Add another weapon to each class

OK so I see a few people complain that there is no diversity between the jobs. Example all WHM are a like. So why not have all jobs able to equip a another weapon and with new skills giving each job two different play styles. So I could play Bard with a bpw and be dps or play as a healer bard with a flute. Here are examples or ideas.

PLD-(Mace and Shield) People want blunt damage so give it a Mace to pld, could stay as a tank or go dps.
WAR-(Great Hammer) Same as pld.
DRK-(Sythe) Everyone wants a DRK dps so give it a syth and and call it a day.
MNK-(Pole arm)Think MNK like in other RPGs using fast movements with staff like weapons.
NINJA-(Shuriken)-Think yuffie ff7.
DRG-(spear and shield) it keeps the spear but add a shield for tanking.
BRD(Flute)-Give Brd a flute and make it a healer.
MCH(wrench)-more blunt damage.
BLM(Scepter)-Bring them back and add something to it and use it in one weapon slot(crystal or something)
SMN(I donk know this is hard)
SCH(same as SMN but Measures may work)
WHM(Wands)-same as BLM give it something else and put it in one slot a Bell could be a idea.
AST(Cards)-Use the cards them selves for more dps think ACE ff type-O.

This would ruin any identity that the job has, and would also be a nightmare to implement if you are talking about jobs changing roles (at which point I'd much rather have a new job). Sorry, but this will never happen, the devs have even dropped support for 1 handed WHM and BLM wands because they don't like this.

To incorporate more diversity I would rather see ability customization, specialization or evolution. Being able to augment existing abilities to use them in a new or different way.

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Originally Posted by liljramos88

MCH(wrench)-more blunt damage.

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So let's re-design each class from the ground up? Yeah should be done real quick....>_>.

Seriously, this game needs content, not a re-skin of a class or a new weapon. We desperately need things to do, not just different ways to do the same tired old content.

1 raid every 6 months? Not cutting it
2 New dungeons every 3 months? Not cutting it
1 24 man raid every 8-10 months? Not cutting it

The reason people are burning out is because content is dwindling and its rarely unique when new content is finally released.

I'm all for more varied weapon skins. Saying a class has 'identity' from its weapon is pretty absurd. A warrior would still be a warrior if you gave them a size appropriate polearm or warhammer. The -animations- give the classes identity, and most of the animations on some classes can easily fit multiple weapons, since they're impractical fighting styles anyways.

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Originally Posted by Kabooa

I'm all for more varied weapon skins. Saying a class has 'identity' from its weapon is pretty absurd. A warrior would still be a warrior if you gave them a size appropriate polearm or warhammer. The -animations- give the classes identity, and most of the animations on some classes can easily fit multiple weapons, since they're impractical fighting styles anyways.

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Except you're actually falling into the trap of not understanding the whole concept of the Armoury System that underlies FFXIV's battle system. This is not FFXI's Job System where you have a Job and multiple types of weapons that can be equipped, usually with Jobs having varying degrees of proficiency in them. Here in FFXIV, the class/Job is the weapon - that's what the system has been about ever since day one, and thus Jobs build on that. Want to use a lance? You're a LNC/DRG. Want to use a gun? Equip MCH. Want to use a sword? That's GLA/PLD, etc etc. This is how it's been with FFXIV since the very beginning in 1.0, and how FFXIV will always be.

And before you pass judgement, players were actually asked whether to scrap the Armoury System in favour of FFXI's style Job system, or keep the Armoury System and just have Jobs piggyback on the existing classes. Players decided on the later. So for better or worse, the Armoury System and it's single weapon type per class/Job is here to stay I'm afraid.

U not really changing anything to be honest right now if we equip a staff we a white mage and when we equip a dagger we a ninja with all new different skills and traits so do the same. You have a great sword you are a drk and when you equip a sythe you still a dark but with all new different skills and traits. How many jobs can we bring to the game this could fix a few problems. For example if you really love dark but hate tanking than be a sps tank with a sythe

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Originally Posted by liljramos88

U not really changing anything to be honest right now if we equip a staff we a white mage and when we equip a dagger we a ninja with all new different skills and traits so do the same. You have a great sword you are a drk and when you equip a sythe you still a dark but with all new different skills and traits. How many jobs can we bring to the game this could fix a few problems. For example if you really love dark but hate tanking than be a sps tank with a sythe

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ok, so I want to play DRK as a DPS in a raid, what skills do I have that benefit me as a dedicated DPS without new or modified skills being implemented? The best case scenario of this kind of system is already in the game in the form of SMN/SCH, and even then it is kinda clunky and has its problems with bonus stats, and the fact that adding a new class would actually probably take slightly less work as it would be easier to implement (on top of being entirely more interesting). Either way, the devs have made it very clear that they are moving away from this kind of system, and it only exists because 1.0.

To counter your idea, I don't have a problem with diverse weapon types within the constraints of the job, and I think that would be great for glamour, for example, PLD has kite and square shields, and I would love to see more types of shield, BRD has shortbows and longbows and could see more diversity (crossbow is a large stretch due to animations, but it supports the idea), MNKs could have gloves as well as knuckledusters, and maybe more varied models for starglobes.

This would be the most counterproductive thing...every weapon taken by an existing class would lock out the potential of a future new job, and for what? Either not enough change to the existing job to warrant it, or enough change it might as well not be the same job. No, just no.

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Originally Posted by Kabooa

I'm all for more varied weapon skins. Saying a class has 'identity' from its weapon is pretty absurd. A warrior would still be a warrior if you gave them a size appropriate polearm or warhammer.

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Without a spear, a Lancer is not a Lancer anymore
Without a bow, an Archer is not an Archer anymore
Without a Sword, a Gladiator is not a Gladiator anymore (Since Gladiator litteraly means "Swordsman")

For the others...yes, the weapons is less iconic.

Remember, apart from DRK, AST or MCH, you're still gaining class XP.

I like the idea. But it would work with the armory system here. Weapon = Class; Class + Soulstone = Weapon + Soulstone = Job.
They can just make new weapon skins but...
...as more weapon skins you use for single classes/jobs you will automatically reduce the possible amount of weapon skins for new classes/jobs (no overlapping weapon skins between classes/jobs).
...some classes are fixed to a single design of weapon (Archer/Lancer) and if not all can get new skins noone should get new skins.

I think this is wasting weapons that could be used for future jobs. :B
Also, with the system you're suggesting, how would you translate some of these ideas? Like Bard turning into a healer when it has no healing skill? Or turning Dragoon into a tank when it has no defensive cooldowns other then Keen Flurry (which boosts Parry) and Marauder's Foresight? And then you have Tanks-turned-DPS that have all these defensive skills and cooldowns. Not to mention changing all the animations.

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Originally Posted by Enkidoh

Want to use a lance? You're a LNC/DRG.

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You're not really...understanding what varied skins mean.

It means a sword is a sword, but it'll look like a mace. Or an axe. Or another suitable one-handed weapon. It doesn't change Paladin to 'Not-paladin'. It's literally a weapon skin. That's it.

A lancer won't use a musket, but they could use a staff. A Machinist won't be using a bow as it's one of those classes where the animations can't line up with anything but a musket. Same with bard.

Warrior? You throw a warhammer skin on that baby and it doesn't change a damn thing. (Cough cough titan axe).

-I'm- not saying give them multiple weapon types. I'm saying you can give more varied weapon -skins-, which accomplishes the same deal (letting a paladin use a mace, for example) without changing the class at -all-. By your logic, we might as well scrap the glamour system because 'Paladins wear plate, not bikinis.'

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Originally Posted by Kabooa

By your logic, we might as well scrap the glamour system because 'Paladins wear plate, not bikinis.'

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And in my opinion a tank should wear plate, scale or chain mail, but that is offtopic.^^

I would prefer a Berserk job for the Warhammer weapon skin, or a Necromancer or Void Witcher job for the scyth weapon skin, a real Knight job or Mercenery job for the mace skin. And please no single handed weapons, it is good they died for the mages.

first off this system won't work with armory system

It will be like adding a new job. Right know we have jobs with no a base class. So example I have a bow equipped am a BRD with skills and as soon as I equip a staff and a WHM with all new skills an traits .So it would be basically the same thing. U equip a flute u still a BRD but u have all new skills and traits like(like switching a new job) u will really just be bard by name Lol there are more than enough weapons to have new jobs. But I would like a healer with a flute lol

i rather go with what dev team have going with. they system work we don't need change to make you happy. the arcanist was really problem you had chose to ether be scholar or summoner you couldn't be both. it better add new jobs, your suggest make players have chose as well it make the system more confusing for players. see summoner is full int, the scholar is full mind you can't be both.

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Originally Posted by Savagelf

see summoner is full int, the scholar is full mind you can't be both.

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Except that, at high level/ilvl, the bonus points in either INT or MND doesn't really make any difference.

And both SCH and SMN are very powerful jobs.

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Originally Posted by liljramos88

But I would like a healer with a flute lol

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All i though was Eiko from Final fantasy 9.... Dancer i could see it with an instrument based weapon...

i can already change the playstyle of my WHM a little bit by equipping him a Globe.

So after reading your proposed idea I can sum up my opinion in one word: No. A Dark Knight is a tank. It shouldn't have an entirely new set of skills because you want to DPS as that class for absolutely no reason in particular. If you want to play as a DPS job, equip that weapon. As someone else stated, the stats are distributed throughout the leveling process and are not instances depending on what you feel like doing. Change your thread's name to "Classes I want" or post in one of the many open topics and put your stupid flute healer idea in there. Your plan is to change the entire way the game is structured and muddle all of the classes into one big pile of confused roles. The dischord that would be caused by players arguing over whether a job is better as a certain role would be catastrophic, just look all ready at Tanks in strength accessories or one of the hundred topics on healer DPS. Oh and then the part where you nonchalantly add the blunt attribute in to make them rebalance like every enemy in the game. All because you want to play the flute. Get out of here with your flute.

First of all it was a fun thread and be real we all know that this will never happen. Second dont need to be rude about it last time a check this is a thread were anyone can post whatever they feel like it. Second yes I know that adding a new weapon to a job might be a bit to confusion. I do think tho that there needs to be some diversity in jobs. Would be a great idea to make me different from my fellow Astrologians.Know the question is how do they implement something like to make us different from each other. Know as for weapons yes give jobs more options. BED equips a bow so wants the differents in having it equipping a short or long bow

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Originally Posted by Judah_Brandt

put your stupid flute healer idea in there. Your plan is to change the entire way the game is structured and muddle all of the classes into one big pile of confused roles. The dischord that would be caused by players arguing over whether a job is better as a certain role would be catastrophic, just look all ready at Tanks in strength accessories or one of the hundred topics on healer DPS. Oh and then the part where you nonchalantly add the blunt attribute in to make them rebalance like every enemy in the game. All because you want to play the flute. Get out of here with your flute.

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How does adding a flute make them rebalance the enemies for blunt? you do know MNK does blunt damage... its the only class that does blunt damage... I believe he was just thinking of another way to add a variety of weapons to classes. which SE has done with WHM and BLM... however they stopped adding wands because it was too much work balancing the role and being able to obtain both the items, while staves are easier... plus all those tanks wearing STR accessories... it will change in 3.2 once they add the materia melding to gear... according to my tanking friend

and p.s. - all those weapons can show up in the game, for different Jobs... including the flute, perhaps as a healer. you dont like it, dont use it. :)

We need a Dark Mage that use two magic swords and use chain and cloth armors. A real dark mage not the boring BLM.

Summoner should use Orbs like on diablo. We need fan for monks like Age of Wushu. We need skulls for BLM. Make the black mage a Necromancer please. Also I would like a tchaco for monks. The Machinist should become the gunslinger with two pistols. We need the tanker with two shields two, like that Garlean guy. The archer needs to use two crossbows and become with yellow eyes. And Alchemist should be a dps class.

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Originally Posted by The_Greatest_Evil

Summoner should use Orbs like on diablo. We need fan for monks like Age of Wushu. We need skulls for BLM. Make the black mage a Necromancer please. Also I would like a tchaco for monks. The Machinist should become the gunslinger with two pistols. We need the tanker with two shields two, like that Garlean guy. The archer needs to use two crossbows and become with yellow eyes. And Alchemist should be a dps class.

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Chillax, brah
This is a Final Fantasy game
Let it have it's aesthetic and let those games you cited have their's.

now would it be possible to give the old one handed weapons for the mages and give them the same treatment as ninja and monk and have them in one weapon slot. For example wands can be paired with bells and use the same main hand weapon. So u would have wands and a matching bell with it. Same could be applied with scepters and give them crystals or orbs for BLM