1 star 35 durability rotation

Spent the last several hours trying to figure out if I can make a rotation that has a high HQ rate for the 1 star 35 durability mats. So far with my stats this is what I came up with. Since it was all on a theory calculator, doesn't account for things like good and excellent states or tricks of the trade usage. Looking for some feed back to see if there is anyway to help improve this formula.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B4e...ew?usp=sharing

Since I'm a form noob and no idea why the google docs link won't show, here is a picture the rotation: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B4e...ew?usp=sharing


Update:

So this was first attempt at going for only one ingenuity. I also zero'd out the starting quality listed. (FYI that is how much the hq titanium nugget provides the shown recipe).

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B4e...ew?usp=sharing

After I noticed the amount of cp I had left over, which could in theory be turned to stuff like precise touches or BT I decided to try and push more for BB.

This one was the fruits of that labor.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B4e...ew?usp=sharing

Additional information regarding rotation, at 417 CP it says you will have 20 cp left at the end, however CZ is still ticking, before final progress mark will only have 12 CP. If you want to use a precise touch will need either a ToT to pop or use a BT instead of ST in final stage.
Bare minimum Craft required to do this with CSII outside of Ingen2 is 710. For the extreme or high geared stats looks like 857 craft can one shot the progress with ingen2/brand combo.

HT does leave this susceptible to RNG which can be worked out with more CP, and improving quality chance with as many hq mats as possible. I am still curious if there are better rotations, but looking at the numbers think I'm happy with this. Again any feedback and criticism is welcome.

Intuitively, the use of two Ingenuity 2 seems unusual. Hasty Touches (HTs) I always view as just there to build stacks of Inner Quiet so I don't see a need to use Ing2 on them. Could you move your progress steps (brand of Earth etc.) to where those final HTs are and eliminate an Ing2? The CP you save will let you do more Precise/Basic touches instead of Hasty ones.

Just an off the cuff thought, I haven't analyzed it in detail.

Thanks for the info! I went back to the rotation and squeezed even more out of it, will edit main post to show tweeks. And side question if anyone can tell me how to get pics from google drive/docs to show up on these forums I would appreciate it.

Hi fellow Crafter! One of my favorite parts of Crafting is TheoryCrafting (Get it?) and finding the best rotations for any kind of stats. At first glance, it looks like your rotation has a lot going on near the finisher, which isn't a bad thing, but it leaves little room to take advantage of a Good or Excellent should they pop up. 2 big pieces of advice I'd like to give you:

1. Never leave CP left over, unless you're planning to use it for a PT should the opportunity present itself. Sometimes that leftover CP can drastically alter what is possible with the rotation, so keep trying new things until you're satisfied.

2. If you're cutting it close with a Comfort Zone, make sure you won't have more than 1 stack left by the time you get to your last CP move. With a cost of 66 CP and a potential return of 80 CP (8 per stack) you would need to use at least 9 stacks (72 CP refreshed) for it to be worth using. This relates to your rotation because on your last CP step (Byregot's) you still have 2 stacks of CZ, and the only remaining move (CS II) doesn't require CP, so anything refreshed afterwards is wasted. This means that you spent 66 CP on CZ, and by the time you're on your last CP move you've only used 8 CZ stacks and refreshed 64 CP. Using the second CZ has actually lost you 2 CP.

Keep in mind, these are only suggestions, and they barely scratch the surface on optimizing rotations, so use whatever you're most comfortable with. As a parting gift, I whipped up a rotation using your stats that I think you might like (I just use Imgur and the Direct Link function):

http://i.imgur.com/NprO7IN.png

That is a lot better than the one I was using, and checking the rotation, if I can get a ToT in there and use a PT in place of a HT then looks like I can push it to almost full quality. FC member wanted me to add more touches to my current rotation, seems that extra touch makes a difference. Will have to try it out tonight.

Your screenshot is broken FYI

Relatively new, theoretically two-star capable, crafter, completely intimidated by trying my first two-star synth. Was hoping to try some of these 1-star specialists mats to practice on the two-star non-favor mat sky-pirate synths. Still not sure I'm finding the right approach for building a rotation -- the ones on Caimine's site all show much, much higher stats that the melded-white reach.

It looks like Sollux's syggestion above should work for me, will need to use different food (control v craft) but otherwise similar stats.

Is practicing on sky-pirate type gear a reasonable thing to do before I try my OH's tomorrow (need more crafting red scrips)

Current stats: Craft 721, Control 674, CP 396. (w/o food) Basically no melds on MH/OH, cheap melds on body, otherwise penta-melded. Planning to upgrade OH this week, bodys next week, MH the following week looks like can support 5-6 classes at that rate.

So put Sollux's rotation to the test a little bit last night with the titanium alloy nuggets. Was able to do 5/6 hq ingots. Though curious if I should risk a ToT during any of the touch phases, definitely can't do it during WN, but taking it other places seems like it would screw up the SH placement.

Astrelle, I think you kind of went the recommended way, pushing craft and cp over control. Most current rotations will probably work, and Caimie said Rath's rotation works with 718 craft. But if you want to figure stuff out without wasting your mats this site is pretty amazing. http://ffxiv.lokyst.net/ Choose "The New Beta Layout" in red at the top and you can enter your stats and bonuses from the food you are eating and can figure which works best. Though keep in mind this assumes everything hits and doesn't account for RNG factors of HT, Good/Excellent/poor, or anything else that isn't a 100% hit. But it will help you iron out your rotation.

Since I'm struggling with this kind of craft even as a crafter who can craft iLvl 250 HQ gear I'm going to resurrect this thread.

First of all there's something bothering me about Sollux' screenshot. It doesn't work, since the CP cost is miscalculated. On that screenshot you've got 379+38 CP (=417 CP), but the rotation displayed below costs 433 CP. I can do it since I've got 445 CP when eating Bouilabaisse, but it still seems odd. Also I'm having an issue with ffxiv.lokyst.net. I cannot select the Titanium Alloy Ingot from the recipe list, nor can I search for it. There's just roughly 20 recipes displayed. Is the site broken or is it just me?

Also, has anyone come up with a reliable rotation, now that we have Craftsmanship/Control around 1.000 ?

At these level of stats, we do not really need a "reliable" rotation for 35 durability stuff, the things we can make with it tend to be easily done with all NQ mats.

That said ... my rotation for 35 durability stuff if I do want HQ for some reason depends upon how many CS2's it takes to complete it. For the most part, that is one CS2, but some things (Adamantite Nuggets, Aurum Regis Nuggets, things on that level) take two.

Comfort Zone, Inner Quiet, Steady Hand 2, Waste Not, Hasty x4.
1 CS2? Next move is another Hasty. 2 CS2's? Next move is a CS2.
Manipulation, Steady Hand 2, Waste Not, Hasty x4.
Steady Hand, Great Strides, Innovation, Byregot's Blessing, CS2.

Replace the Hasty Touches with Precise Touch should the Condition allow. Replace the later HT's with a Basic Touch if CP allows. If your stats are low enough that it takes a third CS2 to finish, then within the first Waste Not, either replace a POOR with CS2, or a NORMAL with CS2. I like to shoot for replacing the third HT, unless that one is Good/Excellent, in which case I replace the last HT. I have not had to make that modification in some time however.

Uhm, we're not talking about regular 35 durability crafts like aurum regis or adamantite nuggets (I do those in my sleep), but 35 durability 1 Star crafts level 60, like Pterodactyl Leather, Titanium Alloy Ingots, etc.
Tried out your rotation (with a few adjustments, since I had to use Masters Mend a few times or else durability would go 0 and below) and it broke with 1014 craftsmanship, 952 control and 414 CP (only 1 missed hasty touch).

I have to admit, I had completely forgotten about those 4 items (Cassia Block, Titanium Alloy Ingot, Pterodactyl Leather, Cloud Cloth). Those are the only starred items that are 35 Durability. And they are all refined materials for use in other stuff, specifically 1, 2, and 3 star glamour gear (where HQ is not necessary), 3 star combat gear (where HQ'ing the result would be desirable), the Carbonweave crafting/gathering sets (again, HQ desirable), and FC crafting (Cassia block, HQ not needed and probably not desired).

You say it broke? I don't have the mats (nor, given what uses these things have, the desire) to go modify my default 35 Durability rotation to suit these, so how exactly did it break? Insufficient quality (<100%), or insufficient Progress (replace more hasties with CS2)?

Well, maybe I misunderstood, but from what I've read:

Comfort Zone, Inner Quiet, Steady Hand don't cost durability.
4x hasty touch after waste not = 15 durability
1 Careful Synthesis 2 afterwards = 5 durability
Hasty Touch afterwards = -5 durability (= broke so I assume you should use Master's mend before that. then we're at 25 durability)
2x Careful Synthesis 2 = 5 durability again
Another Careful Synthesis 2? It breaks, so another Master's mend before that and we're at 25 again.
Manipulation, Steady Hand 2 and we're at 35 again. Another Waste Not and we wasted 10 durability we won't get from Manipulation since we're already maxed out.
4x Hasty Touch and we're at 15.
Steady Hand, Great Strides and Innovation don't cost durability again.
Byregot's Blessing and we're at 5. Now we can finish it if all went well.

The CP costs are astronomic though. Taking the two Master's Mends in regards we're at 553 or 557 CP costs depending on the class. I barely have 462 CP with a fully melded Ironworks gear and Boulabaisse eaten.

And the math how I came up with the high CP costs (total cp so far in brackets)(CZ X = number of Comfort Zone):
Comfort Zone 88CP (88) + Inner Quiet 18CP (106) - CZ1 -8CP (98) + Steady Hand 22CP (120) - CZ2 -8CP (112) + Waste Not 56CP (168) - CZ3 -8CP (160) + 4x Hasty Touch - CZ4, CZ5, CZ6, CZ7 -32CP (128) + Careful Synthesis II - CZ8 -8CP (120) + Master's Mend 92CP (212) - CZ9 -8CP (204) + Hasty Touch - CZ10 -8CP (196) + 2x Careful Synthesis + Master's Mend 92CP (288) + Careful Synthesis II + Manipulation 88CP (376) + Steady Hand II 25CP (401) + Waste Not 56CP (457) + 4x Hasty Touch + Steady Hand 22CP (479) + Great Strides 32 CP (511) + Innovation 18CP (529) + Byregot's Blessing 24CP (553) + Careful Synthesis II

And my stats are around 1000 Craftsmanship and around 950 control. Still, I need 5x Careful Synthesis II in total to finish it.

Ah, and I'm trying to HQ it for the Carbon Weave Set. I can HQ it with a completely different rotation but it's exhausting and not fit for macros very well like Rath's rotation for Ironworks Stuff.

Arkfrost, here's the rotation I use for 1-star 35 durability. This rotation uses 996 Craft, 955 Control, and 428 CP. for every 18 extra CP you have, you can turn a Hasty Touch into a Basic Touch.

http://i.imgur.com/oycZTod.png

EDIT: Check my post below for better rotations!

Arkfrost, use Manipulation instead of Master's Mend. It saves you 4 CP as long as you know how to use it. Basically, use it when you would a Master's Mend, then drop NOT use a Durability consuming move immediately after.

That said, if it takes you 5 CS2's to do the recipe, something does not seem right. With 995 Craftsmanship (on a non-specialist) I'm getting 144 Progress on an unbuffed CS2 on one of these 1 star recipes. That means it should only take 4 CS2's at this stat level.

Anyway, CZ, IQ, CS2, SH2, WN, HT, HT, CS2, HT will get you down to 5 Durability.
Manipulation, SH2, WN will bring you back up to 25 Durability.
HTx4 will bring you up to 35 then down to 15 Durability. CS2 will bring you down to 5 Durability.
Manipulation, SH2 will bring you back up to 15 Durability. HTx2 will maintain at 15 Durability.
GS, BB, CS2 will complete it.

I count 9 HT's, but this leaves me with less than 10 CP and I started with 430. This does not buff the BB (beyond GS/SH2) nor does it buff any of the CS2's, but at least it does not cost 494, which is what I count up magnanamousCynic's rotation to cost.

All this aside, play around with Rath's on the 2 star. I think you'll find that you do not really need a lot of HQ for the carbonweave stuff. If you can HQ Luminous Fibers with only NQ materials, then the same holds true of any other 2 star recipes. You might consider trying just an Ing2->CS2's rotation and taking the NQ, especially if you have little trouble HQ'ing other 2 star recipes.

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Originally Posted by Roth_Trailfinder

...but at least it does not cost 494, which is what I count up magnanamousCynic's rotation to cost..

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My rotation does NOT cost 494. I used http://ffxiv-beta.lokyst.net/#/simulator to make my rotation and it uses 428 CP. Are you forgetting that Comfort Zone's cost of 66 CP, if allowed to use all 10 steps, gives you back 14 CP?

Here's the picture of the rotation in my previous post, showing it can indeed be done with 428 CP (464 - 36 = 428)

http://i.imgur.com/oycZTod.png

EDIT: I looked over my rotation and was able to tweak it slightly. I was able to replace both Master's Mend with Manipulation, move Ingenuity II back slightly to fit a Hasty Touch, and remove Innovation from the rotation to save further CP. I'm not 100% sure if removing Innovation from the rotation to save more CP is a good choice if RNG doesn't favor you.

New rotation:

http://i.imgur.com/jmJ8eVs.png

It costs a base amount of 405 CP. This means with every 18 extra CP that you have, you can change a Hasty into a Precise Touch or Basic Touch, making the Rotation less RNG-intensive.

If you want a more reliable rotation that includes Innovation, then you'll want to use this one:

http://i.imgur.com/FIPt5k4.png

this rotation costs 423 CP and has the Innovation as a safety net. It also buffs the last Hasty Touch to min/max a bit.

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Originally Posted by magnanimousCynic

My rotation does NOT cost 494.

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I counted 508 CP spent. Adding in the 14 CP earned from the one CZ, that brought it down to 494. MM1 costs 92, Manip costs 88, SH2 costs 25, WN costs 56, IQ costs 18, GS costs 32, Ing2 costs 32, BB costs 24, Muscle Memory costs 6 ... CZ costs 66 but returns 80 for a net gain of 14 if all the charges are allowed to expire. HT is, of course, 0 CP.

That's not to say that what I posted was more effective at getting HQ - it likely was not - only that it was more realistic in terms of CP cost. Were you perchance calling those Tricks as a given, and thus reducing the total CP cost by 80? You cannot do that, not when figuring out how doable a rotation is CP-wise.

Edit - upon further reflection, it occurs to me that I DID make a mistake in my math. I counted the 66 CP for CZ, and then the gain of 14, but that was in error. I actually should have counted CZ as a gain of 80 that way. Which brings the 508 down to 428. I apologize for that error. Or, counted the CZ as a gain of 14 rather than a cost of 66 then a gain of 14. Either way, that was an error in calculation on my part.

Here are two more options :


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