The Warden's Paean should work on more meaningful debuffs.

Let's face it, BRD's don't even give up their shooty time to use their decent songs like foe, when are they ever going to use the warden's paean that barely works on anything?

The only way I can see this move being useful is if it worked on debuffs that actually mattered and by stopping it would allow the raid to significantly increase dps.

I'm talking about tank swap debuffs. If BRD could subvert tank swap mechanics then we could bring another dps instead of a second tank.

E.G phoenix's revelation, if warden's paean prevented the revelation debuff then Phoenix could be solo tanked, allowing the group to bring another dps, or even just allowing the OT to full time dps which would significantly increase raid damage.

Or Titan ex, if paean prevented vulnerability down then the same thing could be done there.


(I'm aware both these examples are 50 content and paean isn't available for them and that Titan can be solo tanked anyway, these are examples of the types of things in future content that bard should be able to prevent with paean).

Aren't these game changing though? That would make bard required in every party comp and MCH never played.

I don't know much about Bard or how this move stopped debuffs. But Monk's One Ilm Punch isn't much use either unless you pvp so we're right there with you.

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Originally Posted by Cabalabob

Let's face it, BRD's don't even give up their shooty time to use their decent songs like foe, when are they ever going to use the warden's paean that barely works on anything?

The only way I can see this move being useful is if it worked on debuffs that actually mattered and by stopping it would allow the raid to significantly increase dps.

E.G phoenix's revelation, if warden's paean prevented the revelation debuff then Phoenix could be solo tanked, allowing the group to bring another dps, or even just allowing the OT to full time dps which would significantly increase raid damage.

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A single job should not be able to change the dynamics of a 2/2/4 group composition. That just screams balancing issues and literally toss MCh out of the side if that ends up being more favorable (and probably will be because you're ignoring core mechanics of the fight).

A good change to paeon would be a long cooldown (say 3min) that works as a preventative debuff to those that are cleansable, a retroactive fey caress if you will. The problem with it right now is that it has a 3 second cast time for you to literally be doing a healer's job, and it's not a feasible one either because most debuff/cleanse gimmicks tend to target random players, usually without a precursor. It's effectively useless for something like A3s if it's not going to remove throttle. It can prevent throttle from being placed, but you can't predict who it's going to hit.

Outside of PvP, I use it on Warriors using Berserk and on Healers/Ranged DPS in Fractum just in case the Tank doesn't stop Voice of the Dragon. That's it. Albeit, I still really love the concept and enjoy any meaningful excuse to use it despite it being quite a niche skill. I have no problem dropping my DPS a smidge if it makes anyone else's life easier. I couldn't care less about something so insignificant unless I was raiding and trying to meet some check.

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Originally Posted by Cabalabob

Let's face it, BRD's don't even give up their shooty time to use their decent songs like foe

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Then they're bad.

WP isn't worth me getting rid of a WAR's Berserk debuff. It is, however, completely worth it for anyone casting magic for me to stop and use Foe's.

If they give it an mp cost (to balance the convenience) close but better than esuna and made it ogcd it would be perfect as is. (Maybe increasing duration to near a minute)

I mostly use it on WARs when they use Berserk. Funny thing, though, when I'm in DF farming Alexander Normal for Anima items, when I'm on BRD, I get PLDs and DRKs. When I go NIN, I get WARs, PLDs, and DRKs lol...

I really don't get why this isn't an Ogcd ability. :/ Every raid tier bard I know says the same: "If it was Ogcd it would be worth casting on the warrior during berserk, but it's totally not worth sacrificing 3 seconds of dps for it when 1 of the healers can do it just aswell"

And I agree, although I don't like it how SE keeps putting more and more pressure on healers. It makes it really though to find suitable healers for raids soon if this keeps going on.

Please just make TWP an Ogcd, with maybe a long CD on it.

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Originally Posted by Cabalabob

I'm talking about tank swap debuffs. If BRD could subvert tank swap mechanics then we could bring another dps instead of a second tank.

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Point is, the devs made those debuffs in order to enforce a 2 tanks composition. So you won't see your idea ever in the game.

Whilst I love what they were going for with the Warden's Paean, as it fits in a bit more with a traditional 'support' Bard, abilities like that just don't really work here. I agree that they should do something to it. They've mentioned before in a live letter that they were aware it wasn't very useful (or something along those lines) they don't seem to have any intention of making it more useful probably because it would break the Bard/Machinist balance. Only way I could see it working in its current form would be if it done something to raise another party member's dps enough to justify the 3 second cast. It's never going to be considered worth using outside of preventing Pacification as long as it just affects debuffs.
That said, in all honesty I'd rather they kept the 3 second cast purely because I enjoy finally having a song that's more than just pressing a button then going back to being a Ranger :rolleyes:

Unless you're meeting DPS checks then I don't see why not. I don't get the idea of people treating even casual content like they are competing with their team rather than making life more handy for them. Five seconds of not being able to use practically any useful skill as a Warrior isn't that long, but a bit boring nonetheless. Three seconds of casting a song may not add much to the overall result but mixes things up just a little and has me try and keep my eye on more things at once which is a little reminiscent of for demanding classes like DRG even in the most standard of content.