Sharlayan & Poroggo

I've been FATE grinding for crystals, and by the sounds of some of these FATE stories, the Sharlayans were really a bunch of jerks to the Poroggo by just up and abandoning them.

I'm curious just how intelligent are these creatures, and is it possible that they've created societies since the city was evacuated? I've yet to explore ever nook of the story, so I may have missed something.

I'm assuming we'll be getting a beastman quest series for the Moogles, eventually. However, I'm hoping that the Poroggo get their story fleshed out a bit as well.

The Sharlayan's left it one night IIRC, they seem to have left a lot of possibly dangerous stuff behind, hell, some of the stuff in the Arbouretum could cause mayhem if it escaped.

Familiars imbued with intelligence and left behind in the Exodus seems to be a common Sharlayan theme. I thought, though I'm not positive, that various NPCs Poroggos / FATEs / quests hinted that the familiars became more feral after their masters left them behind. (at the very least, I don't believe any Poroggos outside of Matoya's speak Eorzean)

Considering a rather famous familiar in the Void Ark quest and her sentience persisting at least a couple thousand years, it's not unreasonable to assume some Sharlayan familiars might be intelligent enough to form societies after their masters' departure.

That said, you're right. Sharlayans are pretty much jerks all around and when they tucked their tails running from Garlemald they left way too many potentially dangerous things behind.

Baseless speculation
Forelands; Gnath in 3.2
Mists; Moogles in 3.3 (coincides with Churning Mists Airship Explroration)
Hinterlands; Poroggos and/or Goblins in 3.4
Azys Lla; Nodes in 3.5 (coincides with Azys Lla Airship Exploration)

The same Poroggos from FFXI? The intelligent frog monsters? I'm on the Lv57 MSQs right now.

I am curious as to why they left them? Wouldn't it be simpler to take away their sentience since they gave them it in the 1st place?

But then again that gets into a rather morally murky situation since many Poroggo (at least with Matoya) are distressed when their sentience is threatened to be taken away (albeit jokingly, but the possibility is there). So taking away that is akin to murder.

As it stands they're magically altered frogs given a form of intelligence (and self awareness), but whether or not their inherit such traits or a born regular frogs is left unsaid.

Until then, I wouldn't call them a beast tribe simply their existence is really similar to those talking magicked brooms, albeit more advanced.

I forget the lore of Poroggos in FFXI, but they were also product of experiments, too. They were in the Wings of the Goddess expansion.

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Originally Posted by myahele

I am curious as to why they left them? Wouldn't it be simpler to take away their sentience since they gave them it in the 1st place?

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If I remember right, their sentience would wane anyway. As for why they didn't bring them back? I got no clue. Maybe the Old World had no frogs so bringing them back would be making them invasive species.

Or maybe they were abandoned by order of the Forum (Specifically the Bibliothecs) with the intention of waiting for their sentience to diminish and locking the secrets of the ability to uplift animals' intellect away to avoid Garemald's attention (Since they A: had an Eorzean colony and B: Garelemald was invading primarily to exterminate the beast-like (or plant-like in the Sylphs' case) beastmen due to the Primals, and thus would be suspicious of any sentient non-human life)

I wonder if the Sharlayans took their brooms with them. I don't remember fighting any rogue brooms.

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Originally Posted by DarkDedede

I wonder if the Sharlayans took their brooms with them. I don't remember fighting any rogue brooms.

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Well its possible, being non living constructs, they lost their enchantment faster. Generally long surviving enchantments seem to either be maintained or have some form of power source like a golem's core or bound voidsent.

On the other hand perhaps the Sharlayans took non living things over living because of the ease of storage an maintenance. If the evacuation was rushed they might not have had much room and a broom stores a bit better than a 3 foot tall sentient frog.

But yes, recent lore has indicated that the Sharlayans were in many ways jerks.

Another thing I found curious from the Frog Days of Summer FATE.

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When abandoning their Eorzean settlement, the Sharlayans left more than their tomes and their tuffets, they left their poroggo familiars, who now, after waiting patiently for their masters to return home, have decided it is time to release over thirty summers of pent up rage.

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I was under the impression that the evacuation took place fifteen years ago. Does Eorzea have two summers a year, or are there some other details that I am unaware of?

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Originally Posted by DarkDedede

Another thing I found curious from the Frog Days of Summer FATE.

I was under the impression that the evacuation took place fifteen years ago. Does Eorzea have two summers a year, or are there some other details that I am unaware of?

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"When abandoning their Eorzean settlement, the Sharlayans left more than their tomes and their tuffets, they left their poroggo familiars, who now, after waiting patiently for their masters to return home, have decided it is time to release over thirty summers of pent up rage."

LOL

Thirty years IS a bit much. Ala Mhigo was conquered in 1557 6AE, 5 years later is the Battle of Silvertear Skies and the subsequent fast abandonment of Eorzean Sharlayan (1562 6AE). The original game (1.0) took place 15 years after Ala Mhigo's conquering in 1572 6AE. A Realm Reborn takes 5 years after that in what would-be 1577 or 1577 6AE. Heavensward is supposedly months (iirc) after ARR.

So yeah, fifteen years is right, and given Kan-E-Senna aging Solus zos Galvus based on the number of winters he's seen I'm doubtful they have an alien seasonal cycle (though it wouldn't be unusual otherwise given the duality of astral/umbral moons).

For reference, one one would wager if there are 2 summers a year, there are 2 winters as well--but that'd make Solus a rather young 40-something. We'd have some sort of winter-spring-summer-fall-summer-spring cycle or something to make two summers a year to one winter fit.

Maybe some of the Sharlayans were abusive towards their familiars? would exlain why they would be mad for 15 years prior to the 15-year-ago exodus.

A quick double checking FATE Text in JP, DE, and FR show that the "thirty summers" error is likely a localization mistake. Neither French nor German mention the specific number of years and as far as I can tell the Japanese is again decidedly succinct and bare bones.

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Originally Posted by Morningstar1337

Maybe some of the Sharlayans were abusive towards their familiars? would exlain why they would be mad for 15 years prior to the 15-year-ago exodus.

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Assuming it's not a mistake, it very well be possible that Poroggo became a trend in Sharlayan Colony 30 years ago and some (or most) could have been abused. One Poroggo was frightened that Matoya would take his/her sentience away if s/he messes ups. While we know that Matoya won't do that, it's always a possiblity for other masters.

Being left to fend for themselves probably doesn't help make them feel better either. Up until recently, the Hinterlands were deserted, but now that Goblins and Adventurers are there I can see them taking out their rage on them.

I really wonder why they didn't bother to take care of the entire city-state after the exodus. It might've been funny to see the Poroggos living there.

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Originally Posted by dinnertime

I really wonder why they didn't bother to take care of the entire city-state after the exodus. It might've been funny to see the Poroggos living there.

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Because the "Sharlayan" we can access is not actually Sharlayan, but a colony they started when they went to Eorzea. The actual City-state is outside Eorzea in "The Old World"

Of course Given the AST Quest's antagonist's opinion on Eorzea (and how they are in control of the Forum) I suspect that once Garlemald mad its plans known, most of the Colony immediately declared Eorzea inherently worthless because anything of value would had been razed or stolen by the Empire (or the Calamity, but its unlikely that they didn't know of that until it happened) and abandoned everything, probably hoping that the Garleans would destroy their experiments...

At least they didn't offer the colony and their resources to Garlemald, the Empire is troublesome enough with just Ala Mhigo as their only sphere of influence within Eorzea (and before you ask, Selling land to other countries is a thing)

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Originally Posted by Morningstar1337

Because the "Sharlayan" we can access is not actually Sharlayan, but a colony they started when they went to Eorzea. The actual City-state is outside Eorzea in "The Old World"

Of course Given the AST Quest's antagonist's opinion on Eorzea (and how they are in control of the Forum) I suspect that once Garlemald mad its plans known, most of the Colony immediately declared Eorzea inherently worthless because anything of value would had been razed or stolen by the Empire (or the Calamity, but its unlikely that they didn't know of that until it happened) and abandoned everything, probably hoping that the Garleans would destroy their experiments...

At least they didn't offer the colony and their resources to Garlemald, the Empire is troublesome enough with just Ala Mhigo as their only sphere of influence within Eorzea (and before you ask, Selling land to other countries is a thing)

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That I know but this Sharlayan colonly in the Hinterlands was known to be one of the leading city-states of Eorzea during its prosperous time.

I meant why didn't the Poroggo took care of the place while the Sharlayans were away, rather. It's kind of sad seeing the place get thrown away like that, but I suppose Goblins, adventurers and other creepy critters now reside there.