Future summons for Summoner??

I restarted playing FFXIV again and I continue to lvl up my summoner. I am wondering if we will see new summons in 3.0 or in the future.

I want more summoner powers...

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Wouldn't count on it. We'll be coming up soon on a year since YoshiP mentioned the egi glamour system yet still don't have it, so set expectations accordingly.

SPOILER AHEAD

Well, a new egi is possible in the future -

the level 50-60 SMN quests do in fact refer to an egi version of Ramuh and your character is actually instructed early on in the new Job quests by Y'hmitra to evoke him,... but you fail miserably. She then realized why you can't summon him - evoking an egi requires large amounts of aether sourced from the summoner, and at your character's current state (read: class/Job level), you simply don't have enough aether in your body to evoke him.

Thus as a result of this, it's highly likely more egis are planned for much later inclusion to the game, but not for a long time at least (my guess is probably when the level is cap is next raised beyond 60, probably when the currently hypothetical second expansion (4.0) launches.

Exactly when that will be though, your guess is good as mine I'm afraid.

I hope that it becomes a reality. I am looking forward to it because I'm using summoner as my main and desire more power ;)

First, thank you Enkidoh for the reference. Thumbs up for that one. I remember it, just barely.

A new egi would be great, and it does look like we will be getting something. Still, will it be worth it just to have another Titan Egi? Currently there is little need to use something over Garuda for most situations. Ifrit you can get by with and is real fun to use. Some situations you can toggle Ifrit and Garuda.

But that DoT increase is so powerful, it's very hard to give up. I would like to see adjustments made to our current system so we have our new Egi not tossed to the side.

There have been many threads, and like someone mentioned a while ago very good gems of ideas get lost in the countless pages. What would people like the new Egi to do that would make it useful in game situations?

Being a smn from ff11 I would love to have more choices when it comes to my summons. I mostly use titan for solo, garuda for boss fights and ifrit for everything else. I would like to have a choice or two when it comes to my battles. I really miss Fenrir :(

The job quest to summon Ramuh egi (that failed) felt like pouring salt over our wounds. Everyone was hoping for more egis when heavensward was announced but as much as I would like new pets the expansion has been good to us. We got bane back(mostly), a real tri disaster, painflare and ahk mourn /kefka laugh.

Compared to ff11 I do like the job change mostly. In 11 my summons were bad ass but I had a min cd for every att and buff. Without my pet I felt like a ghetto whm spamming cure 3 until I could use another blood pact. In 14 my pets aren't as uber as I would like but I'm far from helpless without them. In 11 we were sort of a jack of all trades while specializing in nothing. We couldn't hold a candle to blms in 11. At least in this game were casters and we have a specific role.

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Originally Posted by Enkidoh

Well, a new egi is possible in the future -

the level 50-60 SMN quests do in fact refer to an egi version of Ramuh and your character is actually instructed early on in the new Job quests by Y'hmitra to evoke him,... but you fail miserably. She then realized why you can't summon him - evoking an egi requires large amounts of aether sourced from the summoner, and at your character's current state (read: class/Job level), you simply don't have enough aether in your body to evoke him.

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I read this whole situation to be more of "any given person only has so much Aetheric capacity, and yours is precisely three egis." Most people can barely manage one. It'll likely be in the next expansion, with Y'hmitra having discovered a means of evoking new egis, but having to replace the old ones in your Aetheric loadout, so to speak. So basically you'd choose between a handful of different "skins" for each of the Egis, cycled through via Y'hmitra or some other NPC as you wish.

That's the way that'd make the most sense to me, both from a balance perspective and lore perspective, as established by the Summoner quest line.

You could have Ramuh/Garuda/Shiva for caster, Leviathan/Ifrit/Ravana for melee, Mog/Titan/Bismarck for tank, for instance. I could see it working, and having them release new SMN sidequests with new Primal releases (or even staggering these skins, since each would be a new model, new animations, new (though identical) skills) to go face off against the Egi and earn the right to summon it. It would create a bunch of variety in Summoners, at least, seeing different Summoners with different Egi preferences.


However, going forward, I also wouldn't be surprised for them to delve deeper into the "Trance" lore established in this expansion, rather than treading the Egi ground all over again.

Alexander Trance pls.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbArvIqZzkI

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Originally Posted by JackFross

I read this whole situation to be more of "any given person only has so much Aetheric capacity, and yours is precisely three egis." Most people can barely manage one. It'll likely be in the next expansion, with Y'hmitra having discovered a means of evoking new egis, but having to replace the old ones in your Aetheric loadout, so to speak. So basically you'd choose between a handful of different "skins" for each of the Egis, cycled through via Y'hmitra or some other NPC as you wish.

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I'm okay with all of this, really.

Though new trances would be, like, so cool -- really hoping for the new egis the most (glamours or not, doesn't matter)

I just want Leviathan-Egi, SE. Pls. (If you make it a tank, I may never forgive you)

Hi ! What about giving Bahamut Trans the option to Evolve Eggis to an other < powerfull Form ? Sort of Buff with short duration and CD, so we could use it evrytime we reach B.Trans.

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Originally Posted by Aerish

Hi ! What about giving Bahamut Trans the option to Evolve Eggis to an other < powerfull Form ? Sort of Buff with short duration and CD, so we could use it evrytime we reach B.Trans.

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They would probably make it end Dread once used so buff up your Pet you barely use outside of one gimmick (Shield/Contagion) or blow it on a 400 Pot AoE attack. Otherwise the Pet will just be auto attacking until thing is dead.

Either way I don't like it since with HW content it's mostly buff the Summoner. Not the Pet in any meaningful way.

I feel like the Job Quest introducing the Trance was misleading since your actual power is much much less, is not available as long and only serves to be one "big" attack...which from my perspective isn't all that impressive at all for 1-2 minutes of build up.

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Originally Posted by JackFross

You could have Ramuh/Garuda/Shiva for caster, Leviathan/Ifrit/Ravana for melee, Mog/Titan/Bismarck for tank, for instance. I could see it working, and having them release new SMN sidequests with new Primal releases (or even staggering these skins, since each would be a new model, new animations, new (though identical) skills) to go face off against the Egi and earn the right to summon it. It would create a bunch of variety in Summoners, at least, seeing different Summoners with different Egi preferences.

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Some existing primals like Ramuh and Sephirot already have an egi version, so those wouldn't need as much work.

@Zohar: You mean the minions they calls during fights ?

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Originally Posted by Zohar_Lahar

Some existing primals like Ramuh and Sephirot already have an egi version, so those wouldn't need as much work.

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If you're referring to the adds they spawn, those are far removed from how the egis are designed. Egis are all balls of colorful aether - they don't really resemble the boss or anything the boss summons at all. Garuda looks like a little green bird - ain't no boobs on her. c:

Basically, those adds wouldn't help in the slightest in the design and modeling of the egi for either.

Garuda-Egi does have super tiny boobs, though. Although, yeah, it looks more like the chest of a bird than anything else, BUT THEY'RE THERE.

Phoenix does have Egis. And they're amazing.

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Originally Posted by JackFross

If you're referring to the adds they spawn, those are far removed from how the egis are designed. Egis are all balls of colorful aether - they don't really resemble the boss or anything the boss summons at all. Garuda looks like a little green bird - ain't no boobs on her. c:

Basically, those adds wouldn't help in the slightest in the design and modeling of the egi for either.

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Actually, titán-egi and the titan adds on the Extreme trial uses the same model with diferent skin. If i am not mistaken, that is.

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Originally Posted by JackFross

Alexander Trance pls.

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Oh God, I want a Summoner mecha so badly right now. I don't care how unfeasible it is.

It would be great if we and a spell that would let us summon all of are egi's at the same time.

Maybe we could use elemental Crystals we farmed/looted to buffs/evolve eggis ?

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Originally Posted by JackFross

If you're referring to the adds they spawn, those are far removed from how the egis are designed. Egis are all balls of colorful aether - they don't really resemble the boss or anything the boss summons at all. Garuda looks like a little green bird - ain't no boobs on her. c:

Basically, those adds wouldn't help in the slightest in the design and modeling of the egi for either.

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They clearly are egi, right down to the animation and sound effect when they are defeated.

While they're at it maybe they should make smn's lb change based on what egi is out, like if Garuda is out we can use Garuda's signature attack or if we have ifrit out hell fire and terra flare can be the default lb

I posted something similar some months ago, sad that "egi glamour" is not a reality yet.
Summoner should be able to summon every (egi) primal we have defeated, the lore excuses for leaving us stuck with Ifrit/Titan/Garuda are both sad, trollish and lazy at this point, SMN feels like a badly merged form of two different job designs (dot and egi+ trance mode).
Having the same role/abilities we have now but with different egi skins would be a huge step forward, game balance wouldn't change and at least the job would fill better its fantasy.

Something like:
Caster Pet: Emerald Carby - Garuda Egi - King Moogle Mog Egi -Ramuh Egi - Enkidu Egi- Phoenix Egi- Bahamuth Egi - Warring Triad#3

Tank Pet: Topaz Carby - Titan Egi - Shiva Egi- Bismarck Egi - Alexander Egi - Sephirot Egi

Melee Pet: Ruby Carby - Ifrit Egi - Odin Egi -Leviathan Egi - Ravana Egi - Thordan Egi - Warring Triad#2

Game balance would not change but the entire concet of "SMN" would feel much better, it would also spark somekind of "Gotta catch 'em all" mentality with SMNs encouraged to defeat optional primals to obtain new summons.
Another nice touch would be making the egi to revert to its original (mini) primal form for 1-2 seconds when using Enkindle for its signature attack, making it a nice callback to oldschool "one-hit-move" summon magic.
However, my hopes for any of this aren't too high at the moment, sadly.

Yeah I want more pets too.