Lately, I've been starting to having a problem if deciding which job I want to play next in expert roulette, and thought wouldn't it be nice to have a job roulette to pick for me for dungeon #5628? Can we please get a job roulette kinda like mount roulette, but it only picks on what's in the equipment sets, or has someone already made a macro of this?
[Dev request] Job roulette
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03-20-2016, 04:07 AMBigcat9715[Dev request] Job roulette
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03-20-2016, 04:13 AMXlantaa
That's seems very complex, because the job change is linked with the items you have equiped. YOu can have a lot of diferent gearsets, of the same job. Or even you can have all the jobs but not gearset defined for them. or maybe do not have enough item level. It is very hard, too much variables to have in mind.
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03-20-2016, 04:33 AMBigcat9715Does it really seem that complex? I thought the gear sets were macros, and the roulette coding would be able to build on top of that by picking a random value from 1-10 (or your max number of gear sets) and switching you to that set.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xlantaa
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03-20-2016, 04:40 AMMilesSaintboroguhThen can't people cheat the system by reducing the amount of gear sets so they can only have one or two jobs at the ready?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bigcat9715
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03-20-2016, 04:48 AMBigcat9715What's wrong with that? That person would just be switching between 2 jobs. I have a max of 5 jobs 2 dps and 3 healers, and when it comes to dungeons, fates, and any Form of grinding they all can get the job done. But after awhile doesn't it get boring trying to decide on which job you want to play next knowing you can do equally well with all of them? Wouldn't it be more fun just picking a job at random and going with that?Quote:
Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh
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03-20-2016, 05:02 AMMilesSaintboroguh
Because if you boil it down to just two choices, it's not really much a roulette (kinda like the expert roulette we have now, eh?) and more of picking which two sets of clothes to wear for extra tomestones. I don't see how you find it "boring" trying to decide what job to play if you can just pick randomly yourself instead of needing a bonus to do it randomly for you.
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03-20-2016, 05:08 AMTaika
I would love the option to queue to DF on several jobs at once. If I have a tank, healer and DD job available, the system should just pick one for me that's needed the most for whatever I'm queueing for. That would benefit everyone.
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03-20-2016, 05:09 AMFabricioRF
No thanks. Some people can't even play their main class...
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03-20-2016, 05:09 AMDivine_Intervention
DC Universe Online - Each "class" has two roles, one dps, the other it's support (tank, heal etc) role. You can queue for one instance as all of them at once, and it switches you to it when you enter the instance. if an F2P model can do it, why not this?
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03-20-2016, 05:26 AMMilesSaintboroguh
Because FF14 is a special snowflake, both good and bad.
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03-20-2016, 05:30 AMPhireblast
I'm not saying I oppose or support, but i'd be very worried if I get a SCH that has SMN's attribute allocations in my roulette...
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03-20-2016, 05:32 AMAshkendorNah. Don't worry about that, the difference is actually unnoticeably small.Quote:
Originally Posted by Phireblast
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03-20-2016, 05:34 AMBigcat9715Lol, well maybe there should be a minimum requirement of 3 or 4 for the roulette to work (kinda like how expert roulette should have a minimum of 3 or 4 to be considered a roulette). So, your saying I should close my eyes and keep pressing up and down until I'm ready, and then press X. I was looking for more of an official way or macro way of an roulette not an completely gank way of doing it lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh
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03-20-2016, 05:45 AMvp_cmcThen just go tank. Instant queues (so needed) for almost all content.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taika
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03-20-2016, 05:50 AMWinterLuna
It seems like a lot of work for something so.. pointless? You can just put your jobs in an online randomizer and have that pick for you. Not many people at all are stuck between 3 or 4 jobs because generally people have their own preference with classes and play styles. Also, they'd have to have 3 or 4 classes at similar levels for this to even work, which again, not many people have as people tend to level one thing at a time.
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03-20-2016, 06:33 AMBigcat9715So your saying it was pointless for them to make a mount roulette and then a flying mount roulette? Also Heavensward has been out for some time now. If it was released like a month ago I would completely agree with you, but at this point wouldn't people have more then 2 lvl 60 characters? On top of that the devs makes it easy to play catch up, so it's possible to make it to i200 in a very short period of time.Quote:
Originally Posted by WinterLuna
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03-20-2016, 07:05 AMAngelicSenceIt would be nice, this could potentially solve many problems, like, people waiting on specific role to start dungeon. But I don't think SE will consider this necessery. People usually don't have issues deciding which job they want to play next. If SE happen to implent this system, some players - such as yourself would use it, while others who only play 1 job or want to play specific job are not. So.. this would only separate player base even more than today. Unless those are tied to regular expert dungeons. Then I think no one would have any problems and SE should do it, just to help people find each other instead of waiting 20 - 30 minutes on average 5 min wait time lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Bigcat9715
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03-20-2016, 07:16 AMBigcat9715Wo wo wo hold on! Your going over board, I wasn't talking revamping the system to make it where you can end up in a dungeon with any random job that you have in your gear set. I talking about something along the lines of http://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/w/image...lette_Icon.png and then maybe que for dungeon or whatever.Quote:
Originally Posted by AngelicSence
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03-20-2016, 07:23 AMElHeggunteStep 1: Find an empty tissue box. Or any kind of opaque box with a hole in the top.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bigcat9715
Step 2: Write down the jobs you're able to play on little slips of paper. Put the paper in the box.
Step 3: Shake the box.
Step 4: Reach in the box and remove one of the slips of paper. Queue as the job you drew out.
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03-20-2016, 07:24 AMrjspencer4
please no, we'll get Scholars with points in INT, and Summoners with points in MND
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03-20-2016, 07:29 AMErzaScarlet77
all these people complaining about SCH with INT mustve never actually played SCH
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03-20-2016, 07:30 AMAngelicSenceOhh.. I see.. so you want the system to pick your job first, then you que for whatever dungeon/raid you like. Well, I thought my idea was more benefitial.. But, oh well. I feel kinda lame now lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bigcat9715
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03-20-2016, 08:10 AMKotemon
1. Play a job that has a bonus on DF.
2. Play a job that is Spirit Bonding stuff.
3. Arrange your jobs in order from 1 ~ 13 with Blm & Smn at the bottom and roll a 12 sided dice. Then if it lands on a 12 flip a coin, heads =Blm & tails =Smn.
4. Pick one you invested time onto being good at.
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That makes more sense. Isn't it possible to make a macro that could randomly change jobs outside combat/dungeons/scenario? It would have to work off the saved gear sets so how would it avoid randomly changing you to a Craft or Gatherer job or tell it to random you by level? If its a random button for the gear/job presets you make how would it filter them by ilevel or by War/Hand/Field types. It would just cycle and pick from whatever gear set you saved regardless.Quote:
Originally Posted by AngelicSence
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03-20-2016, 08:48 AMBigcat9715Well, I guess instead of hitting the roulette button until you get a DoW or DoM job your just going to be stuck going into the dungeon with a Culinarian job. Hopefully, your souffle can help save the day.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kotemon
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But, in all seriousness you just keep hitting the button until you get something you can run a dungeon with, kinda like if you don't get the right flying mount, and get stuck looking up fat chocobo butt. (Shiver) -
03-20-2016, 01:36 PMAlphaFox
Honestly it doesn't sound as bad as people are trying to make it. When you save your gear set the ilv is saved to that as well. Let it pick the class and decide the role needed for that dungeon, picks the role that matches the required criteria and minimum ilv, done.
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03-20-2016, 01:59 PMMilesSaintboroguh
Well now that I just realized it, what dungeons and trials cover this job roulette? Every roulette seems to fill some sort of niche, but I don't see this one filling in anything.
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03-21-2016, 01:22 AMYGSLlewso what? On LV 60 the difference is so small, most people won't even notice.Quote:
Originally Posted by rjspencer4
But while you're at it, don't forget people like me who select none of those but take the MP instead :D -
03-21-2016, 01:26 AMAndreaAre you saying you put your bonus stat points into piety..?Quote:
Originally Posted by YGSLlew
Am i reading this right? -
03-21-2016, 01:42 AMYGSLlew
that's how it is. I am no raid healer or raid summoner and for the rest of content which is fairly easy, it works out just fine.
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03-21-2016, 01:53 AMAndreaIts just that it gives so few MP that it is essentially worthless to put points into piety over int/mindQuote:
Originally Posted by YGSLlew
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03-21-2016, 02:30 AMYGSLlew
well, let's be honest. This whole attribute-point system for level up is not more than a good-for-nothing proxy system to give a "I have a choice!" feeling. Nothing more. It's worthless for all classes, given the numbers in your attributes, you reach at lv 60 anyway.
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03-21-2016, 04:43 AMEloah
i actually did the calculations before the expansion of where to place tge arcanist stats. I'm on my phone now or id post the thread it was in, but the short of it is at 50 Int was the better choice, at 60 now probably mind is better. Though as most people say the difference is minor. and if you dont play the job no complaining, those who play it know how to adjust to the differences.
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03-21-2016, 08:49 AMNoxifer
This would be awesome, actually. Personally, when I can't decide which job to go as, I assign number ranges for them and do /random, but... that's fine when I only have two or three jobs. When you have, say, 8 or 13, it gets a lot trickier to do that with /random ^^;
Like has been said, this isn't about a roulette akin to the instance roulettes. It's a roulette similar to "mount roulette" or "minion roulette" -- basically, hit a key/hotbar icon, and you get assigned a random gearset.Quote:
Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh
(Could be tricky if you have all crafters and gatherers, of course xD but then you'd just have to re-roulette it, no?) -
03-21-2016, 09:05 AMWinterLunaMount and minion roulette are completely aesthetic. Playing different classes isn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bigcat9715
Also, I assumed you meant a leveling roulette. A level 60 job roulette seems even more pointless, as the reward is no different regardless, and you wouldn't even be getting exp.
Again, if you really want to randomise your jobs just do it yourself. It just seems a waste of development time for something so trivial. -
03-22-2016, 03:19 AMMugenMugetsu
Someone already said it, but assign Job 1 a number range 1-10, Job 2 11-20, Job 3 21-30, etc. and use /random. Make your number range as wide or narrow as necessary to accommodate how many different jobs you have available. So for example you have 8 ready to go....100/8 = 12.5 so Job 1 1-13, Job 2 14-26, Job 3 27-39, etc. do /random if you get, for example 33 then you would play Job 3. /random FTW!
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03-22-2016, 03:25 AMBigcat9715Alright, I'll give this a try.Quote:
Originally Posted by MugenMugetsu
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03-22-2016, 03:31 AMKaurie
I feel the biggest issue would be having it choose things that don't meet the content you want to queue for. For example, maybe you have just got your BRD to 60 and it's only ilvl 160, and so you can't queue that in for expert roulette. It gets even worse if you include sub 60 stuff.
I'd recommend just using an online tool like this, http://www.mauvecloud.net/randomchooser.html -
03-22-2016, 05:31 AMCnidarianYou can even rename your gear sets to align with your numbering scheme. i.e. WHM 1-13, BLM 14-26...Quote:
Originally Posted by Bigcat9715