HW fate areas are too small..(Level sync gripes)

So after grinding out my last Awakened weapon I figure I really have to ask...

Please make the Heavensward fate areas bigger! Or at least stop putting the enemy spawns outside the damn circle.

You lose level sync all the damn time because they spawn outside the area and people who are levelling zerg them there, this was rarely an issue in the older (better designed) areas of ARR.

Also, pretty please, make Kiss of the Viper / Wasp / Darkside / Grit carry over when you sync, you did it for WAR so show us some more love?

AGREE!!

Level syncing and losing it on SCH and AST, with Aetherflow stacks, saved cards!?! Seriously annoying ><

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Originally Posted by pikster

So after grinding out my last Awakened weapon I figure I really have to ask...

Please make the Heavensward fate areas bigger! Or at least stop putting the enemy spawns outside the damn circle.

You lose level sync all the damn time because they spawn outside the area and people who are levelling zerg them there, this was rarely an issue in the older (better designed) areas of ARR.

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I can't hit like on this enough Like +100000000000

Sometimes you cannot even get credit on certain FATEs if you are synced and there are people leveling there. The non-synced players can go fight the FATE mobs outside the sync area and you can't even reach them.

It's irksome to have protect wear off every time you level sync. Why is this a thing. I could understand lvl 60 buffs but low level buffs should still stay on. There's 0 need of that.

Greetings,

The range of individual FATEs are set so that there isn't much of a difference between others; however, depending on the location, and due to a variety of factors, elements such as the monster's spawn area may be somewhat different.

We'll check to see if we can adjust the ones we have received feedback on, so please continue to post your feedback with the name of the area, FATE, and the specifics from the FATE you would like to see adjusted.

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Originally Posted by Zhexos

Greetings,

The range of individual FATEs are set so that there isn't much of a difference between others; however, depending on the location, and due to a variety of factors, elements such as the monster's spawn area may be somewhat different.

We'll check to see if we can adjust the ones we have received feedback on, so please continue to post your feedback with the name of the area, FATE, and the specifics from the FATE you would like to see adjusted.

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Another thing I've noticed even in ARR fates is that sometimes enemies spawn so far away from their own radius that if you attack them as soon as they spawn they'll immeditly become invincible while they run to their retreat-to point. I've seen this happen often in the "Overlooking The Obvious" fate in Outer La Noscea.

The ones I know off the top of my head are "Talk Tulihand" in Churning Mists and the immediate followup, Vouivre something. There are several in Churning Mists actually where the mobs appear outside of the FATE radius. This isn't a Level Sync problem. Like OP said it's a "The mobs spawn outside of the radius" problem. Level Sync would function normally if they didn't.

Related to Sicno's post, there's a FATE in The Sea of Clouds with the giant and baby birds, Anzu or something, it's a Lv50 one, where sometimes when you attack the big bird, it either does what Sicno says or it immediately vanishes and reappears in the middle of the FATE radius, but is still aggroed to you and may just reset again if you don't chase after it. I chalked that one up to lag at first but I found that I can replicate it with ease.

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Originally Posted by Rhindas

Vouivre something.

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Voivere Beverie (I think)

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Anzu or something,

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Anzu Trois

The Ice elemental fate in Coerthas Central Highlands is really bad for this. While trying to gather Luminous Ice Crystals I always kept getting unsynced because they'd spawn just out of range. The lower level folks who don't get sync'd would rush up and start killing them so they'd remain out of reach and I couldnt attack them except for using throwing dagger on them from a distance.

Would be nice if the level sync just stayed permanent until the player cancelled it themselves.

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Originally Posted by Morningstar1337

Voivere Beverie (I think)



Anzu Trois

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Thank you and thank you. :p

when was farming ffor anima crystals noticed any1 who didnt need to level sync could stray out of the area n kill fate mobs while level synced 1s had to stay inside.. its silly really cause they kill mobs at the spawn outside the area = =

Ya.. I hate doing this on my Monk and losing my stacks -.-

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Originally Posted by Morzy

Ya.. I hate doing this on my Monk and losing my stacks -.-

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Yep. Pretty much any class that has buffs or stances. (So basically everything) I know it irks me something fierce having to recast my Poisons and Huton on Ninja everytime I stray a hair out of the FATE line.

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Originally Posted by Miste

I can't hit like on this enough Like +100000000000

Sometimes you cannot even get credit on certain FATEs if you are synced and there are people leveling there. The non-synced players can go fight the FATE mobs outside the sync area and you can't even reach them.

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This is why we need a "join FATE" button. It's not fair that while on level you can jump in and join the conflict, and if you have to sync you might even lose any chance of credit. It would also help aliviate the annoyance of having to hear and read everything about a FATE whilst gathering or doing something else entirely. Add a button to join, no matter if synced or on level, and automaticly sync to the FATE for everyone, about time now.

Also, Coerthas Central "The eyes have it" with Cyclops superstar: the Fate area is far too small. Again, the pain to sync back and forth and the aoe of the main boss' makes you leave the area every time.

It seems to me that there are two possible solutions SE should examine. Either maintain level sync until turned off by the player (or the FATE ends), regardless of whether they leave the FATE designated radius, or increase the designated radius to ensure that all FATE monster spawn points lie within it. The first solution is probably the better one, but the second would be servicable and might be easier to implement.

It shouldn't be up to the players to inform SE which FATEs are a problem in this regard. ALL FATEs that involve monsters spawning outside the FATE radius are problematic. (And even when they don't, it's still irritating when you wander outside the border by accident; that problem applies pretty much to ALL FATEs that require a level sync.)

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Another thing I've noticed even in ARR fates is that sometimes enemies spawn so far away from their own radius that if you attack them as soon as they spawn they'll immeditly become invincible while they run to their retreat-to point.

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Ugh, noticed this too, always makes me groan every time.

FATE mobs should never pop outside of the blue circle. This is really the only thing that needs fixing, rather than messing with level sync and how it works (the whole "leave sync on until disabled by the player" suggestion is just asking for trouble and complaints)

Whether this means moving the spawns or making the FATE circle bigger (the latter is probably simpler to do from a design standpoint) doesn't much matter to me.

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Originally Posted by Zhexos

Greetings,

The range of individual FATEs are set so that there isn't much of a difference between others; however, depending on the location, and due to a variety of factors, elements such as the monster's spawn area may be somewhat different.

We'll check to see if we can adjust the ones we have received feedback on, so please continue to post your feedback with the name of the area, FATE, and the specifics from the FATE you would like to see adjusted.

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The problem is with FATE-monsters spawning outside of the FATE area, rather than within it.

These mobs can be engaged where they spawn (outside the FATE circle) by:

a) players who don't have to level sync because they are within the FATE's level range

b) players using ranged-based characters who are attacking from a distance within the FATE circle

..but *not*..

c) players using melee-based characters who can not leave the FATE circle without losing the level-sync.

That's an issue that needs fixing.

THIS THREAD, WHERE HAVE YOU BEEEN?

Seriously though, I was about to rage about this here. It's nonsensical. You're lvl 58 and can kill the Tulihands where they spawn outside the FATE ring, but I'm lvl 59 (example only: yes, I know I'm lvl 60) and I'm stuck. Monk is literally the WORST class for this: your only "ranged" attacks are gap-closers that remove the sync before impact.

On the topic of buffs: PLEASE take another look at how buffs are removed going into a FATE. It's one thing to go into a level 10 FATE and have Fists of Fire/tank stance/etc. fall off. That's fine. But Heavensward FATEs? Why is something like Protect or Stoneskin necessary to reapply every FATE even though they're all lvl 50+?

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Originally Posted by Fynlar

Ugh, noticed this too, always makes me groan every time.

FATE mobs should never pop outside of the blue circle. This is really the only thing that needs fixing, rather than messing with level sync and how it works (the whole "leave sync on until disabled by the player" suggestion is just asking for trouble and complaints)

Whether this means moving the spawns or making the FATE circle bigger (the latter is probably simpler to do from a design standpoint) doesn't much matter to me.

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In the case of the enemies becoming invincible right away it's not because of the fate area, but because the enemies spawn outside of their own "comfort zone". The ones every enemy on open fields have, not tied to the fate.

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Originally Posted by Sicno

In the case of the enemies becoming invincible right away it's not because of the fate area, but because the enemies spawn outside of their own "comfort zone". The ones every enemy on open fields have, not tied to the fate.

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I hope I don't completely derail the thread with this, but I thought of an idea related to hunts and "early pulls": why not spawn hunt mobs like this, with a heavy debuff. That way when it finally "resets" and the heavy falls off, it's fair game.

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Originally Posted by Zhexos

... so please continue to post your feedback with the name of the area, FATE, and the specifics from the FATE you would like to see adjusted.

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Frankly, that's SE's job, Zhexos. The original post is the feedback. This potentially affects all or most fates, and you all are the ones with the data about fate size, enemy spawn locations etc.

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Originally Posted by Zhexos

Greetings,

The range of individual FATEs are set so that there isn't much of a difference between others; however, depending on the location, and due to a variety of factors, elements such as the monster's spawn area may be somewhat different.

We'll check to see if we can adjust the ones we have received feedback on, so please continue to post your feedback with the name of the area, FATE, and the specifics from the FATE you would like to see adjusted.

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Here's a list of FATEs that I personally have encountered this and other problems with. In almost every instance, the monsters spawn outside of the FATE area.

Coerthas Western Highlands:
Run, Riders, Run
Land of the Freeze
Dawn of the Mylodons
Polar Express
True Convictions
Unsilent Vigil
Sick Pack
Requiem for a Dragon
Pico de Gallows -- a boss FATE yes, but between the size of the boss and the nearby rams it's easy to not have a sense of space and reset the boss by accident.

Sea of Clouds:
Anzu Trois -- not a level sync issue, but mob spawning is very awkward; mobs reset from where they are spawned and in one case, the mob spawns so far away that it "teleports" to position when attacked
Bismarcking Time > Let There Be Acolytes > A Disturbing Lack of Faith -- In this chain the HP for all monsters is set extremely high without scaling, which seems very odd

Dravanian Forelands:
Bear Apparent
Special Tarasque Force -- Tarasque's AoE attack tends to force players outside of the FATE area, either through actual impact or through players attempting to avoid it

The Churning Mists:
How to Cane Your Dragon
Sprite Club
Vouivre Believre
Wave Good-bye
Say it Tulihand
Supper Time

Azys Lla:
Out of Sight, Out of Mind -- nothing particularly "wrong" per se, but does anyone know why this spawns with only a 5 minute timer? It's definitely an oddity among FATEs.

I hope this helps, Zhexos, and if anyone else wants to add to this list or remove it would be appreciated. This is a more consolidated start, at least.

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Originally Posted by Vespar

Yep. Pretty much any class that has buffs or stances. (So basically everything) I know it irks me something fierce having to recast my Poisons and Huton on Ninja everytime I stray a hair out of the FATE line.

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Yeah. It's really depressing because one thing I love about monk is their speed, every other melee centric job I've played felt slow. And when you lose that speed like that, it sucks lol.

I just wish they'd make it so you lose any buffs that would be learned above the level that you sync to.

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Originally Posted by Ninster

Bismarcking Time > Let There Be Acolytes > A Disturbing Lack of Faith -- In this chain the HP for all monsters is set extremely high without scaling, which seems very odd.

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THIS ONE! I spent several hours yesterday trying to farm cyrstals and while I could beat Bismarking Time with just myself and my Chocobo, its second and third Fate are nearly IMPOSSIBLE. We managed to get through "Let There Be Acolytes" with BRD + WHM and two chocobos set to attackers, but just barely. We started "A Disturbing Lack of Faith" from the moment it spawned with two of us + our chocobos chipping away at it for the full 15 min duration and it was not enough. We didnt even come close to beating it. We had about 40-50% HP remaining for the second monster.

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In the case of the enemies becoming invincible right away it's not because of the fate area, but because the enemies spawn outside of their own "comfort zone". The ones every enemy on open fields have, not tied to the fate.

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I know that. It's still bollocks.

Another thing that's bollocks is when you drag a FATE enemy to somewhere that's still inside the FATE circle, and it ends up deaggroing and healing itself. If you never leave the FATE circle, the mob should still stay on you, period.

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Originally Posted by Fynlar

I know that. It's still bollocks.

Another thing that's bollocks is when you drag a FATE enemy to somewhere that's still inside the FATE circle, and it ends up deaggroing and healing itself. If you never leave the FATE circle, the mob should still stay on you, period.

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Completely agree. It's almost like monster spawn areas were made at a completely different time of development than when the FATE areas were placed.

Hi Ninster,

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Originally Posted by Ninster

Here's a list of FATEs that I personally have encountered this and other problems with. In almost every instance, the monsters spawn outside of the FATE area.

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Thank you very much for compiling this list! This is very helpful! :)
I'll be sure to relay your list, as well as other suggestions made in this thread, over to the dev. team.

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Originally Posted by Vespar

The Ice elemental fate in Coerthas Central Highlands is really bad for this. While trying to gather Luminous Ice Crystals I always kept getting unsynced because they'd spawn just out of range. The lower level folks who don't get sync'd would rush up and start killing them so they'd remain out of reach and I couldnt attack them except for using throwing dagger on them from a distance.

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This one, I was on monk at the time and unable to hit a single target. :/

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Originally Posted by Zhexos

Hi Ninster,



Thank you very much for compiling this list! This is very helpful! :)
I'll be sure to relay your list, as well as other suggestions made in this thread, over to the dev. team.

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Please don't oversee the old world :/

Instead of 1 radius size for all FATEs, why not just different radius sizes depending on the area the FATE enemies spawn?

This will then also help with FATEs, where the enemies spawn inside the circle, but where the circle is still too small during the battle because of big AoEs (like the Cyclope FATE at Whitebrim)

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Originally Posted by Ninster

Azys Lla:
Out of Sight, Out of Mind -- nothing particularly "wrong" per se, but does anyone know why this spawns with only a 5 minute timer? It's definitely an oddity among FATEs.

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Everything about this FATE is interesting. The reason it has only a 5 minute timer is because Stheno has dramatically less HP than other FATE bosses, I think about 1/3 the normal HP. However, she also deals about 3x damage of normal FATE bosses in contrast. Yet there's nothing special about the rewards for this FATE. I like it for being different, but 5 minutes is a little silly.

Levelling DRG, I spineshatter dived to a fate mob, out of the fate. BFB, IR and release all fell off and I landed and dealt no damage as was now unsynced. GG

I farmed my crystals the other day... And it was a pain in the areas where I had to sync. There was another guy who also had to sync, and we'd just stand on the edge of the fate looking at the others who camped the mobs' spawn point. I couldn't even cast my ranged actions. Sigh..