Fastest Way to get Unidentified Items

Have you guys ever try to work it out? Do you think doing Alexander raids and just collecting the precision stuff are faster than buying them with the Allagan Tomestones acquired from Duty Roulettes and dungeon runs?

I think someone in my static worked out that it would be faster to spam Amdapor Keep hard unsynced for poetics than a2 at least.

But Amdapor Keep Hard only has Poetics Tomestone as a reward.

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Originally Posted by OoglieBooglie

I think someone in my static worked out that it would be faster to spam Amdapor Keep hard unsynced for poetics than a2 at least.

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The rewards are basically identical, Alex Normal gives a token for 1/10th of a 680 tome item plus 30 tomes, so 98 tomes total. AK hard/WP hard/Keeper all give 100 tomes.

A good group of 8 will finish A2 faster than the fastest AK hard speed runs.

Do you get tomes when unsynced? I though it was only bonus tomes otherwise people would be able to drown in them in no time.

i'm finding it quite fast and non-boring doing a mix of duty roulette and beastmen tribe quests

But mathematically which method is the fastest if we take into account Daily Duty Roulettes and completion time. Btw, I forgot that there are no dungeon that give both Law and Poetic Tomestones. My bad.

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Originally Posted by Zavius_Firerave

But mathematically which method is the fastest if we take into account Daily Duty Roulettes and completion time. Btw, I forgot that there are no dungeon that give both Law and Poetic Tomestones. My bad.

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There is no single dungeon that you can spam for both laws and poetics, but the lvl 50 roulette will give laws and poetics if you do it as a lvl 60 job.

I love this, people going crazy for these items to be the first to get them.

Take it slow guys 'n' girls, just do your daily roulette's and daily beast tribes, an alexander or two a day too.

It all adds up quite fast. I'm about an 8th of the way so far.

Barely put any time into it, the Alexander farming method, is just stupid. Someone should really get a calculator and work it out properly..

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Originally Posted by AyelaArcenstyle

I love this, people going crazy for these items to be the first to get them.

Take it slow guys 'n' girls, just do your daily roulette's and daily beast tribes, an alexander or two a day too.

It all adds up quite fast. I'm about an 8th of the way so far.

Barely put any time into it, the Alexander farming method, is just stupid. Someone should really get a calculator and work it out properly..

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Hey, I'm with you on this, my method might be slow for some ppl but its more fun doing a mix of content

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Originally Posted by Ageofwar

Hey, I'm with you on this, my method might be slow for some ppl but its more fun doing a mix of content

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I have only been doing roulettes, hunts, beastquests, and a few alex runs here and there. Im 48/80 atm. It's adding up pretty quickly with minimal effort while still keeping it somewhat interesting not spamming the same thing over and over.

Absolute fastest way, if you have an insane amount of gil, is treasure maps.

After that, The Hunt for the sheer number of tomes you get. Seals are just a bonus, feel free to grab that sweet elite gc gear.

Do your beast tribes and roulettes daily.

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Originally Posted by Immut

Absolute fastest way, if you have an insane amount of gil, is treasure maps.

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With drop rate on maps, you'll get them just as fast spamming Alexander. I'm at 5/80+ on map drops.

I don't know about the fastest, but I prefer the Level 50 dungeon and expert dungeon roullette along with Vanu quests (because until you max out Vanu there are some days you can get 1/3 of an unidentified with them) and it's certainly more fun than running Alexander variations 800 times. Shoot me in the face if I do that. I'm doing 10 of each floor, but I certainly find the Alex grind the most boring.
I'm at about 20/80 and I'm not even trying with just the roullettes/beast tribes and 10 runs of A1.

I'm leveling my crafting so I'm not farming anything outside of my dailies.

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Originally Posted by FunkyBunch

I don't know about the fastest, but I prefer the Level 50 dungeon and expert dungeon roullette along with Vanu quests (because until you max out Vanu there are some days you can get 1/3 of an unidentified with them) and it's certainly more fun than running Alexander variations 800 times. Shoot me in the face if I do that. I'm doing 10 of each floor, but I certainly find the Alex grind the most boring.
I'm at about 20/80 and I'm not even trying with just the roullettes/beast tribes and 10 runs of A1.

I'm leveling my crafting so I'm not farming anything outside of my dailies.

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sound like you are in the non-boring crowed raither than find the most optimal crowed, and no the 2 are not the same thing

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Originally Posted by Ageofwar

sound like you are in the non-boring crowed raither than find the most optimal crowed, and no the 2 are not the same thing

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The question is though, how do people plan on getting through the ACTUAL hard part? The other items are the difficult ones. They're absurdly expensive.
By the time I can afford/make 3 of them them I'll have the 80 unidentifieds. I'll bet most of the people grinding the unidentifieds will still be stuck, when they have all 80, at the crafting portion.
Not many people have 15 million gil to throw around on the HQ mats/hand-ins.

And with the bonus law/poetics you get regularly it's pretty efficient. I'd argue at least as efficient as grinding. If you want it fastest, I'd wager that Grind+Dailies is better than Grind.

Optimal is based on how much time you can spend grinding per day. If you only have 2 hours say, Dailies+Beast Tribes+a few Alexander runs is way better than just Alexander as you can get close to 1/2 an unidentified per Daily which is about 1/3 of a an item in Alexander farm time.

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Originally Posted by Immut

Absolute fastest way, if you have an insane amount of gil, is treasure maps.

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Let me see, its been about 3 weeks since 3.15, lets just say 20 days. I do, at minimum, 2 maps a day and have gotten 3 drops so that's 3 out of about....50ish.

So...nope lol.

To me these are bonuses and frankly I could care less about the relics this time around anyway so I am putting nearly no effort into it. I'm still bitter over all my hard work and gillions spent and 6 zeta being reduced to glamour gear when we were specifically told the relics would always remain relevant. So I don't see a point of really putting any effort into them. I take the drops as they come and will do the crafted items when the cost for them plummets hard.

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Originally Posted by FunkyBunch

Not many people have 15 million gil to throw around

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While I am getting my 80 items, I'm monitoring the MB on Hyperion watching for the price of HQ items to crash to 200k per item. In the mean item mining maps to sell for 60K to 100k

Easy peasy

That's a pretty big IF lol.

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Originally Posted by FunkyBunch

That's a pretty big IF lol.

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supply and demand and the fact i do have around 15 mil to throw around from selling maps

I get the impression that the anima weapon is not worth getting.

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Originally Posted by Zavius_Firerave

I get the impression that the anima weapon is not worth getting.

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a very dangerous assumption, it maybe useless now but in a few patches time it might be best in slot

Why do you think so? What do you mean by "best in slot"?

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Originally Posted by Ageofwar

a very dangerous assumption, it maybe useless now but in a few patches time it might be best in slot

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It currently is BiS for Scholar. Even the i200 version is pretty damn nice compared to the other options, especially if you're not clearing As4.

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Originally Posted by Zavius_Firerave

Why do you think so? What do you mean by "best in

slot"?

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Well if SE does a copy and paste from the level 50 relic quests then later in the quest line

(maybe patch 3.4) we will be able to customize the secondary stats,

best in slot = best piece of gear for a given situation

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Originally Posted by Immut

Absolute fastest way, if you have an insane amount of gil, is treasure maps.

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I can agree with this. Wyvern drop Shells, and Dragon drops Ore. Using Alex runs as a base, Shells and Ore take the longest to grind out given the average DF party, so I viewed every Shell/Ore I got from a map as 60-90 minutes of Alex I didn't have to do. I was also free to do Hunts in-between maps, and they also give 10-30 Law each which helps towards more Ore/Seeds.

I recommend duoing Dragonskins with a friend and just alternating Ore drops. Dragonskins seem to have a much better droprate than Wyvern, which may be attributed to the fact that they are technically meant to be done in 8-man parties. For those interested, here are my drop rates (I did not do many Archaeoskin):

Archaeoskin: 0/10
Wyvernskin: 16/172
Dragonskin: 21/112

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Originally Posted by Ageofwar

Well if SE does a copy and paste from the level 50 relic quests then later in the quest line

(maybe patch 3.4) we will be able to customize the secondary stats,

best in slot = best piece of gear for a given situation

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I have one relic and am 42/80 on my second. I strongly agree with what others have said here, don't stick to one single method or you will go insane. I just do my roulettes each day the tomes from this add up to a few mats each day, and the beast tribes roughly translate to one mat each day.

at the end of stage 3, when you complete the quest...

one of the NPCs does indeed say something about there still being room for it to be improved further later on, so it does look like this relic will follow a similar path to the previous one, upgrading it each time. I hope they do customizable stats :)

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Originally Posted by randysquirrel

I hope it's not considered a spoiler as I don't know how to hide text, but in regard to your comment, at the end of stage 3, when you complete the quest, one of the NPCs does indeed say something about there still being room for it to be improved further later on, so it does look like this relic will follow a similar path to the previous one, upgrading it each time. I hope they do customizable stats :)

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The relic will be upgraded further in a future patch!? That is a huge spoiler.

Also to put something in spoiler popup wrap it in {HB} {/HB} tags, but use [] instead of {}

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Originally Posted by StouterTaru

The relic will be upgraded further in a future patch!? That is a huge spoiler.

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/sarcasm I hope.

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Originally Posted by randysquirrel

I have one relic and am 42/80 on my second. I strongly agree with what others have said here, don't stick to one single method or you will go insane. I just do my roulettes each day the tomes from this add up to a few mats each day, and the beast tribes roughly translate to one mat each day.

at the end of stage 3, when you complete the quest...

one of the NPCs does indeed say something about there still being room for it to be improved further later on, so it does look like this relic will follow a similar path to the previous one, upgrading it each time. I hope they do customizable stats :)

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You Sir/Madam are crazy (in a good way).

But yes, i agree the best way is do a bit of everything. I do everything bar the hunts, and am sat on 71/80 right now. If you dont just endlessly grind one thing for relic items, its not so bad and you wont burn out most liekly.

What are these "Dragonskins" and where can I get them?

A Timeworn Dragonskin Map can be acquired by gatherers from level 60 nodes as a miner or botanist, or from certain fishing spots that typically also have level 60 fish. Only one map can be acquired via gathering every 18 hours, so people that want more buy them off the market board from other players.

Do note, dragonskin maps produce groups of enemies that tend to be a bit much for a solo player to handle. The game recommends taking them on as a party of 8 players, but they can be done with 3 or so people fairly easily. Unidentifiable items are added to the loot list which anyone can roll for if more than one person is in the party when the chest is open. (Other items like crystals and basic crafting mats are randomly awarded to people in the party.) If you want to do dragonskin maps, make sure to do them in a group with people you can trust and establish ground rules for loot. The most typical arrangement I see is that the person who brought any given map gets dibs on the drops that go to the loot list.

By contrast, archaeoskin and wyvernskin maps are easily soloable.