3 Star + 2 Star Crafting Macro for patch 3.2

Hey everyone o/ I've made a video of my 2 star and 3 star crafting macros and just wanted to throw it out there and try to help. I will warn you it requires a ton of cp but If your a cp freak like me you ought to be able to pull it off ;)
Stats Required are Craftsmanship 850, Control 820, CP 470 Basically 3 star minimum
Heres the Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOtL...ature=youtu.be

Please watch the video to get at least a little bit of an understanding of what I've got going on here.

Macro can be found here along with a bunch of colorful comments about it ;)
https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...ensward_32_by/

Let me know what you think and/or if I can improve the macro in anyway

Muscle Memory is probably better for macros than Maker's Mark. It is cheaper, it fits on one line, it gives you a non-variable amount of progress, and you're already missing out on the the primary benefit of Maker's Mark (fishing for good states) anyway.

You only have five durability-consuming actions under Waste Not II. You could save CP by using Master's Mend or Manipulation instead.

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Originally Posted by Kakure

Muscle Memory is probably better for macros than Maker's Mark. It is cheaper, it fits on one line, it gives you a non-variable amount of progress, and you're already missing out on the the primary benefit of Maker's Mark (fishing for good states) anyway.

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Muscle Memory consumes durability, makes subsequent uses of Piece by Piece less effective, and gives less time for Comfort Zone to do work. The early part of this rotation appears to be focused on getting to one synth away from completion using the lowest durability possible (3 steps that consume durability.) The equivalent for MuMe would be that and two PbP leaving 498 progress to go. Ing2+Name+Brand might get there with high enough Craftsmanship (it does for 2 star on the lokyst.net simulator, but I can't test on 3-star right now) but that's a lot of stuff to throw onto the end. Could still be viable, but I'd need to play around with it when I'm not at work.

Edit: I'm not finding something that lets you fit this all in with MuMe. Stacking Innov+GS+SH+BB+Ing2+Name+Brand takes tons of CP and forces you to clip a different SH. The best I can come up with that's within the CP budget is to go back to something like Rath's original version where you use CS2 twice under WN2 then end with CS2 under Ing2, but that gets you one less HT than Chad's macro does and might or might not work for 3 star.

Edit 2: Confirmed on the MM/Manip suggestion. Replacing WN2 with that makes the rotation use 460 CP if you're using Manipulation or 464 CP if you're not. Handy for me since I'm using the i180 MH on a few classes and thus cap out at 468.

470 CP?

That's a bit unnecessary. I don't even have that with seafood stew and I'm fully geared. I'd recommend not macroing big crafts and just use ToT procs and/or whistle efficiently tbh. It will always be more reliable for less resources and that way you can meld extra control instead of a ridiculous amount of CP heh.

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Originally Posted by FoxyAreku

I'd recommend not macroing big crafts and just use ToT procs and/or whistle efficiently tbh.

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A decent macro would be handy for the mat recipes at least. It's easy to stack initial quality onto the final recipes to the point where it's tempting to just not bother with HQ on the 3* mat recipes, but you have less of a safety net if you don't. If a macro gets HQ on the mats let's say 2/3 of the time, that's a pretty good middle ground between "spend loads of time and undivided attention on making all the mats" and "half-ass the mats and NQ everything so it goes faster."

Some lower CP budget options:
Replace WN2 with Master's Mend: 464 CP
Replace WN2 with Manipulation: 460 CP <- Either of these won't actually affect the macro's performance at all.
Drop Innovation while using Manipulation: 442 CP (though if you need to do this to save CP, the "higher progress" version of the finisher would have to go straight to doubling up on CS2. 457 CP still lets you use Standard Synth at the end.)

Edit: One question about the macro that's unrelated to the rotation - What's up with the 4 second pause after using Maker's Mark? Was that running into lag issues and clipping CZ or something?

yes on the maker's mark i did wait 3 and i seemed to sometimes not get that comfort zone in there bc of lag i assume. so if i take out waste not 2 and put in manipulation could you show me kind of where u would fit it in?original is

all the flawless hits
inner quiet
waste not 2
steady hand 2
hasty touchx5

so we should try

all the flawless
manipulation
inner quiet
steady hand 2
hasty x 5 ?

So after edit req will be 460 cp if using innovation and without innovation 442
Edit: Ok very nice! replace waste not 2 with manipulation right before inner quiet and you save 10 cp! Thank you so much for the tip!
so macro 2 will look like this now
flawless
flawless
flawless
manipulation
inner quiet
steady hand 2
hasty x 5 and so on. still ends on the same durability to setup 3rd macro!

470 Cp is a lot but my suggestion will always and forever be to never skimp on CP melds. Focus control or craftsmanship in your melds to make up the difference with food. But if you skimp the cp melds i feel like you're cheating yourself out of an extra action you could throw in there at some point whether it be in a mcro or in ur rotation

If you push to 870 craftmanship and find that last 2 CP (472) you can use http://i.imgur.com/oU0L3Uv.png

OP's macro fits in 11 Hasty Touches, one of which is under Innovation under ideal conditions. That one does 10. It's simpler and has less to react to, but those are the only advantages.

Bigger byregot's combo, shorter craft length and certain progress from the offset. It depends on what they value whether they use it or not.
Even with 1 failed touch, it does 96% with all NQ start.

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Originally Posted by PirateCat

The equivalent for MuMe would be that and two PbP leaving 498 progress to go. Ing2+Name+Brand might get there with high enough Craftsmanship (it does for 2 star on the lokyst.net simulator, but I can't test on 3-star right now) but that's a lot of stuff to throw onto the end.

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I did not try to work out a rotation without the simulator, but I assumed the progress would be more or less the same. I didn't consider how much it diminishes that last Piece by Piece.

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Originally Posted by PirateCat

It's simpler and has less to react to, but those are the only advantages.

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That sounds to me like the primary criteria for a good macro.

I mean, it's fine to automate your rotation because you just don't feel like looking at the screen and pressing buttons (we all do that), but I am not sure that kind of macro is going to be of much benefit to other people.

there are no good MACROs listed here for 3 stars: None of them gaurantee 100% hq. A few of them do offer a shorter rotation which is super convenient (esp if you're an ALC spc). If you want a higher rate of success though you want to make the rotation longer and take advantage of whistle ( its expensive initial cost and is based on RNG, BUT with only one use of satisfaction it makes nymeia's wheel more cp efficient than manipulation, master mend 1&2, wn1, wn2 ....makes it MOST CP EFFICIENT CP FOR DURABILITY SKILL...EVVEERRR).

Now the clear drawbacks from the use of whistle is the RNG and COST and if you dont get a satisfaction ( technically get whistle stacks down to at least x8) you'll have to hit the worst CP/durability in game or just forfeit 36 wasted CP....hence why I said more steps is to your advantage when using whistle. For those that are completely unfamiliar with the use of Whistle to get 1 satisfaction only requires TWO GOOD CONDITIONS.....just 2...... (that's highly probable with any 20+ step rotation).

The problem with Whistling isn't just not reaching a profitable Nymeria's wheel. Its also about fundamental efficiency. RNG created in consuming satisfaction buffs while almost certainly assure you'll need to use one more SHII in your approach. Which is another 25 CP lost. Why whistle at all if you're trying to make up not only a 36 CP whistle but an additional 25 on another SHII?

Likewise with a proper non whistling approach you'll hit HQ... so why lengthen the time and complexity only to achieve the same result?

At this point whistle approaches are nothing more than adding fun. They are most definitely not more efficient. The one hypothetical real use would be if SE put in SUPER hard to HQ recipe book parts again. Where your best normal approach still falls short. In which case you might have more luck shooting for the optimal end of a good whistle. But I strongly doubt they'll put in recipe books that difficult every again. Anyway, the point is the best whistle can indeed drive more quality than your average non whistles top end. But on average whistles are notably less efficient... I tested the heck out of them eons ago and ran all the numbers just to be sure. On the bright side whistling does get slightly better as MaMa crafting rotations get longer (with 3 star crafts and beyond).

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Originally Posted by Katlyna

The problem with Whistling isn't just not reaching a profitable Nymeria's wheel. Its also about fundamental efficiency. RNG created in consuming satisfaction buffs while almost certainly assure you'll need to use one more SHII in your approach. Which is another 25 CP lost. Why whistle at all if you're trying to make up not only a 36 CP whistle but an additional 25 on another SHII?

Likewise with a proper non whistling approach you'll hit HQ... so why lengthen the time and complexity only to achieve the same result?

(with 3 star crafts and beyond).

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lol using one step for satisfaction doesn't result in a EXTRA 25 CP for SH2; one step will cost you 5 cp for the ONE step of SH2 u consumed.... and no you can't optimize sh2 that tightly.....calling BS on that.... And there is no "proper" way to HQ; its still range. (the probability of hitting 9+ HT @ 80% is wayy lower than 80% ....)

:o the macro i use has more safe progress and insert higher potency on HQ touches :3
i can have 4x fails on Flawless Synthesis for 100% progress.
my touches no 10, 11 and Byregot´s Blessing are under Ingenuity.
i only need 461 CP.
i can Reclaim on last macro step when i want, but never use it until now.

and it works for 3 star and 2 star just the ammount of Flawless Synthesis are diffrent for sure and able to do this rotation even with my ALC which only have 721 craftsmanship :3 of course with slightly less safty.

VIDEO

:rolleyes:

Regards Hobbit

PS: this rotaion is not my own creation, i grab it at the forum somewhere cant remember :3 just make small changes to fit my neededs :rolleyes:

Interesting I'll have to check this out Small! I was considering tuning my macro to allow 2 star as well but hadn't looked into it yet. Thanks for the link!