How do I find out which job I don't suck at?

Especially now since I've already invested 825 Lore in the caster leg piece. I used to play SMN, but apparently not well enough. So I'm kind of stuck. At the least all my other jobs are ilvl 200+ so I guess I won't be too far behind.

The question shouldn't be what job do I not suck at.

The question should be what job is your favourite. Being good at a job doesnt mean you will enjoy said job and thats just going to lead towards negativity.

Plus liking a job can be used as motivation to get better at the job.

Not well enough to whose standard?
Play what you enjoy playing. If you're "bad", then practice.

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Plus liking a job can be used as motivation to get better at the job.

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Play what you enjoy playing. If you're "bad", then practice.

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I think this sums it up pretty well. I can understand too that some people can only enjoy a job if they're doing the best they can on it. So you could love a job and practice the hell out of it and never be "good". It's up to you though and like the previous posters said passion is key. Good luck OP!

I agree with the others, play the job you have the most fun as. If that isn't an option for you for whatever reason, then you could always hit up the SSS for your appropriate ilvl and see what you perform the best as.

If someone said to you that you're bad, just ignore him. Just play the job you like. If you want a improvemnt, you can search for guides or ask for help. You shouln't be force to play a class you don't like. Play for fun, so, play what you like more! If you like SMN, go ahead!

Play them all, find out which one you like, and/or git gud.

But seriously, sticking with a class simply because its strong is the worst thing you can do. Find one that matches your playstyle and go from there. Research rotations and ask for help if you have to.

Play what you enjoy, definitely. One of my gaming buddies would play whatever class was the biggest hitter in mmos, and while he's a really good player, he usually ends up wanting to quit the game much sooner than I would because he wasn't having much fun. He was about to do the same in ffxiv as well but I persuaded him not to. Now he quite likes being a ninja.

You may not be good now, but there is always room for improvement if you are willing to put in the effort. I used to be a derpy bard whose dps was apparently so low, I got kicked out of pony farms even though I was mechanically perfect... after researching rotations and learning about things like stat weights and food, I became good enough to do end-game raiding.

If you have experience with previous MMOs, we might be able to give you some advice based on the play style you like.

Ultimately though, everyone starts off somewhere and have to overcome some wall at some point in their life. It's far easier and funner to train in something you enjoy than based on a theoretical aptitude or opinion devised by some teenager with too much time on their hands.

Just work on it and try to tell us a little more detail about what the person said, what the fight was, and your thoughts on what you did wrong. Everybody's been at that point, so it's not like we'd say you suck just because you asked some random strangers on the internet how to improve.

Stick with it! SMN is a very fluid class. Just check out a couple of different guides and there's differing opinions on it, so imo play how you wanna play and have fun. :3

I will share with you my story back in 2.0 T5

Literally people call me one of the worst tank and people are telling me to stop playing tank, but that never got in to me cause I am a block head

I practice ahead of time I watch video, spend more time practicing then anyone else, research on combo and buff rotation

Is how I reach to where I am now getting friended for future raids however I am a retired raid player I only do casual stuff now

Is all about if you like this job? You practice it don't let people tell you what you can and can't do!

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Originally Posted by Andrea

The question shouldn't be what job do I not suck at.

The question should be what job is your favourite. Being good at a job doesnt mean you will enjoy said job and thats just going to lead towards negativity.

Plus liking a job can be used as motivation to get better at the job.

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Yup. Every time I see the shouts of "Which tank is the best?", "Which healer is the best?", "Which DPS should I play?", I always respond back, "The one you enjoy playing." Pretty much been saying that in any game I ever played.

Paying money to play a class / job / race / whatever that you don't enjoy, just because a spreadsheet somewhere claims it is the optimum, yeah, no thanks.

There are training dummies outside of Idyllshire.

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Originally Posted by BunnyChain

There are training dummies outside of Idyllshire.

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Wait wut, where?

Or do you mean SSS?

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Originally Posted by Slappah

Wait wut, where?

Or do you mean SSS?

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Somewhere near a cliff right outside one of the gates.

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Originally Posted by F_Maximillian

Somewhere near a cliff right outside one of the gates.

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I'll have to go check that out, never even knew that

Seems less convenient than Summerford farms though since you can get those right with the teleport instead of porting to idle then porting outside idle

Either way though....
"The more you know"

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Originally Posted by Ninster

Especially now since I've already invested 825 Lore in the caster leg piece. I used to play SMN, but apparently not well enough. So I'm kind of stuck. At the least all my other jobs are ilvl 200+ so I guess I won't be too far behind.

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Find a job that you enjoy to play as and just learn to become better. Play for yourself and not for others.

I never understood why people have other players decide for them. Pick what you like, and if it's hard, just practice at it. You won't mind practicing something you like.

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Originally Posted by Ninster

Especially now since I've already invested 825 Lore in the caster leg piece. I used to play SMN, but apparently not well enough. So I'm kind of stuck. At the least all my other jobs are ilvl 200+ so I guess I won't be too far behind.

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There's no mystery : practice practice practice.
If you think you're not good enough, check guides, theorycrafting, improve your rotation. Then you have to learn to adapt to every situation. If you love SMN stick to it.

If you like the playstyle, it might be a better idea to work on what's actually rewarding in the first place Either way, feel free to experiment to find what feels more natural. Some very good players started out at the very bottom, though.

Hope you take my comment in the constructive spirit it is intended.
You say you have all your classes levelled up, but imply you suck at all of them? Maybe that is at least part of the issue, my advice is to decide whichever class you like best then stick to perfecting it. Read guides, speak to others proficient in that class, band about ideas of things to try that just might be a rotation improvement etc

Better that than a jack of all trades, master of none

There is no better motivation than playing a class you enjoy. By all means play others and see how you feel but if somebody says you suck at playing your class it doesn't mean change it just take some criticism and learn from what they said. Some can also be taken with a grain of salt there are a lot of people who don't play your class who will tell you how to play it and a lot that do but are bad and will give poor advice. The best thing to do is look up some reputable guides and see what you can learn to improve yourself in a class you enjoy playing. After you learn more about your class skills start thinking outside the box on things you can do for each instance to help everyone else and optimise your performance. You can become good at any class if you feel invested enough in it.

The job you don't suck at it the job you enjoy playing, and main.

I started the game as CNJ because I always am a healer in games that allow it. Sadly, I am not a healer that can dps well, and the community gave me crap for it. I figured since people wanted me to be a dps, I ended up leveling (and maining) BRD.

However, BRD became a problem when I wasn't able to push high dps. I guess people ignored the fact that BRD gets reduced damage with certain songs active, AND our weapon damage is 5 levels lower that other DPS classes. That said, I turned to PLD.

I had a strong run with PLD for about 3 months of constant training. But then, fights were introduced where tank-swapping was needed (Titan Ex). Since my mentality was that of a solo tank (coming from FFXI), it was tough for me to get the swaps in my head. Plus, I stink as an OT.

I eventually went back to BRD while ignoring people's comments. When ROG released, I tried that class and been NIN main ever since. People would say that my damage was lacking, but it put in a LOT of hard training to get my NIN on par. Just recently, a group tried to bash my NIN because I ended up falling under the BLM and DRG that was in our party. I then realized that they didn't know no better; a NIN couldn't beat a DRG and BLM if they all are on equal grounds.

In that same group, I was happy. I was clocked in at about 1200-1300 dps on Faust earlier this year. As soon as I hit that Trick Attack, the BLM and DRG just pooped all on my damage lol... Another thing was that I hit the MT with Shadewalker. With that, I was a low number on the hate list. People are ignorant to some things. My placement on the hate list made them believe that I sucked. I guess they didn't realize that I'm sending my enmity to the MT, thus dropping me down on the hate list. This did not cause me to lose morale, though, like it used to. I think I do a great job now.

People also told me to play what I want, and what makes me happy. While BRD and NIN makes me happy, I love playing NIN, and I think it shows. Take it from me; if the job you're playing is loved by you, you WILL become that job, and everything else will become irrelevant. You will start to notice an increase in damage and a better play style.

Those moments where I end up being a boss's target just after the MT dies shows that I'm doing good. That, right there, is an Achievement in itself.

My apologies for the late response, but to elaborate I had asked a friend if I could try out Sephirot EX with him and some of his static, except he didn't have the most optimistic tone when he told me I'd have to be parsed and not to screw up.

Sure enough, I tried out the SSS dummy and got it to 4%, 6%, then 9% before I gave up on it and myself. For any other EX at the time it was out my friend wouldn't have minded, but given the way he reacted here... I guess I'm not impressing him. Which kind of sucks, because IMO my best thing is mechanic memorization. I was even watching him and his static this past week try to clear Seph EX and taking notes of positionings and whatnot.

It seems dumb, but I kind of just want to keep my friend, and it's hard to do that when you're sucking at the stuff that matters yet facepalming every time people derp on mechanics in every other content, including T9 unsync farms.

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Originally Posted by Ninster

It seems dumb, but I kind of just want to keep my friend, and it's hard to do that when you're sucking at the stuff that matters yet facepalming every time people derp on mechanics in every other content, including T9 unsync farms.

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It's not dumb at all. If you care so much about your player skills and friend, there is a chance that you can improve your playstyle. You are asking very important question here, but without knowing how you play, we can only assume which job is better for you. Most people will only push you to play whatever they like to play, but some people are right about "play whichever job is your favorite". In your case, it might be a SMN. But honestly, what is really important.. I think it's that you become very fast and efficient player. My main is a healer, so in order for me to impress people, I have to stance dance and deal damage while keeping everyone safe. My mana is below 10%? I use too much MP on DPS? "click on potion" etc.

Step 1: Find something you enjoy playing. Start with a role, and then break it down until you have a job that suits your play style.
Step 2: Gearing; gear up and practice along the way.
Step 3: Rape the test dummy. Not literally, but if you have chosen DPS, then you have to practice and hammer that rotation in. You need to figure out how to always keep your numbers up, despite moving/mechanics.
Step 4: Learn the fights. In some fights casters have it easier to just slam their rotation without a problem, but in others, melee will have it easier due to certain mechanics. If you tank or heal, it is good to know what other healers/tanks can do, and find some sort of synergy. Pre-shielding, pre-healing and such, as well as switching tanks you have to learn.

EDIT: I am saying this out of experience. I am going through the same atm. We have way too many healers in the FC, and even though I enjoy playing as a healer, I decided to switch to DPS. I find it very enjoyable (it happens to be a summoner), and at the moment I am working on my rotation and just learning the fights from the DPS point of view. You can't just suck or not suck. Practice make perfect. I am very motivated, and I am having loads of fun, so I know I will be way better than I currently am, given enough time. And hopefully, the FC will always bring me along, without facepalming. :)

EDIT2: If your friend reacts badly to your DPS; nonconstructive, pessimistic and just.. In bad blood, then you might reconsider your purpose here. Do you really want to be friends with someone who puts you down? Did he offer help at least? Why was he disappointed over DPS in a game? A FRIEND? Sometimes it is more important to know the mechanics and not wipe the entire group that have the top DPS. I mean, come on.. I might lose DPS when kicking bombs away in Midas but if I didn't do that, we'd wipe. /shrug just an example

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EDIT2: If your friend reacts badly to your DPS; nonconstructive, pessimistic and just.. In bad blood, then you might reconsider your purpose here. Do you really want to be friends with someone who puts you down? Did he offer help at least? Why was he disappointed over DPS in a game? A FRIEND? Sometimes it is more important to know the mechanics and not wipe the entire group that have the top DPS. I mean, come on.. I might lose DPS when kicking bombs away in Midas but if I didn't do that, we'd wipe. /shrug just an example

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Actually, not really. About as much help as I could get was "maybe you could find your own static?", which I'm not sure how to take. And as he elaborated on some of the other stuff he's done with me, my gear and their gear was to a point where "if I messed up" they could still carry me. That being said, this is the same friend that just last night talked me out of suicide (on an unrelated and very much real life issue, to be clear), so it's a confusing friendship at times, to say the least.

Anyway, part of this... "drama" is my fault for not really taking into account that Sephirot EX was, at the time "progression" content (is? I'm new to this so my apologies for not having my terms right), something I haven't done before. Almost every other EX primal and Coil turn I've downed was generally at a time where either gear was easily available to more than meet any dps checks or the undersized party option existed. This all brings more questions of how I was actually performing, and just how much contribution I made to my own clears.

Simply put, maybe I should say I've been "casual-zoned" by my friend. Y'know, like the friendzone. Or that I'm the 15th member of an 8-person static.

Anyway, to angle this another direction, how might I go about forming and/or finding my own static if that's what I have to do? And what all do I need to know before I delve even deeper into this?

I wouldnt give up on a job you love. Have a look at guides online and on these forums and see where and how you can improve :).

Also take into consideration your friend and his static. It really depends on the type of progression they prefer. It's tough to be friends with someone in an MMO and their skill level isn't the same. Maybe he'd like to have you in his static, but then there are 6 others who are apart of that group. Hell, some statics don't even consider taking RL friend pairs/couples because of that is exact reason.

If it's a casual group, then maybe there might be an issue, but if it's even taken a little seriously, it puts him in a tough spot as well. Just don't think he's not your friend if you can't join his group. He might feel just as bad that you can't join.

To put it into some context, my very first static in this game was an FC static. We all had a good time and we're all really skilled players. Good at their roles and good at mechanics. However, 1 of our melee was not very good. Pretty bad actually. Wiped us repeatedly to same mistakes, low dps, etc. Only problem was, he was the FC & Raid Leader's cousin and they were really close. What do you do? Ask the guy to kick his cousin? Carry on wiping for weeks and weeks without progression? You think the raid leader knew he sucked? Probably, but what can you say? It's tough when issues like this happen. Just take that with a grain of salt.

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Did they mean it in a way to help you in future content? Ie suggest that finding a static may help you in the long run to not need his statics help?

While im not saying theres anything wrong in what either of you were doing maybe he was just trying to help with his static suggestion instead of pushing you away.

I would say just practice, if you really enjoy a class, just play it and learn the nuances and tricks of it, ask for some help or look up some guides.

For example, I really enjoy playing MCH, I used to be pretty sub-par at it, I asked a friend to show me the optimal opener and how to keep up sustain, with a bit of guidance and practice, I can dish out very satisfactory DPS, all it took was patience.

Keep up with the jobs you like, seek someone to help you out, you will get results in no time.

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Originally Posted by Ninster

Actually, not really. About as much help as I could get was "maybe you could find your own static?", which I'm not sure how to take. And as he elaborated on some of the other stuff he's done with me, my gear and their gear was to a point where "if I messed up" they could still carry me. That being said, this is the same friend that just last night talked me out of suicide (on an unrelated and very much real life issue, to be clear), so it's a confusing friendship at times, to say the least.

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Sounds like you have some real life issues you should worry about more than the job you are playing... but if you like Smn then practice and if you don't try playing something else. I would say SMN is the hardest of all DPS jobs and it doesn't help that it is really hard to know if you are doing poorly. In DF I can tell pretty quickly who the bad dps are unless its a SMN.

I think you should stick with SMN aswell :) Its tricky.. getting the rotations down at first, but I really enjoy it also.. Look at some guides if you are confused on rotations or something.. you can only get better at a job the more you play it, not worse!

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Also take into consideration your friend and his static. It really depends on the type of progression they prefer. It's tough to be friends with someone in an MMO and their skill level isn't the same. Maybe he'd like to have you in his static, but then there are 6 others who are apart of that group. Hell, some statics don't even consider taking RL friend pairs/couples because of that is exact reason.

If it's a casual group, then maybe there might be an issue, but if it's even taken a little seriously, it puts him in a tough spot as well. Just don't think he's not your friend if you can't join his group. He might feel just as bad that you can't join.

To put it into some context, my very first static in this game was an FC static. We all had a good time and we're all really skilled players. Good at their roles and good at mechanics. However, 1 of our melee was not very good. Pretty bad actually. Wiped us repeatedly to same mistakes, low dps, etc. Only problem was, he was the FC & Raid Leader's cousin and they were really close. What do you do? Ask the guy to kick his cousin? Carry on wiping for weeks and weeks without progression? You think the raid leader knew he sucked? Probably, but what can you say? It's tough when issues like this happen. Just take that with a grain of salt.

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I understand this... well, it's not nepotism, but something else...

Anyway, I understand this might be an issue, which is why I'm hoping to work on my own merits instead of causing this kind of problem. It's jarring to say the least when over a fair period of time I've been introduced and gotten to know the static members, and have even had my friend "call in the calvary" when it came to help me progress through main scenario content or somewhat beyond, but when I want to try out Sephirot EX it suddenly has to be a committee decision and my skill has to skyrocket. And they all seem to think well of me, although I'm unsure if this is on a personal level or as a player. None of them have questioned my competence to say the least in anything we've done.

Perhaps what made this something bigger for me than it should be is I was literally hanging out with him and watching his static clear it. Being on PC, I don't have much option in terms of voice chat with PS4 players (that I know of, pardon the ignorance), but sitting right next to my friend would've been a perfect time if I was to be given a shot. Now that I'm back home from the visit... aside from possibly calling me personally to run it, I guess it's make new friends from scratch or sit out like he says until I'm ilvl 240 and can get carried if I screw up. Not exactly something I can be much proud of, though.

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I'll shoot it to you straight. Not everyone is going to be the best at everything they do. Video games are no exception. In high end raiding you have to be able to see everything. Know where each of your party members are, what attacks the boss is casting, where you're standing, party list, your buff and effect timers, thinking about the next attack coming at you, all while maintaining your rotation with losing as little uptime as possible. It requires incredible multitasking skills and hand eye coordination. Not everyone is gonna have that skillset and there is nothing wrong with that.

Now I don't know you're playstyle and skill level so that might not at all be the case with you. So with that being said, you have to have passion. I've played most of the classes in this game and enjoy the ones I've tried. And I can play them all pretty competently. But I'm no where near as good on my alts as I am on my main. And it's because of time and practice and experience. No one picks up a class and is a world first progression player. You have to study, research, experiment. Get experience by doing different fights. I have to relearn my opener in every raid because every fight is different. When 3.0 came out and I hit 60, I spent half the day on a striking dummy trying different things.

So in conclusion, like everyone else has said, it takes hard work and practice and a lot of time to get to that level, so you should most definitely play a class that you're most passionate about.