This is a really fun and challenging fight, we are currently working on last bit of vortexer, probably clear next week... but it was a fun time. As we have seen, this fight is becoming easier and easier every week with gear, and with people getting new weapons etc, it will become even easier.. getting hit by mechanics won't even kill you at that point, so please just let this keep going and see how clear rates go lol. Idk why we as a community go into a (savage) raid and complain about difficulty and mechanics... theres no glitches anymore so idk why people are so mad... anyways.
TLDR : Fun fight, challenging, dont nerf please :D
Please don't nerf A6S
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03-27-2016, 05:05 AMSir_HermesPlease don't nerf A6S
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03-27-2016, 05:23 AMRemus
They won't nerf it. All they said was A6S is the A3S of this tier but so far the clears are as expected on different floors so everything seems fine right now. The only time it will get nerfed is when the new raid tier is introduced.
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03-27-2016, 05:42 AMSilica-chan
as far as I understand it Yoshi isn't happy that A6 seems harder than A7
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03-27-2016, 05:57 AMvp_cmcFor my static a7s is a problem, we have spent a lot of time there already, suffering random wipes here and there. So if it's your personal experience than grats. But if not, I recommend first try it yourself before saying this, it's not that easy (or we suck)Quote:
Originally Posted by Silica-chan
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03-27-2016, 06:05 AMAlistaireSays right in the live letter they're considering it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Remus
"The Cuff of the Son has the four bosses you have to fight in a row, but it’s likely that the increase in difficulty for this is because each of the bosses has their own mechanics and the damage they deal is high. While I can’t make any promises at the moment, we’re currently looking into adjusting the damage in the Cuff of the Son (Savage)."
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post3635247
Easily the most surprising thing to come out of this live letter, and that's including flying tank mounts. -
03-27-2016, 06:05 AMSilica-chanI'm quoting something of Mr Happys live letter coverage and if you would have checked my post properly you would have seen that I said Yoshi thinks it is that way not me.Quote:
Originally Posted by vp_cmc
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03-27-2016, 06:14 AMFoxyArekuOne floor being harder than the other does not make either floor 'easy'.Quote:
Originally Posted by vp_cmc
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03-27-2016, 06:22 AMUltear_MilkovichHe's just quoting Yoshi P , who actually said that in the Live Letter.Quote:
Originally Posted by vp_cmc
Sorry to be rude but nobody cares about your "try it yourself be-be-because WE actually do A7S unlike you scrubz!" attitude.
If you cant read then perhaps it s time to spend less time in A7... -
03-27-2016, 06:27 AMAshkendorUh. I didn't get that impression from their post at all. It feels more like they are having difficulty A7S and feel frustrated that people are saying it's easier than A6S because of that. I think you're just reading way too much into what they said.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ultear_Milkovich
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03-27-2016, 06:40 AMYISUG
maybe a little longer enrage would help
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03-27-2016, 06:47 AMDeeColonNo, part of the fun of the fight is that it's a boss rush, you can't sit around between fights and wait for CDs to align to do more dps on each individual boss it's just pull kill pull kill pull kill pull kill as fast as possible and that's great. I like that it's fast paced but not exceedingly difficult (for its place as the 2nd raid of the tier).Quote:
Originally Posted by YISUG
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03-27-2016, 06:51 AMVelox
It's all about linear difficulty. SE's goal is to have each floor of a raid more difficult than the previous, without a sudden jump in difficulty and without a discrepancy when a previous floor is more difficult than the next.
Using myawesometerrible MS Paint skills, I will attempt to illustrate my point.
http://i.imgur.com/yRyG3Qj.png?1
As you can see, it's not simply about "nerfing" a particular fight because some members of the community are complaining about it being "too hard." SE is striving to maintain consistency in difficulty increases. Just because they are nerfing something doesn't necessarily mean they are doing so because people asked for it. Sometimes they nerf something because it falls out of line in what they were trying to accomplish from the start. -
03-27-2016, 08:46 AMWizel
They need to adjust A6S a little bit, seems like too much of a jump from the previous turn just like A3S was and we all know what A3S did to the average raiding community on servers. A7S should be more difficult naturally but what I am hearing from skilled raid groups is that A7S is easier and that is a problem. Should they bump up A7S to compensate, not sure on that but A6S should come down to what goes in line with how the progression should be.
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03-27-2016, 11:20 AMLuminius
From my opinion they should have switched A6+7. We cleared both more or less fast but it still took us the double amount of lockouts to clear A6 in comp to A7. I would not change anythin. Its pretty fine what they made. Enrage timer are perfect set. The one and only thing they have to change back in final alex is the loottable like itvwas in Gordias. Sry but the Midastables are bad af with Head, Gloves, Pants and Boots in A7 though we have already all that except pants in a6
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03-27-2016, 02:14 PMSir_Hermes
So are you opposed to them just switching A6-7S ? Then it's linear, and not nerfing content, unprecedented for them to do it but why not?
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03-27-2016, 11:45 PMLone-wolfe-02
Fun fight lol.
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03-28-2016, 12:16 AMdejavutwo
The only problem I've really had with A6S is that there are a lot of mechanics that force you to move somewhere fast, and those don't work well with the server ticks, especially when combined with abilities like shoulder tackle.
The worst examples of this are when I placed ice, ice went down, I shoulder-tacked the boss, hit it once, then died to the tornado tether. I had water debuff so instant wipe. Another pull, I was in the stack for water, water swapped to me, I shoulder-tacked back to the boss, and managed to get there in time for the lightning swap, causing another instant wipe. Mirages have also been fairly problematic as there have been multiple instances where I will be on top of someone else before the animation starts, but only one of us will be hit. -
03-28-2016, 12:59 AMAlistaireNo matter how easy/hard a fight is there's still a learning period. Switching them would potentially take away a weekly clear or more from a group that has A6 learned but not A7.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir_Hermes
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03-28-2016, 01:30 AMRyuSaarva
everything is nerfed in this game so that new players can quickly clear all content and obtain all rare items so they can join the grind with old players.
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03-28-2016, 02:21 AMKerrigenWell, it's probably a lot easier for them to tune the numbers down than to swap them around, including their loot tables. I agree with your assessment, though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Luminius
I personally think A6 is fine as it is, but it's a design misstep and the difficulty curve isn't gentle at all coming out of A5. I'm surprised they're talking nerfs even before International Weapon Week but I'm guessing they're not satisfied with clear rates and the i230 weapons are meant to help clear A7, not 6. -
03-28-2016, 04:31 AMAsahinaMyLove
Yeah, Nerf Midas 3 and 4 instead please!!! >.<
Im stuck since release.. ppl can finish midas 1 and 2 in 10-15min, but 3 and 4...?
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03-28-2016, 05:14 AMAshkendorThis thread is about Savage, though... just farm Normal in a premade and you're good to go.Quote:
Originally Posted by AsahinaMyLove