AS4 downed within 4 days in china

so there is this chinese group which has beaten AS4 only 4 days after release. Judging from that, it is clear that AS4 is too easy and that SE should stop making raids too easy right ? :rolleyes:


(ok enough with the "coil is too easy stop catering to scrubs" bait)


Gratz to these guys, it's really impressive to see what is possible in FFxiv in terms of super high skill level.


(In all seriousness, I hope noone will repeat the FCOB nonsensical rant about lack of difficulty which resulted in the alexander savage crap >_> )



EDIT : THIS IS NOT A THREAD ABOUT HOW QUICK AS4 WAS DOWNED IN CHINA

The team which did it has been clearing AS4 on JP servers since november. This is just a thread informing that AS4 has been down with an ilevel that was deemed mostly impossible by most (if not all) of us.


also, you can see their gear here : http://tieba.baidu.com/p/4307421716

Impressive. But they may have JP accounts and experienced the fight before. Also they had acess to all strategies documented in NA/EU/JP communities beforehand. They are really skilled, sure, to clear A4S with that gear, but nothing out of this world IMO. Congratz to them.

I just want the cheongsam dress from China.

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Originally Posted by Eothas

Impressive. But they may have JP accounts and experienced the fight before. Also they had acess to all strategies documented in NA/EU/JP communities beforehand. They are really skilled, sure, to clear A4S with that gear, but nothing out of this world IMO. Congratz to them.

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They do. They were on Aegis since 2.4 and downed AS4 around November. They had around 3 month to practice the strat and come up with the optimal party composition.

They needed 4 tries only to beat the enrage, pretty impressive.

The whole run and team set up is absolutely beautiful. The most impressive clear I've seen. Just faultless. Good for them it's good to see such a fantastic team. They made the run look effortless!!

This video just shows that they are in another league. Beyond pro level

Definitely impressive from a numbers standpoint, yet clearly also shows the power of hindsight and previous experience in said content as well.

That's... actually really impressive, props to them. Didn't Lucrezia or some other group do something similar with Twintania in i70?

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Originally Posted by DragonSlayer45

That's... actually really impressive, props to them. Didn't Lucrezia or some other group do something similar with Twintania in i70?

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i50 with i70 weapons yeah (quest AF gear + crafted i50 or lower accessories to have the acc cap + i70 weapons to actually hurt the boss enough)

Regardless of them having the videos and the clear in you tube doesn't mean they had the upper hand. If that was the case everyone would of cleared AS4 in no time.

The dps is INSANE for such ilvl level. Specially for that MCH.. this video is just a living proof that's there's people out there with tremendous skills. And the Chinese proved the point once again.

This is not just your average AS4 clear, this is THE clear.

The Chinese and Japanese have very much a work oriented style of culture where they always work at their best and if they lack performance they will go out and make sure they either practice or get better, this is why Korean teams in Starcraft 2 Tournaments are the best because of their culture on self improvement. It is like a law to these cultures that one improves that faults. So comparing western world to the Chinese or Japanese is stupid, because of their culture on being efficient and always seeking self improvement is much much greater then ours, we are more laid back with our self improvement we always get to a certain point and stay there, they on the other hand always seek improvement even when they are on top form.

So no surprise if they have tons of practice to go on do it so well with what they had.

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Originally Posted by Mature

Regardless of them having the videos and the clear in you tube doesn't mean they had the upper hand. If that was the case everyone would of cleared AS4 in no time.

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These players have been clearing Savage since November on JP servers, so this is basically months of practice coming into fruition. It's not as if they just went in Savage first time ever, watched a few vids, then knocked it out in 4 days. That's why I mentioned the power of hindsight and previous experience being a factor.

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This is not just your average AS4 clear, this is THE clear.

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No, the clear would be the one that was World First, followed by Lucrezia's (largely on account of providing a comparatively easier way for others to clear). You can't compare a team that's been clearing for months already to that of those who were doing it during early progression.

Really impressive, most of the DF and PF ppl ive seen cant even do those numbers with 210.

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Originally Posted by FeliAiko

These players have been clearing Savage since November on JP servers, so this is basically months of practice coming into fruition. It's not as if they just went in Savage first time ever, watched a few vids, then knocked it out in 4 days. That's why I mentioned the power of hindsight and previous experience being a factor.

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I mean, I haven't cleared A4S so it's not like I can say too much.. But the fact they've already been clearing for a while does diminish "down within 4 days" accomplishment.

Hmm, if that is true and they done this before on the JP servers, I can't consider it impressed cause they already got the situation down beforehand. I mean it took weeks in JP/NA servers, but days in China? That sounds weird. Well it will impressed ppl for those who didn't know that they already done it before. That's my take.

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Originally Posted by Osmond

Hmm, if that is true and they done this before on the JP servers, I can't consider it impressed cause they already got the situation down beforehand. I mean it took weeks in JP/NA servers, but days in China? That sounds weird. Well it will impressed ppl for those who didn't know that they already done it before. That's my take.

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what's truly impressive in the 4 days time frame is that they basically had no gear. It tooks weeks of gearing for world first when the chinese just did it with the bare minimum

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Originally Posted by Kuwagami

what's truly impressive in the 4 days time frame is that they basically had no gear. It tooks weeks of gearing for world first when the chinese just did it with the bare minimum

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Doesn't take long to get full alexander sets, also do Thor Ex for weps. But i suspect the servers might of had transfer options.

They were 190ilvl, thats what impressive. No thordan weapons. Go do it yourself before you start talking them down, pls.

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Originally Posted by ScarletDawn

Doesn't take long to get full alexander sets, also do Thor Ex for weps. But i suspect the servers might of had transfer options.

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Chinese server doesn't have Thordan Ex and only had 2 weeks of Alexander normal mode. They have the same conditions as we had back in August when they first released alexander savage (except they have experience due to clearing it for months on JP servers. I'm talking gear wise here)

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Originally Posted by Iamsomeone

They were 190ilvl, thats what impressive. No thordan weapons. Go do it yourself before you start talking them down, pls.

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No-one's even "talking them down", but simply putting their clear into perspective. Having had months of experience clearing the fight already, they took the maximum DPS composition and underwent a flawless execution of a scripted dance. Impressive, yes, but not an indication of 'these guys are so good they learnt and cleared Savage first time in 4 days', as others are mistakenly thinking.

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Originally Posted by Kuwagami

Chinese server doesn't have Thordan Ex and only had 2 weeks of Alexander normal mode. They have the same conditions as we had back in August when they first released alexander savage (except they have experience due to clearing it for months on JP servers. I'm talking gear wise here)

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They had NM for 6 weeks before Savage, which is how they were able to hit Savage in full i190.

when doing that cheese strat i just can't get over how boring the fight looks even though its kind of impressive in 190 but its still hard to watch

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Originally Posted by ScarletDawn

The Chinese and Japanese have very much a work oriented style of culture where they always work at their best and if they lack performance they will go out and make sure they either practice or get better, this is why Korean teams in Starcraft 2 Tournaments are the best because of their culture on self improvement. It is like a law to these cultures that one improves that faults. So comparing western world to the Chinese or Japanese is stupid, because of their culture on being efficient and always seeking self improvement is much much greater then ours, we are more laid back with our self improvement we always get to a certain point and stay there, they on the other hand always seek improvement even when they are on top form.

So no surprise if they have tons of practice to go on do it so well with what they had.

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Kinda like Faker senpai from SKT on league of legends.

Wasn't this done by a group who already beat it on the JP servers so doing it again on another server really isn't hard if they done it already.

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Originally Posted by Iamsomeone

They were 190ilvl, thats what impressive. No thordan weapons. Go do it yourself before you start talking them down, pls.

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Combine that with some i210 gear pieces from their clears, they actually started on savage with a higher ilvl average than everyone else because they had more weeks of Alexander normal to get i190 pieces. Not sure about esotarics though.

I'm wondering how much good RNG they had on this run, I've only compared the first Leg of their video to one of my groups videos, and my members have an average of 15.125% crit each and these guys have 20.625. Only difference in group comp is we have BLM, they have third melee (both groups have DRG full time, but our NIN plays MNK about 50% of the time). That's a respectable crit chance for mostly 190 gears. Need to smack the XXX in my group around though, being i209 and getting out dps'd by 80 by a 190 XXX who got quarantined........

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Originally Posted by RiceisNice

Combine that with some i210 gear pieces from their clears, they actually started on savage with a higher ilvl average than everyone else because they had more weeks of Alexander normal to get i190 pieces. Not sure about esotarics though.

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Even starting at a higher ilvl they did manage to finish A4s with a lower ilvl than the original groups. Looking at their HP it's easy to tell they aren't too high over 190, and that probably means Diadem isn't available for CN servers either. I wish I knew how to use the CN lodestone at least, I'd love to look these guys up and at least tell if they had more than 1 week of esos available, or if they multi cleared A1-3 with alts. I think even world first groups were closer to i205 from multiclearing. Still, good to see what's possible with absolute mastery of your job and the encounter ...and RNG :)

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Originally Posted by HaelseMikiro

Even starting at a higher ilvl they did manage to finish A4s with a lower ilvl than the original groups. Looking at their HP it's easy to tell they aren't too high over 190, and that probably means Diadem isn't available for CN servers either. I wish I knew how to use the CN lodestone at least, I'd love to look these guys up and at least tell if they had more than 1 week of esos available, or if they multi cleared A1-3 with alts. I think even world first groups were closer to i205 from multiclearing. Still, good to see what's possible with absolute mastery of your job and the encounter ...and RNG :)

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Which can be attributed to them knowing (and being proficient in executing it, which is the biggest factor here) the (cheese) strat.

Well now that Lucrezia and Elysium's top team is gone, i guess these guys are then new world first.

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Originally Posted by Whocareswhatmynameis

Well now that Lucrezia and Elysium's top team is gone, i guess these guys are then new world first.

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You dont get world first just cause the previous groups disband xD.

I meant for new content lol

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Originally Posted by Kuwagami

what's truly impressive in the 4 days time frame is that they basically had no gear. It tooks weeks of gearing for world first when the chinese just did it with the bare minimum

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It's not about their gear, it's their experience of that raid.

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Originally Posted by Mature

The whole run and team set up is absolutely beautiful. The most impressive clear I've seen. Just faultless. Good for them it's good to see such a fantastic team. They made the run look effortless!!

This video just shows that they are in another league. Beyond pro level

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Lol /10char lol

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Originally Posted by Morbid

Lol /10char lol

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"Salt incoming better grab popcorn"

Chinese making the run look like a walk in a park it's starting to hurt peoples ego.

Some people are missing the point on this AS4 clear. The run is all about skill. Just look at the ilvl. This people are putting all the other AS4 CLEARS into shame.

This was the perfect clear. So agree to disagree

I'm waiting for it to launch in Korea.

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AS4 downed on launch day in Korea!!

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wen elysium and others were doing it they were i180ish looking at how savage got implemented 2 weeks after alexander normal release

but in china got implemented 4 weeks after alexander normal which is 1 week before they become full i190

not to mention they went through 3 melee + MCH which buffed their DPS by alot

including they are playing in JPN server and killed all the fights already so they know already the strats and the jobs and the fights

if not for the strict DPS checks im pretty sure they would have downed it day 1

so dont talk about something you have no idea about as they shaved all the time elysium and other groups took to learn mechanics and just completely focusing on passing dps checks

i cant easily go learn A4S with my static and kill it for months

then we do alts statics and down it again as lower ilvl pretty easy and will say thats our 1st clear lol

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Originally Posted by Mature

This people are putting all the other AS4 CLEARS into shame.

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no they aren't. Just like other superb runs like the 8-warrior ravana Ex don't put regular runs to shame.

However, they do display an impressive amount of skill

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Originally Posted by Mature

"Salt incoming better grab popcorn"

Chinese making the run look like a walk in a park it's starting to hurt peoples ego.

Some people are missing the point on this AS4 clear. The run is all about skill. Just look at the ilvl. This people are putting all the other AS4 CLEARS into shame.

This was the perfect clear. So agree to disagree

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I would be in awe if China had no means to use the internet and the ability to mantain nisi and clear.

It is actually quite rude to say that this puts other clears to shame; the China players skipped the entire learning process of the fight whilst never even considering the nisi strat. Teams that first went into A4S made it to Royal Pentacle just to find out they needed nisi causing them to pretty much relearn the 4th leg and from then on making the rest of the encounter a living hell for weeks.

Chinese players had MONTHS in advance to prepare for this fight. For you to say that the World 1st-3rd kills were put to shame is downright Disrespectful. World 1st and 3rd did the fight correctly which is signficantly harder than the cheese strat. While the World 2nd group invented the strat that saw many clears days after videos were released.

Also please realize that going into alex savage players were in i180 gear with very few i190pieces. A3S was practically cleared in i180gear. And iirc, the DPS requirement for A4S is lower than A3S according to elysium.

I suppose i should explain how loot drops work before you go on about how players were i205+. So 2 chest drop(2 gear pieces) per floor that contain RANDOM items. Meaning, some members in the party are lucky or unlucky. People tend to check the highest ilevel member in the party and say something like "That group cleared it with 200+ gear!" When in reality maybe 1 or 2(3 for non-duplicate luck) are even near that proclaimed ilevel. Meanwhile, the other 6 members are sitting at 193ish or even ~i190 wondering why RNGesus has forsaken them.

I'm not denying China's skill, but give credit where credit is due.

(inb4 you go over little things I may have missed like books from each floor/etc.)

And some said that A4S is impossible to do ?
Some people just have to reconize they aren't good enouth, thats all !
Me I know I can't do it !

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Originally Posted by Mature

"Salt incoming better grab popcorn"

Chinese making the run look like a walk in a park it's starting to hurt peoples ego.

Some people are missing the point on this AS4 clear. The run is all about skill. Just look at the ilvl. This people are putting all the other AS4 CLEARS into shame.

This was the perfect clear. So agree to disagree

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Putting to shame? They had prior experience on the Japanese servers, so how exactly does that put the other clears to shame? The ones that did it for the first time are much more impressive then this. Sure its 4 days on the Chinese server but your ignorant to the fact everyone keeps saying they had months of prior clears.

Its not a fresh raid completely new to the game.

goodness people, do you all have so little pride in what you achieve that you have to dissect what others do ?...they passed it in 4 days ? good for them. Does that make the fight, or that matter any fight ? easy ? no...what does it matter IF they made ? ..the important is..what YOU achieved not what THEY achieved

Take pride in what you do, have been done or achieved and recognize merits where its due without being jealous or be angry because your ego has been hurt...how silly this land can be

Man and I can't find a party that can clear A2S. I need to up my game.

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Originally Posted by MeiUshu

goodness people, do you all have so little pride in what you achieve that you have to dissect what others do ?...they passed it in 4 days ? good for them. Does that make the fight, or that matter any fight ? easy ? no...what does it matter IF they made ? ..the important is..what YOU achieved not what THEY achieved

Take pride in what you do, have been done or achieved and recognize merits where its due without being jealous or be angry because your ego has been hurt...how silly this land can be

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Its hard when others are like hey guess what your people on ur server took months, these guys took 4 days you all suck get gud kind of attitude....Does it really matter how fast someone does content? No, does it matter how well they do said content yes...the thread title is misleading and that is what bothers me.