What if Sheltron was...a GCD ?

Last night, I had a nostalgic urge to look back at 1.x

Yes, I know the game was quite flawed and a chore to play, but I still have the feeling that some of its ideas were great.

Along those ideas, I remembered that, in the early days of 1.x "Attack" and "Guard" were real actions that you could launch.

And it made me thinking...since PLD is supposed to be sturdier but with a lower DPS to compensate, what if we could reliably Block incoming attacks. And for that, we could make Sheltron a GCD.

This way, you could decide when you want to block, at the cost of some damage, and thus, some enmity. With its 30s cooldown, Sheltron is already up for every (physical) tankbuster the game throws at you, so it would change much on that part. In fact, it would be designed to add more average mitigation inbetween big hits.
The interesting idea, for me, is exactly that you have to chose what you want to do with your next GCD. If you "turtle" too much, you take the risk of losing aggro, and you reduce your DPS by a fair margin. But if your party is in dire shape, you could spend some GCD to lessen the burden on your healers (And recover some TP, since Blocking could cost around 40 TP), or allowing them to spend more GCD to DPS.

As for the MP recovering effect, you could either reduce it (around one tenth of current value), of transfer it to Bulwark.

What do you think ?

Unless it gave a boatload of enmity I don't think it could be viable. Plus with how most progression groups pushing dps, PLD would be completely phased out since its damage is already lacking in comparison.

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Originally Posted by Typhoria

Unless it gave a boatload of enmity I don't think it could be viable. Plus with how most progression groups pushing dps, PLD would be completely phased out since its damage is already lacking in comparison.

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There are times when you have a wide margin on enmity and you can spend some GCD without losing your target.
And the idea behind increasing PLD defensive prowess is to allow others (mainly, healers) to deal more damage as a compensation.

But yes, it could use some tweaks on top on that, like the enmity modifiers on PLD...which is already an overlook, now that we don't spam RoH anymore.

Hmmm.

I like the idea of being able to block at will but the off gcd part of it means you lose no damage.

What it would need is a modifier proc for an attack coming up. Maybe the next shield Swipe procced by a successful Sheltron does double or even triple damage.

It would be decent damage, unspammable due to the cd on shield Swipe and emnity friendly. It may be either a small dps gain or a small loss but either way it would add depth. Now you have to know when to sacrifice a GCD for the block.

1000 potency counter block on GCD, yes please.

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Originally Posted by Carstien

I like the idea of being able to block at will but the off gcd part of it means you lose no damage.

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Being off GCD means having a cooldown, which Sheltron already has, and a short one at that.
The idea is to allow 100% uptime 100% blockrate. In the long run, it would be a huge mitigation, so the GCD part is kind of a tradeoff.

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Originally Posted by Carstien

What it would need is a modifier proc for an attack coming up. Maybe the next shield Swipe procced by a successful Sheltron does double or even triple damage.

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What could be interesting is to give an effect where after a succesful block with Sheltron, your next weapon skill ignores the damage penalty of Shield Oath (A "counter" buff).
So, by going back and forth between one Sheltron, one WS, one Sheltron, one WS, etc...you wouldn't lose that much damage.

Sounds too OP to me in terms of Deference if I could block every single attack coming my I would equip Shields with higher block strength the mitigation side would be a little too much and I would like to do more then ST, SW repeat in a fight.

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Originally Posted by Martin_Arcainess

Sounds too OP to me in terms of Deference if I could block every single attack coming my I would equip Shields with higher block strength the mitigation side would be a little too much and I would like to do more then ST, SW repeat in a fight.

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But if you use every single GCD to block, you're not attacking, you're not stunning, you're not using Flash, you're not putting the Strength debuff, etc...so basically, you''d be a burden to your party.
With this, being a good PLD would be knowing when you need to block and when you need to attack, depending of the flow of the fight or the situation of the party.

As for the "higher block strength", it would already be a thing with the current 30s Sheltron...if ilvl didn't trump almost everything.

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

Being off GCD means having a cooldown, which Sheltron already have, and a short one at that.
The idea is to allow 100% uptime 100% blockrate. In the long run, it would be a huge mitigation, so the GCD part is kind of a tradeoff.

What could be interesting is to give an effect where after a succesful block with Sheltron, your next weapon skill ignores the damage penalty of Shield Oath (A "counter" buff).
So, by going back and forth between one Sheltron, one WS, one Sheltron, one WS, etc...you wouldn't lose that much damage.

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You ignored most of my post, then put forwards an idea that essentially was the same you ignored but with a twist.

Congratulations, you're probably the most ignorant person I've ever seen on a forum, ever.

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Originally Posted by Carstien

You ignored most of my post, then put forwards an idea that essentially was the same you ignored but with a twist.

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Not quoting =/= Ignoring

I answered the oGCD part of your post...then build upon your interesting idea of adding a damage boost.
The "twist", and what, IMO, would make it more interesting, is exactly to not limit this damage boost to Shield Swipe, and to not giving it during Sword Oath, which is already an amazing damage boost.

There, I edited the post to quote you twice. Happy, now ?

It would be like Clemency. PLDs would all claim it's the best thing ever right up until they actually use it ingame, then start complaining that it takes up a GCD and makes them lose DPS.

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Originally Posted by Launched

It would be like Clemency. PLDs would all claim it's the best thing ever right up until they actually use it ingame, then start complaining that it takes up a GCD and makes them lose DPS.

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The problem of Clemency is not the GCD part, but the very long casting time and the ridiculously high mp cost.
If those two were adjusted, any PLD claiming that Clemency is garbage would better quit PLD.

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

But if you use every single GCD to block, you're not attacking, you're not stunning, you're not using Flash, you're not putting the Strength debuff, etc...so basically, you''d be a burden to your party.
With this, being a good PLD would be knowing when you need to block and when you need to attack, depending of the flow of the fight or the situation of the party.

As for the "higher block strength", it would already be a thing with the current 30s Sheltron...if ilvl didn't trump almost everything.

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Yeah which for me would make ST being on GCD kinda useless or doesn't fit in a sense.

What would you say if it worked like, you press it once, you go into shield stance, you can't move, can't rotate can't use skills but all physical damage from the front is blocked?

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

The problem of Clemency is not the GCD part, but the very long casting time and the ridiculously high mp cost.
If those two were adjusted, any PLD claiming that Clemency is garbage would better quit PLD.

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Agree, it's just the same as SS, some PLD say it's rubbish but you just got to know when and find the time to use it.

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Originally Posted by Martin_Arcainess

Yeah which for me would make ST being on GCD kinda useless or doesn't fit in a sense.

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Spamming it would be useless, but I don't see how "having it any time you actually want it" is. A chain block sure would be more useful in raid than a chain Stun, nowadays...:p

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Originally Posted by Martin_Arcainess

What would you say if it worked like, you press it once, you go into shield stance, you can't move, can't rotate can't use skills but all physical damage from the front is blocked?

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And I suppose you need to click it again to turn it off, like Cleric Stance. What recast would you give to it ?

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

Spamming it would be useless, but I don't see how "having it any time you actually want it" is. A chain block sure would be more useful in raid than a chain Stun, nowadays...:p

And I suppose you need to click it again to turn it off, like Cleric Stance. What recast would you give to it ?

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that is one thing I miss, chain stunning or using Silence to block certain incoming attacks.