Novice Network bot invasion

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03-12-2016, 12:43 AM
Sepa

Novice Network bot invasion

I don't know about the other servers but in Odin we've encountered this issue with multiboxing and RMT bots filling the newcomer section of our Novice Network.
Not only that but they are also taking space in the player capasity of the server.

Our only solution so far has been clearing the channel by kicking out the potential bot candidates. But as it turns out the kicked newcomers will automatically come back in 30 minutes.

I just wonder if there's a solution to actually stop this loop from going on.
03-12-2016, 01:18 AM
Mael-bess

Well i guess the RMT bot master (the mentor that is inviting all the bots) needs to be found and dealt with.

edit: engrish.
03-12-2016, 01:29 AM
Malzian

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Originally Posted by Mael-bess

Well i guess the RMT bot master (the mentor that is inviting all the bots) needs to the found and dealt with

Yeah, I had suggested letting mentors know when a new novice was invited and by whom (same as for kicking) so that we could better handle this. No resolution yet.
03-12-2016, 01:53 AM
Mael-bess

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Originally Posted by Malzian

Yeah, I had suggested letting mentors know when a new novice was invited and by whom (same as for kicking) so that we could better handle this. No resolution yet.

It's not like this by default? Darn. Yeah a log of some sort would be a nice quick fix so the players (mentors) could solve matters like these quickly, and then report the bot master so GM could take further, more advanced, action.
03-12-2016, 02:00 AM
Eidolon

It's less likely that it's a "Master RMT" and more likely that it's a "Bored troll on your server"
03-12-2016, 03:53 AM
Galdous

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Originally Posted by Eidolon

It's less likely that it's a "Master RMT" and more likely that it's a "Bored troll on your server"

So naive. There are so many bots in this game it's ridiculous.
03-12-2016, 03:58 AM
Lego3400

There are also Mentors who just run around inviteing any and every leaf they see with a macro and don't bother checking if it's a real player or even talking to them.
03-12-2016, 04:06 AM
Aramina

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Originally Posted by Galdous

So naive. There are so many bots in this game it's ridiculous.

He was not saying the novice was not RMT, but rather the mentor inviting them was likely a troll, not a "Master RMT".
03-12-2016, 04:26 AM
RaspberryRipple

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Originally Posted by Lego3400

There are also Mentors who just run around inviteing any and every leaf they see with a macro and don't bother checking if it's a real player or even talking to them.

You can player search for people with the sprig leaf, and it will bring a list of every new player on the server. So they don't even have to run around. Just go down the list inviting.
03-12-2016, 08:19 AM
ShadowHunterrX

Not really a issue. There are already many so called mentors who dont belong in there , if I believe my friend who just started playing.
03-12-2016, 08:51 AM
Itseotle

Could also be 2 (or more) RMT "masters" one that invites all the bots and one that remains silent until the first master is kicked.. then re-invites him.
03-12-2016, 09:03 AM
Vivi_Bushido

My question is, what benefit does a "Master RMT" gain by inviting a bunch of sprout bots into a channel where everyone can clearly tell that these're bots? Wouldn't it be dumb for a "Master RMT" to be inviting their slave accounts into the network where a bunch of mentors can alert the GMs of these potential accounts?

(If they were advertising in the novice network, then yeah, I could see that being the case; however we don't seem to have that issue on Balmung. At least, right now.)
03-12-2016, 09:21 AM
Valkyrie_Lenneth

How would RMT even get the qualifications to be a Mentor? They have to get 300 coms and complete 1k duties. I dont see anyone giving RMT bots coms lol
03-12-2016, 01:54 PM
Vivi_Bushido

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

How would RMT even get the qualifications to be a Mentor? They have to get 300 coms and complete 1k duties. I dont see anyone giving RMT bots coms lol

It's pretty likely that the bot master(s) have an authentic main account to play the game with. After all, how else would they be able to research the game's economies and know what markets are the in-demands for business? The bots would have to have knowledge of how the game works from a player PoV, before they could even sell a product. They don't just sell and advertise blindly.

Even if the bot master(s) had a serious account which they actually played the game on, (probably still using bots on themselves of course). It can't be too far fetched that some bots have real accounts they physically enjoy the game on. It can't be all work and no play on their part. After all, these're bots. They play themselves anyway, which would leave the bot master(s) with a lot of free time to pretty much do anything else they wanted. Who knows. Maybe to increase income, they sell carries on some accounts while making more on bot accounts. An unlikely, but not impossible theory I assure you.
03-12-2016, 02:28 PM
ThusFarJay

I think you're giving the RMTs too much credit. I'm going to agree, it's likely a troll or inviting without being aware. What gain would they get?
03-12-2016, 02:57 PM
LadyVal

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Originally Posted by ThusFarJay

I think you're giving the RMTs too much credit. I'm going to agree, it's likely a troll or inviting without being aware. What gain would they get?

If you're looking at it from the RMT perspective, the Novice Network is gold for you. It's a chat people can't leave, and you are focusing your advertisements to a group of new players who probably don't know that RMT is against the rules. If a newbie buys $20 worth of gil from them, and then they get banned, what does RMT care? They made $20. They only do what they do for profit, anyways.

It's like a candy company finding a way to advertise inside of a school or daycare.
04-05-2016, 11:42 AM
Sepa

https://i.gyazo.com/2dada543e31e7381...efb26940be.png

Really.. What's the point in all that?
04-05-2016, 02:13 PM
Adire

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Originally Posted by ShadowHunterrX

Not really a issue. There are already many so called mentors who dont belong in there , if I believe my friend who just started playing.

Bad mentors and RMT are completely different beasts.

To say RMT being in the network isn't an issue because there are bad mentors in it is just....wild, to say the least.
04-05-2016, 03:36 PM
Reaperking386

I believe that the mentor system should have a daily or weekly requirement to keep your crown on your head. It is a system that easily gives the ability to mentor people based on just playing the game. You don't really need to go out there to be a mentor. Just play the game and eventually you are a mentor with out aiming for it. There should be something that should set good mentors from bad ones. The ones who want to mentor and the ones who only want the crown on their head.
04-05-2016, 05:34 PM
Reinha

The bots never say anything on Odin's novice chat so I'm not bothered. I don't get why they are there though. Perhaps an overly eager mentor keeps inviting them.

Off topic, but has anyone else noticed how easy it is to join the channel as mentor now that you have to do it manually? There was only 40 mentors the last time I checked.
04-05-2016, 11:27 PM
Canadane

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Originally Posted by RaspberryRipple

You can player search for people with the sprig leaf, and it will bring a list of every new player on the server. So they don't even have to run around. Just go down the list inviting.

Ironically, the same way RMT send people tells...
04-06-2016, 01:10 AM
worldofneil

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Originally Posted by Reinha

There was only 40 mentors the last time I checked.

Yes and I know I sound cynical to suggest this, but I suspect it's just because a lot of people wanted the crown, but don't actually care about the novice network at all.

Personally I don't mind though, means I can get in the NN without issues and there seems to be a lot less "random chat" now.