3* progress values

Here's the values I jotted down earlier from my 3* synth. You can do the math to figure out your progress with your Craftsmanship.

854 Craftsmanship
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No ING2
Basic Synthesis - 99
Careful Synthesis II - 119
Standard Synthesis - 149
Rapid Synthesis - 248

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With ING2
Basic Synthesis - 151
Careful Synthesis II - 182
Standard Synthesis - 227
Rapid Synthesis - 379

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Piece by Piece - 544
Piece by Piece (2nd one) - 365
Makers Mark grants a 17 stack.

Good luck figuring out your rotations.

thanks!
Seems 2 pbp + 10FS + 3CS 2 will net you enough progress even with minimum craftsmanship (544+365+400+118? x3= 1663)

rath"s 2star rotation still kicking ass in 3 star recipes

During the FS phase, 4 steps spent on CZ ST 2x pbp, need to success 10 (3 are covered by ST) out of the remaining 13 FS attempts and one extra CS2 can lower this to 7 FS , ToT is still very affordable

Thanks for the info dump (My Craftsmanship is pretty much the same). Haven't had a chance to craft anything yet but it looks like there will only be a small change to my rotation and 4 failed FS will still be doable. Not only that, but the extra FS steps leave room for more chances at a Good too.

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Originally Posted by AishaNymph

thanks!
Seems 2 pbp + 10FS + 3CS 2 will net you enough progress even with minimum craftsmanship (544+365+400+118? x3= 1663)

rath"s 2star rotation still kicking ass in 3 star recipes

During the FS phase, 4 steps spent on CZ ST 2x pbp, need to success 10 (3 are covered by ST) out of the remaining 13 FS attempts and one extra CS2 can lower this to 7 FS , ToT is still very affordable

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Rath's original rotation would work consistently only at high levels of Craftsmanship when it comes to 3*, otherwise you would have to sacrifice a potential IQ stack for an additional CS2 as you mentioned. Not as good in terms of Quality but still very effective.

Edit: Nevermind, forgot 850 Craftsmanship requirement for 3*

I've made a few HQ rings with GSM. The final synth is pretty easy since it's easy to get all hq mats at that point. You end up with like 5000+ starting quality. Hard to nq at that point.

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Originally Posted by blueruckus

I've made a few HQ rings with GSM. The final synth is pretty easy since it's easy to get all hq mats at that point. You end up with like 5000+ starting quality. Hard to nq at that point.

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Can you please share the rotation you used? I'm on similar craftsmanship as you are so your rotation would work for me.
Edit: Derp couldve read the whole thread.

I suspect my rotation is going to work with higher craftsmanship and Ingenuity II. But I won't be able to validate until I can get some more recipes and hunt down some parts. Think I'll be pushing 880ish craftmanship with food.

891 craftsmanship gives 124 progress for a CS2
I did over 40 3stars crafting yesterday
Rath's rotation really worked well, only one time I have failed/ToT more than 4 FS and need an extra CS2 to complete the craft
Also, if you succeed all 13 FS, your craft will be completed earlier by 2 more CS2

Here's what I do.

Makers mark>whistle>comfort zone>flawless til out of mark>inner quiet>steady hand II>Ingenuity 2>rapid synth til 1 or 2 hits away from finishing>hasty touch spam>Master's Mend II when 10 durability>hasty touch spam>Nymeia's wheel when at 10 durability>great strides>innovation>byregots>finish with careful II

Obviously refresh comfort zone as it falls off (unless you're about to finish) and adjust for goods, using tricks of the trade/ precise touches/satisfaction when you can. Just watch your CP and you can decide whether to use tricks or precise at the given time.


I still see PbP as a waste of a cross class slot but I guess you could use that if you wanted if you just hate ingenuity.

Still using my rotation (with Ingenuity II) and it is working well.

889 Craftsmanship
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With ING2
Careful Synthesis II - 190

Once u hit 850craft 820control . It's exactly the same 2 stars rotation.

I've been grinding the numbers and running various tests and the conclusion I'm coming to is something I suspected would happen when three star released. As the item difficulty goes up Ingenuity (1 and 2) become less valuable and effective. And as the progress required goes up, Piece by piece becomes more valuable. I believe this is the the break point where my MaMa+Careful Synth rotation falls behind a MaMa+PbP rotation. I've tested both out and fundamentally as people highlighted in this thread MaMa+PbP goes exceptionally far without requiring more craftmanship. I'll be posting the variation I'm using sometime tomorrow. Looks like if you have max CP (I imagine if you're doing 3 star you're pretty darn close) you can easily fit in two 18 point precise or one precise and Innovate. You nip this in simply by flipping the last SHII to SHI. Outside of that I don't think there are any other changes to be made. Though I do prefer doing the careful synths immediately after WNII.

I'll see about recording a video this week showing this method on some three star items. Though I'm fairly certain no one in this thread actually needs to see said content lol.

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Originally Posted by Katlyna

I'll see about recording a video this week showing this method on some three star items. Though I'm fairly certain no one in this thread actually needs to see said content lol.

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I came here hoping I didnt need to stop using your rotation :) So if you can modify your rotation for the new content and post it up by tomorrow I'd be set again.

Your rotation has always won out for me against raths which is always being so highly praised. Simply because it's always been solid.

Please keep up the good work, believe it or not at least half the 2star crafters on my server use a variation of your rotation instead of raths.

Haha thanks for the support Link! You certainly can still use a variation of my rotation still (and I'll probably show a video of both) But statistically speaking MaMa+PbP is going to measurably win out due to how scaling works out. Which I really hate because I know my rotation crazy well and at 2 star it has certain benefits over Raths. Most notable being you could push an amazing amount of quality with the minimum stats. And with the secondary bonus of scaling really nicely as your craftsmanship went up. Unfortunately these aren't true any more so my rotation isn't scaling so hot. Still drives quality really well, but the progress is getting sticky.