Housing is BROKEN. There will NEVER be enough plots the way it is now.

Know why? Because as long as the system works the way it does now, there's going to be a bunch of greedy twisted A-Holes buying multiple plots and controlling the housing market. How long do you want to bet it takes before there's no ishgardian plots after they release on the higher pop servers? My guess is a few days at the most, maybe less than that. I mean, there's entire groups of people working together to do this kind of crap. You don't think it's possible they are plotting their next move right now? Maybe a few more people that deserve a house will finally get one. Yet, there is still going to be people left out in the cold in the end, AGAIN.

So as much as i hope i'm wrong and would like to be optimistic, i'm just going to call this train wreck now. It's going to get worse, not better. Not unless a new system replaces what we have now and people can only own one personal house on a server shared across all characters on the account...

With that, i bid you all good day.

One house per service account, will fix 90% of the problems. Want another house? get another sub...simples.

I managed to snatch an house on Christmas day, and I'm still here writing in agreement. What we had to go through was horrible, nobody should have to spend 14 hours straight staring at a monitor waiting for the moment an house will disappear, hoping to be faster than the other people camping for the same reason, for what is essentially a fluff feature.
What makes it worse is that I roamed Mist before and after Christmas and I saw pretty much the same thing: neglected houses, small and medium plots with barely a table and a chair in them, while there's so many people who would love to have a chance at decorating a place to call their home, but can't.

The system is flawed. The ward idea is nice, I really like having a neighborhood, but it doesn't work. If you can't make a system that can accommodate everybody either change it or don't implement it until it's ready to support the demand.

They've announced instanced housing I believe. They said they are making mansions (apartment type) with 512 rooms each. They also said they are finally releasing the often announced in room/house gardening.

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Originally Posted by crc0427

They've announced instanced housing I believe. They said they are making mansions (apartment type) with 512 rooms each. They also said they are finally releasing the often announced in room/house gardening.

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An instanced room akin to a personal room at your FC's house is of no consolation to anyone who wants their own virtual house with a virtual yard with a physical location in a virtual neighborhood. If anything, it's worse.

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Originally Posted by Wilan

The system is flawed. The ward idea is nice, I really like having a neighborhood, but it doesn't work. If you can't make a system that can accommodate everybody either change it or don't implement it until it's ready to support the demand.

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It works fine, if you a) don't either completely botch the implementation or b) get so greedy/stingy with your profits that you're unwilling to do what it takes to invest back into your project.

Turbine uses the exact same housing system as SE - districts, wards (neighborhoods), with physical houses and yards in each (30 per neighborhood). Except instead of 3 housing districts Turbine provides 4. And instead of 16 wards per district, Turbine provides 250! That's *30,000* homes compared to FFXIV's pitiful 1,440.. and Turbine's game is free-to-play, going on 7 years old now, and was dealing with *much* older server hardware.

I do agree with this thread, but I don't think we needed to start a whole new one. There is many threads about this that you can simply just hit the like button or post in them.

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Originally Posted by Mendalas

I do agree with this thread, but I don't think we needed to start a whole new one. There is many threads about this that you can simply just hit the like button or post in them.

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My thread has a slightly different point though than most of them. Most of the gripes is about the current situation but im looking far futher into 3.3, and im calling it now. It's not going to be fixed by making more plots unless they make some kind of infinite amount as players request a house, like wildstar.

Allow people to legitimately sell houses and transfer the progress they made in workshops to the next house. On my server there are many people selling houses for a 3-10 mil but the whole process of purchasing and transferring houses is plain ridiculous. Some people hold on to houses simply because they do not want to give up for free something they earned.

I have to agree with Gyson on this, he is 100% correct. Then again, everyone has legitimate complaints here, so you're all correct. SE is seemingly incompetent whenever it comes to sustaining satisfaction with the player base with any regard to housing.

Someday..... maybe its just time for a break :P

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Originally Posted by CookieMonsta

One house per service account, will fix 90% of the problems. Want another house? get another sub...simples.

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this has needed to be a thing from day one. Can't Like enough.

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How long do you want to bet it takes before there's no ishgardian plots after they release on the higher pop servers? My guess is a few days at the most, maybe less than that. I mean, there's entire groups of people working together to do this kind of crap. You don't think it's possible they are plotting their next move right now? Maybe a few more people that deserve a house will finally get one. Yet, there is still going to be people left out in the cold in the end, AGAIN.

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Unless SE makes some big changes I totally agree with you, the train wreck will continue.
Very worried SE will do nothing to stop those who already have houses from buying out more of them while some go without.

I would like to see changes to allow only one personal house per server, shared between all alts. At least while there are people who can't even get one house.

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Originally Posted by Youkulm

this has needed to be a thing from day one. Can't Like enough.

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It's too late...if you implement that you can't take houses away from people who already own more than one... meaning people allowing to keep grandfathered in multiple house accounts will be something people bitch about forever as unfair. Also, they would have to make auto sharing with all alts on the same server/account a thing before even thinking about doing it.

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It most certainly can and should still be done. It's better to have people complain that it's unfair for people to have grandfathered plots than complain that one guy can still own up to 8 on a server. At least it won't be allowed to happen any more.

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It's too late...if you implement that you can't take houses away from people who already own more than one... meaning people allowing to keep grandfathered in multiple house accounts will be something people bitch about forever as unfair. Also, they would have to make auto sharing with all alts on the same server/account a thing before even thinking about doing it.

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Just let people with multiple houses per account to select one house they will keep and rest will get demolished with full gil refunds /problem solved.

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Originally Posted by ccrocker58

It most certainly can and should still be done. It's better to have people complain that it's unfair for people to have grandfathered plots than complain that one guy can still own up to 8 on a server. At least it won't be allowed to happen any more.

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Oh I agree but it is easier said than done at this point. Then again, they added the reclamation retroactively so anything is possible with SE.

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Originally Posted by Gyson

An instanced room akin to a personal room at your FC's house is of no consolation to anyone who wants their own virtual house with a virtual yard with a physical location in a virtual neighborhood. If anything, it's worse.

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The only solution is to make it instanced, but you can instance a yard. What's wrong with instanced yards as long as other people who know you can open or join the instance?

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It's too late...if you implement that you can't take houses away from people who already own more than one... meaning people allowing to keep grandfathered in multiple house accounts will be something people bitch about forever as unfair. Also, they would have to make auto sharing with all alts on the same server/account a thing before even thinking about doing it.

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They would have every right to complain about it.. SE screwed up big-time with this.

But honestly I would rather SE make it so from now on it's one house per server/account (shared with alts), and just leave those who have multiple houses alone for now.
It's not fair, but it would stop further damage from being done.

And some people with multiple houses may lose them eventually do to quitting and reclamation, or may even sell or give extra houses away (if this is added later).

I would rather see further damage halted immediately. Let them keep their extra houses.

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Originally Posted by ccrocker58

It most certainly can and should still be done. It's better to have people complain that it's unfair for people to have grandfathered plots than complain that one guy can still own up to 8 on a server. At least it won't be allowed to happen any more.

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I'm not disagreeing with you, but it's 16 per service account, not 8.

Each of the 8 characters can currently have a FC house AND a private house. Raising 8 FCs to rank 6 would require some effort, but having seen on my own server that there are some wards that seem to be owned by the same company tag, people are clearly willing to make that effort (different actual FCs, but clearly they are all associated and you don't have to have a unique tag)

I can understand peoples views on wanting homes to be limited to one/account I have
been fortunate enough to have a home for a long time now. still would like to upgrade to a mansion, but compared to those still waiting that is meaningless to them, and rightfully so.

It is really sad that housing is so limited. Im not sure why se thinks so small/limited when it comes to giving /providing anything yet thinks to utterly huge when it comes to cost to players (cost in gil and at the cost of fun)

They need to add a way to "tos legally" sell homes , the most safe way would be to allow us to resell a home to a ward npc, for exactly what we originally paid, no more but no less.

That way ppl that leave the game will still be reclaimed naturally, but those that realize that housing isnt it all it was cracked up to be can safely, legally, sell the home BACK TO THE GAME.. Players could then buy off the npc for the original price..

Make it so that the plot doesnt appear for resale for a random number of hrs or even better, days so it would be impossible to accurately "plan" to resell, therefore taking the house gouger out of the equation.

Take the profit away from house buying/reselling and thats half the problem of availability solved right there.

Apartments are cool and for some they will be more then adequate to make them feel happy , but for many that too wont be enough (and rightfully so as well)

There is no solution other then provide enough for everyone...period.

It is bad enough we have the god awful neighborhood design, so much space wasted on seeing 1 player every other day...entire instanced zones the size of a ward to buy would have been far superior.. but meh..thats thinking too 2016... (silly me) kk back to atari days....anyway,

Unfortunately the lack of availability turns people a bit bitter towards others. We try and think of anyway possible to get a home regardless of what we have to do to anyone else O.o Thats what se wants...fight and fight among ourselves to take focus off the actual problem, the cause, the source!!

I see the problem clearly :(

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But honestly I would rather SE make it so from now on it's one house per server/account (shared with alts), and just leave those who have multiple houses alone for now.
It's not fair, but it would stop further damage from being done.

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Ultima Online had a good solution to this a long time ago. Originally a single character or account could have as many houses as they were able to buy and place. Then they changed it so that an account could only have one house (per world, iirc) but grandfathered in those players who had multiples. The solution? Tie this to the housing decay timer. Accounts with one house that was placed after the change were immune to having their house disappear as long as they maintained their subscription. Players with multiple houses could manually refresh all of them, or opt in to the primary-house immunity at the cost of becoming unable to refresh the rest of them.

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It is bad enough we have the god awful neighborhood design, so much space wasted on seeing 1 player every other day...entire instanced zones the size of a ward to buy would have been far superior.. but meh..thats thinking too 2016... (silly me) kk back to atari days....
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Haha, I remember back when I used to play Eden Eternal they would have guild towns, so coming into XIV when my FC got their very first house, I ran into and around the ward shouting my face off assuming that the entire ward and all those plots was my new home.

IMO house selling shouldn't be against the rules until they have changed the housing system.

being able to sell houses means more will become available than without selling. While it may suck to pay more for a plot in some peoples opinions i feel it would suck a lot more never seeing people sell in PF.

As long as I don't lose the house I have, I'm all for whatever changes they make to housing. More people should be able to experience the awesomeness of having their own private corner of the server.