The SSS dummy should explode and kill the player if they fail to defeat it in time.

Just to simulate a hard enrage.

Let's take a look at Bismark's SSS trial:

https://images-2.discordapp.net/eyJ1...5etBl3P_H0.png

Clearly it(and pretty much all of the rest) says that you challenging this enemy will either prove that you're a great warrior or a great fool. You simply defeating the dummy (implicity) shows that you are a great warrior! But when you fail....the dummy just...disappears. How is that showing the player that they are a great fool?


"B-but my repair co-

Who doesn't have money to repair their own gear, and why wasn't it repaired beforehand?

What....is the point of killing the player in a training practice? Time ran out, "Duty Failed" is all you need to know you didn't good enough. The point of the exercise is to test your rotations and DPS output to quickly burn down the target before time runs out. If you are going to simulate enrage attacks, you might as well just replace the dummy with a hologram of the actual boss and make it a solo fight.

It shouldn't explode on failure since it explodes when you defeat it, but there's so many other options like being struck down with lightning or having the platform burst into flames!

But that's a little excessive and might distract the other people in the area. Maybe just throw in a /disappointed along with the Duty Failed instead.
No, but really, SSS is fine as it is. Throwing in an untimely death at the hands of a dummy might be too discouraging and embarrassing.

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Originally Posted by Phireblast

Just to simulate a hard enrage.

Let's take a look at Bismark's SSS trial:

https://images-2.discordapp.net/eyJ1...5etBl3P_H0.png

Clearly it(and pretty much all of the rest) says that you challenging this enemy will either prove that you're a great warrior or a great fool. You simply defeating the dummy (implicity) shows that you are a great warrior! But when you fail....the dummy just...disappears. How is that showing the player that they are a great fool?


"B-but my repair co-

Who doesn't have money to repair their own gear, and why wasn't it repaired beforehand?

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Masochist...

In my opinion, SSS does nothing to show if you will actually beat said boss, or even if you'll make an enrage. So it blowing up isn't necessary, watching it fade away with whatever percentage it had left should be enough.

It's just you, burning a dummy down, that's it. No mechanics, no adds, no AoEs, no falling off platforms. I agree it can be used to hone your rotation, but any indication that you will pass or fail said instance is just not there. All this is, is a better version of the training dummy you may have at your home or FC house...

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Originally Posted by Esp

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The DPS dummy is tuned with the lack of mechanics in mind, and then some (the numbers have all been worked out on Reddit). It's very strict DPS wise, far more than the actual fight would be. It's a good indicator of telling you that you have the skill to clear a fight DPS wise, obviously it doesn't tell you if you'll be able to perform the mechanics, but it's far better than going in completely blind. It'll definitely tell you if you'll be able to pass the enrage unless you panic performing mechanics and mess up your rotation (which I'll admit, I do have a problem with the first few times practice runs of a mechanic).

I imagine it would be incredibly useful for console players too, as they can now figure out their DPS (and it's more accurate than ACT with its guesswork done with DoT damage).

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Originally Posted by Esp

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It's there to tell you that you have the potential dps to beat it. It's up to you as a player to adjust yourself during the fight in order to carry it out. They can't hand hold you completely so they put this here so it tells people they have the DPS now try and apply it during a fight.

Nah not an explosion, might as well go to the real thing for that.. If I had to put in something, it would be your character leaning against the dummy, exhausted, perhaps with a dialog box with some stats a la the bonus screnlen in diadem. With how many times certain dots wore off or how many combos were broken, stuff to help point out where to refine your technique. which would get skipped if you just decided to leave before the timer ended.

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Originally Posted by Colorful

It's a good indicator of telling you that you have the skill to clear a fight DPS wise.

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This really bothers me. I'm by no means some grandiose player, but I'm pretty confident in my abilities with my class.

Yes, with the proper gear, it's a good indicator. I can barely clear the Seph Ex dummy, food or not, and I don't have BiS for my class.

The dummy takes more than "skill" and rotation into account. You aren't going to be downing Seph in full ilvl 180-190, no matter how good you think you are as a DPS, lol.

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Originally Posted by Laerad3993

This really bothers me. I'm by no means some grandiose player, but I'm pretty confident in my abilities with my class.

Yes, with the proper gear, it's a good indicator. I can barely clear the Seph Ex dummy, food or not, and I don't have BiS for my class.

The dummy takes more than "skill" and rotation into account. You aren't going to be downing Seph in full ilvl 180-190, no matter how good you think you are as a DPS, lol.

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Irrelevant. You can't even enter the fight at those levels. You need 205.

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Originally Posted by UBERHAXED

Irrelevant. You can't even enter the fight at those levels. You need 205.

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It isn't irrelevant. They are talking about the dummy and its indication of good or bad dps. Furthermore it is ridiculous to even say that only skill/rotation should matter, because it doesn't.

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Originally Posted by Laerad3993

It isn't irrelevant. They are talking about the dummy and it's indication of good or bad dps. Furthermore it is ridiculous to even say that only skill/rotation should matter, because it doesn't.

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I was obviously implying that they don't intend for you to challenge it before 205, so mentioning that you can't complete it with less gear is irrelevant.

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Originally Posted by UBERHAXED

I was obviously implying that they don't intend for you to challenge it before 205, so mentioning that you can't complete it with less gear is irrelevant.

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While his example may have been extreme, we cannot say that gear is entirely irrelevant regarding SSS. An i205 DRG will dps higher than an i215 DRG with the same rotation, for example.

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Originally Posted by Dualgunner

While his example may have been extreme, we cannot say that gear is entirely irrelevant regarding SSS. An i205 DRG will dps higher than an i215 DRG with the same rotation, for example.

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Let's not make arguments based off of rng damage. At 205 you have enough dps to clear the dummy without getting lucky if you play properly. Not seeing how comparing how a person 10 ilvls lower can do more damage because either he is lucky (doesn't matter, pretty sure you can clear it with a 0% crit rate) or the higher lvl player sucks ( why are you considering bad players in an argument about dps).

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Originally Posted by UBERHAXED

Let's not make arguments based off of rng damage. At 205 you have enough dps to clear the dummy without getting lucky if you play properly. Not seeing how comparing how a person 10 ilvls lower can do more damage because either he is lucky (doesn't matter, pretty sure you can clear it with a 0% crit rate) or the higher lvl player sucks ( why are you considering bad players in an argument about dps).

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I am not making an argument based off of RNG damage. My argument is thus:

Final Fantasy XIV is a game that works based off of vertical progression of gear; I define this term as "the player character becomes stronger by attaining better gear to wear, which rather than having different stats to previously attained gear, merely has higher stats."

The measurement of one's vertical progression is determined by their item level.

In my example I compare an i205 Dragoon's damage to an i215 Dragoon's damage, and for the sake of argument assuming that they retain the exact same rotation and thus have the same skill level, I conclude given the premises stated that the i215 Dragoon would hit a dummy for a higher amount of damage than an i205 Dragoon.

Given that conclusion, the gear would not be irrelevant in regards to whether or not one can defeat a striking dummy within a 3 minute parse.

EDIT: I now see where that confusion came from; I meant an i215 dragoon would do more damage than an i205 dragoon. My apologies.

Better suggestion.

When you kill the dummy, the timer should stop. That way you can see the exact second you finished on.

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Originally Posted by LunarEmerald

Better suggestion.

When you kill the dummy, the timer should stop. That way you can see the exact second you finished on.

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100% this.

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Originally Posted by LunarEmerald

Better suggestion.

When you kill the dummy, the timer should stop. That way you can see the exact second you finished on.

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One step further, the game could track your clear records with the dummies, including times (maybe the top 3? 5?)

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Originally Posted by Phireblast

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Clearly it(and pretty much all of the rest) says that you challenging this enemy will either prove that you're a great warrior or a great fool. You simply defeating the dummy (implicity) shows that you are a great warrior! But when you fail....the dummy just...disappears. How is that showing the player that they are a great fool?
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Actually you should have to pay for repairing the dummy when you clear... ^^;

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Originally Posted by Phireblast

Just to simulate a hard enrage.

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You don't need to die to know that time is up. lol

I'm sure the respawning process would be annoying for people with poor load times too.

I have an idea: If the player fail the training, a lot of elitist NPCs will show up and laugh at the player.

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Originally Posted by Ninster

One step further, the game could track your clear records with the dummies, including times (maybe the top 3? 5?)

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Or at least give us something ala diadem that shows us the time and damage done and such stats.

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Originally Posted by Evangela

I have an idea: If the player fail the training, a lot of elitist NPCs will show up and laugh at the player.

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Great idea!!
moreover, can put the player to beginner status for some hours as there is a lot of mentors need beginners... ^^;

yeah sure.... exploding Dummy lol.... sure...
Thats a good plan if SE dont want our money for subs!