In Regards to Lost Commendations

A lot of the times, when I queue into a Dungeon/Trial, immediately after the run, people will quit out faster than it takes to load the end, thus resulting in lost commendations. I'm not saying that I deserved those commendations, but a lot of the times, those commendations are just wasted. We have an achievement for receiving them, so how about one for giving them? Make the set goal higher than receiving, and the reward a minion or mount, like the 500 commendations received. Because it's really hard to get 3000 commendations when everyone leaves right after the run. And, more than likely, SE will make a higher commendation reward available in the foreseeable future.

You can still get commended even of you are in a load screen.

Back when getting that Gilded Magitek was a thing, it was common DF policy to swap Comms; Tank><Healer, Dps><Dps. I haven't done a lot of DF till recently with the new relic out, but I have noticed that house rule has fallen wayside.

Sidenote: Giving 5 comms weekly grants xp through the challenge log, so sorta an achievement.

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Originally Posted by Velox

You can still get commended even of you are in a load screen.

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What I was saying is that people will leave without even giving a commendation. It's really all too common, especially in Trials. They just want the DR Trials exp, and then leave.

Due to playerbase opinion and playstyle, the only way to give incentive players to actually give a hoot and use the commendation feature would be to greatly increase the benefit of giving a commendation.

Until this happens, we will still see players acting as if the commendation feature doesn't even exist.

People aren't owed commendations. If a person wants to give them, that's great. But it's not an entitlement, it's a nice perk. I will usually commend the one person in the run who stood out to me the most. But sometimes I've left without leaving one because I didn't particularly think anyone deserved one.

I make sure to ALWAYS give commendations. Most of times, not to the highest scoring player, but to the one whom company was most enjoyable. Even if, by forum standards, they would be called a 'scrub'.

When I read the caption I tho it was suggesting to add a "lost commendation button", so the player will lost a commendation if someone vote him... ^^;

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Originally Posted by Mocita

What I was saying is that people will leave without even giving a commendation. It's really all too common, especially in Trials. They just want the DR Trials exp, and then leave.

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My experience - havling slightly longish load times - is that some people will leave even before I can give them a commendation. I don't know if they give a commendation to anybody or not before they leave.

I only give comms if I'm impressed by someone....you know, to "commend" them?

I have a grading system in my head that has a number of factors as to who gets my commendation

player being female (lalafells and roe's don't apply, yes i know I'm shallow)
how playful people are with me (mind you due to another member of the community I'm less playful in dungeon)
player glamour
if players can rescue me from myself

so short version begin most of the time i give the commendation to the healers

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Originally Posted by AskaRay

I only give comms if I'm impressed by someone....you know, to "commend" them?

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What party member will you commend if a tank pulls 6-10 packs of mobs and the party live through this pull and win? Will it be Tank for proper use of his CDs, evading AoE and holding agro? Maybe it will be Heal for keeping party alive? Or it will be DD (alas only 1 of them) for doing good DPS and killing all mobs before healer run out of mana? And bear in mind that if any of them fail the entire party will die. So, which member of this imaginable party will impress you? :-)

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Originally Posted by Mocita

What I was saying is that people will leave without even giving a commendation. It's really all too common, especially in Trials. They just want the DR Trials exp, and then leave.

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This isn't true. I don't hand out commends to hand them out. I give them to people who explain fights, people who are new who do a good job, or people who do something clutch in a fight when things get hairy. Work for your commends, and you shall get them. Merely saying hi, isn't gonna get you anything from me, anybody can do that.

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Originally Posted by LinarUnders

What party member will you commend if a tank pulls 6-10 packs of mobs and the party live through this pull and win? Will it be Tank for proper use of his CDs, evading AoE and holding agro? Maybe it will be Heal for keeping party alive? Or it will be DD (alas only 1 of them) for doing good DPS and killing all mobs before healer run out of mana? And bear in mind that if any of them fail the entire party will die. So, which member of this imaginable party will impress you? :-)

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None of them. This is basic dungeoun stuff.

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Originally Posted by LinarUnders

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Depends... ran with a great group that did exactly that a few days ago. It was much fun.
I wanted to comm them all but in the end I gave it to the healer, because "I really wouldn't've wanted to be that guy". In fact for runs like this I wish we had MORE comms to give out.
The problem is assuming every run like this is great and every run has people that deserve to be comm'd. Many times, I have runs that nothing stands out, not even names or glamours. What do I do then? No comm for anyone, it's not that they are "lost" which is what the thread is implying, I just won't comm anyone.

I'm laughing at how picky some people can be about something so little like a commendation. It's not like commendations are a super rare, extra valuable thing that should only be handed out to the best players. They are a way of saying "Nice, we had a great run, and I praise my fellow player to that", it's not like a recommendation for future content, geez, people can't even see how much comms we have.

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Originally Posted by LinarUnders

What party member will you commend if a tank pulls 6-10 packs of mobs and the party live through this pull and win? Will it be Tank for proper use of his CDs, evading AoE and holding agro? Maybe it will be Heal for keeping party alive? Or it will be DD (alas only 1 of them) for doing good DPS and killing all mobs before healer run out of mana? And bear in mind that if any of them fail the entire party will die. So, which member of this imaginable party will impress you? :-)

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In this case, my 'own job etiquette' comes in. If I'm the Healer in this type of run, I'll always commend the Tank, because his job is the most difficult one in the party, at least to my understanding.

If I'm tanking or DPSing, it will be always a commend to the healer, because, well, he's the one keeping us alive. I only give DPS comms when both tank/healer are absolute jerks. Also, I don't like getting comms as DPS, as I feel like my job is too easy to be commended, especially when I'm playing Bard.

In regards to people leaving before I can give a commendation, would be nice if there was a feature that allowed you to vote for people even after they left, dunno if it's worth the effort though to implement since I'd imagine it'd be rather difficult.

Someone doing their job like they're supposed to is really not worth commending for me. Usually I'm just lazy, though.

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Originally Posted by Fevelle

In this case, my 'own job etiquette' comes in. If I'm the Healer in this type of run, I'll always commend the Tank, because his job is the most difficult one in the party, at least to my understanding.

If I'm tanking or DPSing, it will be always a commend to the healer, because, well, he's the one keeping us alive. I only give DPS comms when both tank/healer are absolute jerks. Also, I don't like getting comms as DPS, as I feel like my job is too easy to be commended, especially when I'm playing Bard.

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Considering the average numbers people pull as a DPS in dungeons, DPS seems the hardest job by far, even though all they need to do is to press a couple of buttons in the right order. Tanking is exactly the same as DPS, except you hit a cooldown to die slower instead of killing stuff faster. Healing the whole dungeon can be done with only two or three buttons when a health bar or two moves.

Or so the story goes.

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Originally Posted by Waliel

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I find the pressure to hold hate, deal decent damage and use cooldowns wisely to survive very high. Personally, I always feel anxious when tanking, because it's like everyone wants the tank to be perfect. So that's why, if I'm healing, the Tank will always be given comms.

And healing with 3 buttons is impossible, even in the Expert Dungeons. If someone says they can heal the pull just before we enter the Hive in Arboretum (5 ants, 1 turtle, 5 bees) with 3 buttons, they're lying.

The only time I give commendations is for the challenge log if I'm leveling a class. The other times I either don't commend people because I end up tanking everything as dps or healer or I have the highest dps as tank or healer, or I'm trying to avoid all the bad people in df and queue with a pre-made group and can't commend anyone anyway.

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Originally Posted by Fevelle

If I'm tanking or DPSing, it will be always a commend to the healer, because, well, he's the one keeping us alive. I only give DPS comms when both tank/healer are absolute jerks. Also, I don't like getting comms as DPS, as I feel like my job is too easy to be commended, especially when I'm playing Bard.

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I always comm good bards, because playing Bard well is very hard.
Anyone can mash buttons and run around, but actually playing well? Nah brah, good bards are rare.

Also I'm biased.

I'm with those that gives commendations because it's part of the game. I don't care if everyone did their job well, that others don't give any. We need 3000 commendations. I don't know for you, but it can take years before you get that achievement, given by.. other players that thinks they are gods and only give them if they believe the person played the way he/she wanted it. Simply amazed.

I find it sad; even if I'm done with my weekly bonus, anytime the commends pops up, I'll give one.

The only time I won't is when people are rude.

This game, some will view it as too easy, some hard.. some will think Tank/Healer is easy when you check them they only have DPS leveled.. so their point is moot to me.

This just prove: give the freedom to the players, and you end up with an overpriced Market Board lololol

Really humans always surprise me. Can't believe we are not extinct by now.

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Originally Posted by EnoraTaqa

...other players that thinks they are gods and only give them if they believe the person played the way he/she wanted it.

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I guess it's asking too much for dps classes at ilvl 209 to do more dps than a tank at 197.

My friends and I have a simple rule. If we queue in to a duty and there is one random they get all comms unless they are offensive.

I also give comms after every duty except for those times when I feel people were not trying and were just being lazy.

For example, Last time I ran Braflox (normal) the bard would stop attacking. It became clear when the mobs were taking far too long to die. I called the bard out but what was really interesting happened on the next pull. I pulled the mobs, bard was furthest away from the group, he runs in does a few attacks then starts auto attacking. All of a sudden him TP drops to zero and he is just standing there. Called him out on it but he decided to run and open a chest. Did not role on it and did not join in on attacking the next group of mobs. Got tot he boss and he decided to get locked out.

Healer although new left him alone and didn't bother to heal him at all.

I give commendations 85% of the time. The other 15% is when the player leaves before I could commend him/her.

Why rush to exit? Wave or type something, 2~4 seconds won't hurt :)

I'm a firm believe recommendations should only be received when someone did something good.

If i have a crappy party and they all sucked(Their playstyle not their gear or w/e) I will not give it away.
If i see someone doing good, or making good judgement calls he'll get my commendation.

DPS - Good dps + doing mechanics & dodge.
Healers - Keep everyone alive + dps
Tank - Keep hate, Know mechanics/mobs - extra dps - Not spinning mobs around like some fool.

Thats what i might judge people on, Will also judge on wether they are nice/friendly etc.
And yeah, Some people just wont give commendations. Honestly, i once saved Levi EX in DF, got every single com! Had the same thing happening to garuda EX after probably 60-70 minutes in, Everyone was just annoyed lot item, went off i'm assuming.
Explained the whole fight, was calling out in the fight what people should do to remind.

I mean, that just how it goes. sometimes you get em, sometimes you don't and the 300 achievement, Is a joke. Isn't it just another fat chocobo that looks really similar?

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Originally Posted by AskaRay

I only give comms if I'm impressed by someone....you know, to "commend" them?

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This is me as well. Especially now that the "Mentor System" will have a commendation requirement.

DPS that go above and beyond with above par or especially masterful rotation management get a com. Healers that manage to stance dance, keep buffs up, and keep the party alive, all while adapting to the chaos that the team causes, they get a com. A tank that never loses agro, supports and communicates with the team when necessary, and is nearly unkillable with his damage mitigation (especially DRKs) gets a com.

But half assing, being rude, insubordination/ "lone wolfing" (this game is team based after all, not single player), and/or giving new players a hard time guarantees no com. And occasionally results in no one getting a com.

If no one is exceptional but everyone is polite (aka, a silent speed run) if I do opt for a com it's to someone who stood out in battle.

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Originally Posted by Fevelle

I find the pressure to hold hate, deal decent damage and use cooldowns wisely to survive very high.

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Thus why I prefure Paladin. It's dammage is a bit lower but overall it has great survivability. Especially now that we have a viable healing spell of our own. (Even though it's MP cost is kinda high, it isn't needed often so it's a good fall back)

So if Paladin gets some dammage buffs and a few mods for MP/TP management I'll officially be able to tank with confidence again.