RNG(traps).

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Originally Posted by Raistlin

Sure, then when u level up red mage, u are leveling 3 classes?

is not about requeriments, they said if u level your job, u are leveling your class too.. so how can u implement multiclass requeriment... for example

You gain 1000 exp with your RDM job.. wich class will get these 1000exp?

Ok lets fix it with a base class:

You are CON50 only, and RDM require con30 thm30 gla15 and uses CON as base... then when u level up thm to 30 and gla to 15 and... u will have a RDM50!!

and if someone have THM50 instead of CON he will have RDM30... wtf

So why i will get 2 jobs at 50 leveling only 1 class? no sense.


Only way for this to work is that at lvl 30 they allow u change your class for job, then every new job on that class will start at lvl 30. What happens now? We have classes at 50... not jobs, so what to do with all these exp points we learned from 30 to 50?

Posible solution:

You are CON50 -> You now are WHM50 and CON30 (lvl max for classes: 30)

SE announces Time Mage -> You finish quest and u will be TMG30


Problems: too much people leveling from 30 to 50 and only classes leveling 1 to 30. Hard to find partys at low level.

Best solution: Just rid of classes, and convert them into jobs, and new jobs starts from lvl 1.

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what? class level=job level. If you are exping on a job, the exp goes to your class, which is shared with your job. No one knows how the 2 classes= one job will work. They stated it as an idea, it was not something they said was set in stone. Why do you people over complicate things?