Totem exchange for Primal EX mounts.

Because I've been farming Ravana non-stop since patch 3.2 came out and I have only seen it drop once.

This is getting a little ridiculous. There is one person on my server that I see farming regularly that has almost 600 Hive totems and he has yet to get the Ravana mount.

So, a suggestion: For the new bird mounts (Bismark, Ravana, Thordan, Sephirot), you can exchange totems for their respective mount. That way, if you're having bad luck with the drop or if you're losing the rolls, you can at least trade in the totems for the mount that you want. I was thinking 99 totems for 1 mount, similar to needing 99 brass spoils for the Pegasus mount. Give us SOMETHING to save up these totems for, because other than glamour, the weapons (besides the Sephirot ones) are useless.

Thoughts?

I do support this idea, even if the number of turn-ins is larger than 99 (for example you need 10 tokens and each is 20 totem worth, that is 200 totems in total), still it won't feel a waste investing time running the extreme primals/eikons because the prize will accumulate in the end. (thumbs up!).

Excellent suggestion.

I think it's fine the way it is. It's more exciting when one does drop because of how rare it is.

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Originally Posted by ChiiSoSeriouz

I think it's fine the way it is. It's more exciting when one does drop because of how rare it is.

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I agree that it is totally exciting when one drops, but it's also incredibly frustrating and irritating after you've spent hours farming for it and you don't win it. Especially when you've seen it more than once and you just get really crappy rng... Meanwhile you have hundreds of totems sitting useless in your retainer's inventory, lol. Either that or they all get tossed.

I'm at 134 runs of Ravana and I've seen two birds; I brought the same idea up to my FC mates and they agreed. I would be all for having the turn in amount be something like 200, because at least that way no one can accuse them of "handing out" birds. I've had people in party say they saw 6 birds in 67 runs, and yet here I am at two after 100+. I get it's supposed to be rare and an achievement, but I feel like for whatever reason Ravana's drop rate is kind of ridiculous. I've yet to try Thordan or Sephirot so I can't really speak on those drops.

Wait like 6 month and they will drop like candy, JUst look how easy is to get a pony. Also to add to the idea, instead of a token system i would like the minimun ilvl fight to have a 1 garantee mount drop.

It's pure RNG, honestly. Rather than farm for hours expecting a drop, break it up. Farm an hour here, an hour there, and make sure to start party finders with strict requirements so that you get several clean, quick clears. When I PF on the weekend I set a high iLevel, set it up for single tank/single heal, and state that we're clearing before Swift Liberation. If we don't, then I disband.

Bismarck requirements are less strict, but you still need a good party for multiple quick clears and again, solo heal if you can manage it.

I'm frustrated because getting a competent Thordan party together on my server is near impossible.

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Originally Posted by DPWolf

I'm at 134 runs of Ravana and I've seen two birds; I brought the same idea up to my FC mates and they agreed. I would be all for having the turn in amount be something like 200, because at least that way no one can accuse them of "handing out" birds. I've had people in party say they saw 6 birds in 67 runs, and yet here I am at two after 100+. I get it's supposed to be rare and an achievement, but I feel like for whatever reason Ravana's drop rate is kind of ridiculous. I've yet to try Thordan or Sephirot so I can't really speak on those drops.

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I feel like that Bismark bird drops like candy. I see multiple farm parties for it every day, while I'm lucky if Ravana (as well as Thordan) have 1 party recruiting every day. I have also tried forming parties myself, but they never fill.

Apparently a couple of nights ago one of my FC mates saw two birds drop in Ravana in 10 runs. I've seen two drop in 70 runs. This makes no sense to me?? RNG sucks so hard.

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Originally Posted by Myrhn

Wait like 6 month and they will drop like candy, JUst look how easy is to get a pony. Also to add to the idea, instead of a token system i would like the minimun ilvl fight to have a 1 garantee mount drop.

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Or, instead of increasing the drop rate, they can implement the totem turn-in system. That way you still have to take the time to get them, but they don't seem so impossible to obtain. Right now all of those totems are either being stored or discarded. Seems like a huge waste of hours of my time.

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Originally Posted by bounddreamer

It's pure RNG, honestly. Rather than farm for hours expecting a drop, break it up. Farm an hour here, an hour there, and make sure to start party finders with strict requirements so that you get several clean, quick clears. When I PF on the weekend I set a high iLevel, set it up for single tank/single heal, and state that we're clearing before Swift Liberation. If we don't, then I disband.

Bismarck requirements are less strict, but you still need a good party for multiple quick clears and again, solo heal if you can manage it.

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I actually farmed Ravana for 5-6 hours last night. Great dps, solo tank/heal. ONE bird dropped. It's difficult to stop after an hour when you want a mount that badly and there's only 1 way to get it. It would be easier to farm for an hour here n there if I knew that I would be getting rewarded for my hours of work in the end. With the system the way it is now,it's impossible to predict when your work is going to pay off.

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I'm frustrated because getting a competent Thordan party together on my server is near impossible.

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also Thordan is just unfortunately one of those really difficult fights to PF and farm, just because the fight is so long and mechanical. :/

Can you imagine having to run that hundreds of times and never being able to get the bird because of crappy RNG? It's difficult enough as it is to get a competent party together...

I could see doing this at a later point in the game but not so soon after the patch just came out.

I know you want it, heck I think we all want at least one of them.

Bumpity bump

Must have this for exchange pls yoshida!

Please. Pretty, pretty please. I'm sitting on 110 Bismarck tokens.

i wish.. i seen about 12 whisles in my 107 bishmach ex.... now you know how annoying the fat that it can take 30+ dutys before even seeing one and loseing it to a person who has only done bishex like half as many times as you...

so cause it drops so rare the chance of it dropping and actually winning roll is super low.... 99 tokens should get that dutys lanner... cause this is stupid like what happens if you never roll lucky? do you have to miss out?

a system on pure rng has to stop like seriously...

also pf farm groups will a pf keep together after running like 50 times so all gets mount?

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Originally Posted by DieRoteFrau

I feel like that Bismark bird drops like candy. I see multiple farm parties for it every day, while I'm lucky if Ravana (as well as Thordan) have 1 party recruiting every day. I have also tried forming parties myself, but they never fill.

Apparently a couple of nights ago one of my FC mates saw two birds drop in Ravana in 10 runs. I've seen two drop in 70 runs. This makes no sense to me?? RNG sucks so hard.

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I'm on 78 Ravana wins and 48 Bismarck and I've seen two Bis birds, no Ravana.

i have decided im gonna keep a stack off 99 of each primal token cause i exspect se to add them mounts to the vender for a full stack and if that dosent happen...

I would be most annoyed... cause this games rng reminds me so much of online gambleing.... would rather this game be fun that effort pays rather than if you dont hit jackpot you lose better luck next time.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie-Amber

i have decided im gonna keep a stack off 99 of each primal token cause i exspect se to add them mounts to the vender for a full stack and if that dosent happen...

I would be most annoyed... cause this games rng reminds me so much of online gambleing.... would rather this game be fun that effort pays rather than if you dont hit jackpot you lose better luck next time.

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Totally agree with this. I feel like my hours of work is not being rewarded and it's extremely frustrating.

My progress so far (I still don't have any mounts :/)

Bismarck Ex - 163 totems - 6 whistles seen
Ravana Ex - 51 totems - 2 whistles seen

My RNG is seriously %^*& up!

I will never* be running these instances ever again once I have the mounts *unless SE make them part of the relic grind...

Anyone else I know farming these has gotten them by their 20-30th run..

I like the totem exchange idea, but 99 is too low for a rare mount I think. Maybe 2 stacks? or we just wait till drop rate is increased.

Update: 21 Ravana cards, all weapons, 201 hive tokens. 8 birds dropped, still don't have it.

http://i.imgur.com/y3klx7Q.png

Give me something to do with these please.

I thought Patch 3.21 already adjusted the drop rates for the mounts or am I wrong?

I like the idea of the exchange, its very casual-friendly, because it helps casual players & hard core to get the mounts over time. Personally I hate farming mounts for hours, while I work my way bit by bit getting my Tank mounts without doing All-Tank farms and stick to original way (currently by running Alexander Gordian/Midas for both Warrior and Darkknight).

When I clear an 8 player fight, I am sure I got 1/200 way to my tank-mount. I would like to see that in the extreme primal fights too.

I might be wrong but i think drop rates for birds improve based on the time of day your farming. I farmed rav and Bismarck in the morning and seen back to back drops, while in the evening I'll be lucky to see one drop. Just a theory, might just be a coincidence.

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Originally Posted by Zenji

I might be wrong but i think drop rates for birds improve based on the time of day your farming. I farmed rav and Bismarck in the morning and seen back to back drops, while in the evening I'll be lucky to see one drop. Just a theory, might just be a coincidence.

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This isn't pokemon where the time of day changes the encounter rate... I'm pretty positive that SE wouldn't add something into the game like.....that, for just a mount, and just because it's morning for you doesn't mean it's morning for everyone else in your party. Remember that people from all over the world play on servers that aren't in their country (Like I'm in the US but I play on an EU server)

Bumpy bump

We clearly need something to spend totems on.
Primals are one of the things I rather enjoy doing, and I would like to see a Primal token shop where they can keep updating what you can buy in it.

Mounts would be the most expensive, but they could add housing items like Primal action figures or 'Ifrits Horn' as a wall mount and Moogle beanbags, Mini Bismarck in a fishtank, Clothing like Shivas Boots, Ramuhs Robe or Beard, Titans ...loincloth?

I think it would be nice^^

I finally saw the very first Ravana bird on my 99th win. I rolled a 43. Enough said.

I agree

its ridiculous..... not to mention frustrating... annoying as hell... all that time and effort... when a new joiner roll is way higher than you...the list is long

Increasing the rates will not change anything

I've been in favor of this for a long time. Make it happen!!

Seriously, please. Someone on a previous page mentioned something like this, but you're not keeping the primal fights relevant, you're pushing people away. As more an more people get the birds less and less run to help us who don't have it yet, and those who ran for hours day after day to get it burn out, they don't ever want to run that primal again. It's just frustrating to anyone who doesn't have rng on their side. Let us turn the totems in and at least it feels like we're progressing towards it, that we know we'll get it. It's the same idea with the weapons, if I knew I had to just farm and farm until I got what I wanted I'd stop trying, like I did with the Ramuh ninja knives. But I got Ravana weapons for nearly every class because I knew I could just run enough to get the totems and eventually I'd get it.

I agree 100%. I run RaviEX for Bird farms and Lore Farms. Solo Tank/Heal we down him so fast we skip phases. It's a 4 min nuke down. Every sat I do this (though some times I never get a full party and the runs called off), doing anywhere from 10 min, to 50 runs. Last week I ran it for FIVE HOURS (giver take a break or two). Capping myself on lores from the run alone. We saw 2 bird drops in that time. (and I rolled an amazing 5 on one and a 42 on the other)

One person that was with us had ran it weekly sense the mounts came out and never saw one drop until our run. Shoot I've never seen any of the other burds and I run them too. (ravi's the easiet to farm)

Let us buy them with tokens. I would LOVE Sephs burd, but pfff if I ever see it drop, let alone find people to run it.

And as the person above said, less and less people are willing to run the EX's. I rarly ever see Pony farms anymore, and starting my own I could be alone for hours. We need a better way for people to get ALL the mounts.