Not sure why, but ever since 3.2 dropped, I've been getting instant queues for pretty much everything as a tank or dps... but never as a healer. Expert or Midas take like 20 minutes to pop, whereas I can go as a DPS or tank and get near instant queues. Anyone else noticing the same things or am I just going crazy?
Healer queues taking longer than usual?
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03-18-2016, 11:32 PMThunda_Cat_SMASHHealer queues taking longer than usual?
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03-19-2016, 12:12 AMNorthernLadMSP
You are not going crazy, I'm noticing the same thing.
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03-19-2016, 12:17 AMRagology
Maybe the rumors are true about them preparing to implement a "support" role icon in preparation for a new job?
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03-19-2016, 12:51 AMHPDelronI can't imagine this would affect current queue times. More likely is that just the composition of the DF has changed. It's possible that the recent exodus of FoTM tank players may have increased the relative healer population. Really though just about anything is pure speculation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ragology
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03-19-2016, 01:15 AMGhishlain
The healer queue has gone up since the patch hit. I believe they did adjust how Duty Finders search and match players together and that would be another factor to some of the delays healers are experiencing on top of what's been listed here. The only real time I get instant queue's on healer is when I'm going for Trial DR and I feel queuing for DPS (especially for Midas normal) to be faster.
...now if I only I can drum up the courage to trust a random DF Healer and queue on something other than healer. lol -
03-19-2016, 12:43 PMMidnightTundra
Tanks get nerfed in 3.2 > People stop playing tank > Queues get longer.
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03-19-2016, 01:45 PMVeloxThat would be true assuming an equal distribution of tanks moving to queue as healers AND DPS. The current queue situation has <30 second waits for DPS and upwards of 15 minute waits for healers. I've been testing this off and on since 3.2 since I noticed the stark changeQuote:
Originally Posted by MidnightTundra
When queuing as a SCH or WHM, I'd get, on average, a...
10-15 minute wait for Expert Roulette
5-7 minute wait for Trial Roulette
1-2 minute wait for Mentor Roulette
4-5 minute wait for High Level Roulette
8-10 minute wait for Anti-tower
10-15 minute wait for Lost City of Amdapor (Hard)
8-12 minute wait for Void Ark
When queuing as a MNK (to test melee DPS priority), I'd get, on average, a...
0-3 second wait for Expert Roulette
1-2 minute wait for Trial Roulette
1-2 minute wait for Mentor Roulette
3-5 minute wait for High Level Roulette
9-10 second wait for Anti-tower
1-3 minute wait for Lost City of Amdapor (Hard)
2-3 minute wait for Void Ark
When queuing as a BRD (to test ranged DPS priority), I'd get, on average, a...
25-30 second wait for Expert Roulette
3-4 minute wait for Trial Roulette
10-12 minute wait for Mentor Roulette
4-5 minute wait for High Level Roulette
50-60 second wait for Anti-tower
1-3 minute wait for Lost City of Amdapor (Hard)
13-16 minute wait for Void Ark
Assuming a tank exodus, this would only happen if every single tank is queuing as a healer instead, which is highly unlikely. A more reasonable explanation is a change in the sorting algorithm; one that bumped healers down the list to have the lowest priority when being matched. It's a good time to play a DPS. -
03-19-2016, 09:04 PMCulfinrandir
I've noticed the same on Leviathan. It's getting to be an annoyance now trying to queue for anything, be it roulette or a specific duty. I queued for the 4 Midas raids last night & although it said 5min or so I waited 20 minutes & didn't get a pop so gave up. Expert Roulette took about 15 minutes, which is unheard of & is unusually long even during UK daytime (morning in the USA). It only started like this since 3.21 in my experience. Thing is, it can't be due to The Feast as that's got quite long queues too!
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03-19-2016, 09:15 PMKerrigen
Healer queues for level 60 content have been getting longer quite steadily for me since maybe 3.1?
I always had to wait a relatively long time for Void Ark, while it has always been instant or close to instant as DPS.
I've honestly been wondering if Heavensward didn't complicate DPS rotations so much that some players gave up on DPS roles for more casual content, as it's a lot easier to get carried through content while watching Netflix as a healer.
I personally know DPS players who run dungeons with Medica-wait-Medica macros so they can watch TV, so... -
03-20-2016, 01:23 AMThe_Shang
I haven't noticed a change for DPS, tbh. Healer queues are indeed longer, whether solo or with a partially pre-formed party (I tend to play with my gf, she plays a ton of WHM lately).
As a tank though (which I dislike playing even though I've got a lvl60 DRK)...
That's insta-pop for pretty much everything. -
03-20-2016, 04:07 AMtechnole
Just about everything is instant when I go Warrior, from Midas to Trials including mentor roulette which is solo queue only, and sometimes throws me in a Expert Roulette dungeon if it's not an ARR extreme primal that someone says they have been waiting a long time for. Slowest tank queue is always going to be Void Park, since it has the limited amount of roles but that is usually 10 minutes tops if solo and not full pre-form.
I would even say Expert Roulette isn't such a very high demand late in the cap week. As there are plenty of ways to cap with current content from repeat Midas runs, Seph Extreme, PvP, beast tribes, etc. Then you also have being able to fully preform for the other roulettes now like Trials, and we do that a lot. Mentor roulette tries to plug these holes though even if there is no one new to an instance. But that has been my experience as I try to do multiple times a day. -
03-20-2016, 07:18 AMAngelicSence
There are no accurate answer to this unless we know what everyone is doing at specific (exact) time. Maybe people just play different content, but it requires more people to fill DPS role than a Healer. So, it's usually easier to go as DPS, but again, it depends. SE made it so that there is a reason to run old dungeons. Player base pretty much split up.
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03-20-2016, 07:31 PMThe_Shang
Just throwing this in there, just took this screenshot:
http://images.akamai.steamuserconten...90D67283CA9CA/
The Wanderer's Palace HM queue for my lvl60 summoner relic, and still waiting while typing this... -
03-20-2016, 07:47 PMCulfinrandirIronically, I got Wanderer's Palace HM last night in roulette as a SCH. All of the party were lvl60 & not first timers. I don't recall anyone doing it for their Relic either. The DF is bizarre.Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Shang
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03-21-2016, 12:40 AMGeula
It took me 40 minutes today to get into MSQ Roulette as SCH. Level 50 roulette went a bit faster but still not sub-20 minutes.
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03-21-2016, 07:20 PMCulfinrandir
I has crazy wait times last night to get into any Midas duty when queued as a solo SCH. It would say, for example, "waiting time 9m" but 25/30min later it still didn't pop. However, I queued with a BLM friend & queue times were shorter & we got in after 5-9min. Not only that, but we got into the "reserved queue" almost instantly & were just waiting for the tanks. I never even saw the reserved queue on solo SCH.
There's definitely something wrong because almost all roulette & raids are taking at least 20 minutes *more* than the estimated time as a healer. -
03-22-2016, 06:52 PMSida
If lot of people stopped playing tanks, and they'd distribute evenly among dps and healer, that'd still hit harder the healer queues since there is half of the spots for them comparing to dps.
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03-23-2016, 04:30 PMZari
I havent really noticed much change in healer queues here on Phoenix. Occasionally it feels a bit longer but generally doesnt go above the usual max of 5-10 min.
I have noticed the dps queues have gotten significantly faster though, which is great -
03-25-2016, 03:31 AMHelyon
Defiantly a change on Ultros for the healer queue. On a positive not I can level other jobs while I wait now lol.
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03-25-2016, 03:49 AMHPDelronTo Illustrate, here is a gross simplification:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sida
Original Player Pool:
100 Tanks
120 Healers
300 DPS
100 parties can be made. 20 healers Waiting. 100 DPS waiting. No Tanks waiting.
Half the tanks leave and go evenly to Healers & DPS
New Player Pool
50 Tank (-50)
145 healers (+25)
325 DPS (+25)
50 Parties can be made. 95 Healers are waiting. 225 DPS are waiting.
The pool of waiting healers is close to 5 times bigger. While the DPS pool has only about doubled. Granted matchmaking is more complicated than this and the healer/DPS excess disparity probably isn't quite that huge (though this would make things worse, not better for healers post-exodus). But you can see that an exodus of tanks to other roles will always disproportionately affect the healer population unless they skew heavily DPS.